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Well apparently it was originally meant to be Chris Martin from Coldplay, so I don't think there's any ego at play here. Also in the movie he's quickly clear that his songwriting skills can't even compare. I think they just needed a decent famous modern songwriter, and there aren't many of those around anymore, the charts is just full of absolute trash.
I had a more cynical take, that the relationship was purely platonic (like brother and sister as she stated) until he started getting famous, and then she suddenly decided she loved him romantically...
For some reason, the idea they didn't exist never crossed my mind. I just figured they never formed a band.
From a science-fiction perspective it's a really heavily flawed concept, for the exact reason you've highlighted. A change in the past like the Beatles no longer existing would create a massive butterfly effect, and everything in this new reality would be completely different. To be accurate from a sci-fi perspective he would have to have recovered from his accident as a complete stranger, an unknown who suddenly knew these amazing songs. In fact, there's a whole new version of the film in there:
In the hospital nobody knows who he is, he leaves to find his house (and his parents) occupied by strangers. About to give up hope he spots [love interest], who doesn't know him but takes pity. She gives him a place to sleep, and as they talk he spots her guitar, and plays Yesterday while she's in the bathroom. She's entranced, and he explains about the Beatles. She thinks he's crazy, but asks to hear more songs, she thinks they're incredible and arranges for a recording session. From there the film progresses largely the same, with the love story unfolding parallel to his rise to fame, only featuring the two others who remember earlier and making them a couple, who effectively become his parental figures in this new alternate reality.
Ultimately though, it's not a sci-fi movie so the logistics of that element of the film are largely unimportant. I can see it irking some people, especially sci-fi fans, but I think most people are able to ignore it and just enjoy the film for what it is.
What a strange thread. The global familiarity with literally dozens of Beatles songs is very, very hard to compare to anything or anyone else. Certainly an argument there for Elvis and probably Michael Jackson, but Led Zeppelin? Black Sabbath? Putting the popularity of their body of work on the level of the Beatles is just nonsense. Stairway to Heaven is just one song...
Apparently that was basically the plot of the original, darker script, before Richard Curtis got a hold of it. I would actually like to have seen that, it could have made a powerful statement about the state of the modern music industry. In reality he would have played Yesterday and his friends would have said "hey, that's a pretty song" and got on with their lives. There is still great music being made today, but it goes completely ignored and the charts are full of talentless hacks with an Instagram account.
Came here to say exactly this.
I liked this movie, but it's clearly not a Batman movie. The thick 70s influence throughout, homages to Bruce Lee, James Bond, blaxploitation... Batman appears as a character twice throughout the movie and I'm not sure the name Batman is said even once, referred to as simply "that costume" and called Bruce at all times.
My guess is that work was already underway on the movie, a love letter to 70s media, when someone from marketing came down from on high and told them it simply wasn't going to be profitable unless they could tie it to a big franchise name. So they replaced one of the characters with Bruce Wayne, set a chunk of it in Gotham, and turned it into a Batman movie. He wasn't even the main character in his own movie! That would be Richard Dragon, he is clearly the real protagonist.
It's sad but true that these days animations like this simply won't get made unless they can tie it to a recognised brandname or franchise, it's far too risky as a project. In a fairer world this would have just been called "Soul of the Dragon", Bruce Wayne would have been a different character, and it would have been an attempt (failed or otherwise) to start a new franchise based on Richard Dragon. (Hate that name though, doesn't sound right at all).
When the 3 snake beasts/demons come through the gate, they devour Rip, but Jade is also on the ground at that spot. It's fair to assume they devoured her body too.
They could shut one of them up by saying that the Hulk reflected in the claws was actually She-Hulk....
Ironically you should feel nothing but embarrassment looking back at this post.
Either this is bait, or the most embarrassing post I've ever seen.
Yeah I fucked up, I didn't think that through at all
Yeah I agree, and the ending was the only fault in a film which I feel was otherwise bloody brilliant.
There was a tense moment (ok there were a lot of those...) just before they emptied the car before pushing it into the lake. It was made clear they both had a gun, and for a moment they both disappeared from view. At that moment I fantasized the movie ending like this - a gunshot/flash, and then the van simply drives away, leaving the viewer clueless as to who shot who. Maybe I just have a thing for ambiguous endings, but it's an ending I would have loved!
Ahhh thanks, see that makes more sense.
Sudden influx though - did this movie get rereleased or something?
I literally cannot imagine what kind of a person it takes to go to a website, the purpose of which is the discussion of movies, create an account, and then respond to a question from 6 months ago about a movie over 40 years old with "It's only a movie."
I strongly encourage you to re-evaluate your life.
He's been sat in the attic eating crap for the last 35 years, of course he's bigger. I can't imagine ghosts lose weight through exercise (though maybe through exorcise..... thank you I'm here all week)
Not sure if this counts as a defence or not, but I got the strong impression that the implication was she was crushing on the ghost really hard, and wanted to be a ghost so she could kiss her or something. I say it's not really a defense because I'm so glad they didn't do that it would have been awful. No doubt they're going to save the 'reveal' she's non-binary transexual or whatever for the next one.
That makes some sense, but the way they were spoken about made it seem like they were some ancient legacy, and that they were the only atomics they had. Why would they move ALL of them there if that was the case? It just doesn't quite seem right.
I could be wrong, but my interpretation was that you have to strike in a particular way to get past the shields. If you imagine for example a slash across the throat, while the movement itself could be quick, if the speed at which the blade approaches the throat is slow the shield may be rendered ineffective.
However, the real point to note here is that the shields only seem useless because they are actually very effective - this is a sci-fi fantasy world set in the far future, but everyone is fighting in melee combat. Ranged attacks are effectively nullified, which is the true purpose (and strength) of the shields. While you have a shield up, you can only really be attacked or killed from extremely close range. The exception to this of course is the hunter-killers, and I am slightly confused how exactly they work, but it's fair to assume that if it was as simple as a projectile that can pierce the shields, battles would be fought by armies firing the damn things at each other!