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Although I _wish_ that Euron gets into trouble…
… I guess this could refer to the Dorthraki Sea.
»wouldn't this make us incurable pessimists?«
Now that you mention it… In a way, yes! ;-)
Given his current condition, that might well be…
I didn’t say you’re wrong.
I’m just saying that the writers _might_ have misguided us deliberately. They could later always say: »Oooh, that vision back then… that was created by the Warlocks and thus, a fake«, and that would even be plausible.
But on the other hand, it would of course be just as plausible if they’d say: »Hey, you didn’t expect Jon to end up on the Iron Throne? Why do you think we fed you that vision?«
Yes, but she had that vision at the House of the Undying which is the Warlocks’ place.
To quote Jon from last episode:
"Has it occurred to you [it] might not have been a reliable source of information?"
;-)
… waking up to see Ned Stark taking a shower in the final episode?
;-)
Well, Daenerys becoming the Mad Queen wouldn’t exactly be a [i]surprising[/i] plot twist, would it?
After all, people here in this forum (including its imdb predecessor) have been predicting this for a long time.
»It's just going to follow the stereotypical "happy ever after" model«
I still got hope that it won’t. Maybe I’m an incurable optimist.
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the bittersweet ending would have been that they all lost and LF became King something that he plotted from the beginning and the whole show is based on his plan.
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Ummm, what’s the sweet part in this?
They seemd to be quite well-informed about any situation in Westeros.
However they probably think that this talk about White Walkers is nonsense, just like Cersei did.
I don’t think that the tension was an act.
It’s just what siblings from close-knit families often do: They fight, sometimes hard, they struggle, but eventually they come to terms.
They don’t kill each other.
Of course, in this case, it was also very helpful that there’s another sibling, namely a brother who knew who’s the real bad guy here.
And btw, when Arya handed over the dagger after her "I could kill you and take your face" speech, I think it was her way of saying that Sansa can actually trust her. Arya's variation of that old "If I wanted to kill you, you’d be dead already" line.
Well, I didn’t have any problems with Wildfire being green, so I don’t mind blue wight dragon fire…
As for the holes in the wings… yeah, it’s unrealistic. But then again, there were a lot of wights who looked like they couldn’t tabke another step without crumbling to dust, yet they didn’t. So I figured, there’s some kind of magic bond that keeps them together.
Think of it as the magic equivalent to a SciFi »force field« – and if that force field covers the wings, he still can fly.
(Yeeeeees, I’m rationalizing… but honestly, things like that don’t bother me a lot. Otherwise, I could enjoy neither Fantasy nor SciFi.)
Bran _definitely_ went back and saw Littlefinger's betrayal – he cited the words that Littlefinger used back then ("I did warn you not the trust me.")
And of course he did it before the trial began, otherwise his eyes would’ve gone blank during the trial.
»The Hound will probably travel with her.«
Oh, hopefully not!
On the way to KL, they’d probably kill each other because they just can’t work out who gets to kill the mountain!
;-)
»But, she will have issue with his claim.«
Yes, I think she will.
But there are ways not to make an issue of it.
Firstly, the could marry. They’re in love anyway, and with being married, who cares who of them has the better claim?
Secondly, we can be quite sure that Jon isn’t even interested in asserting that claim. He didn’t want to be King in the North, why would want to be King on the Iron Throne?
He could simply renounce the throne, just like Aemon did.
And thirdly…
well, I’m not certain that either of them gets to sit on the Iron Throne…
Why »somehow«?
Cersei’s the queen, of course she IS in command. Jaime was just like a General who forwards her commands.
If it does, he’d turn out to be a man of little conviction. VERY little.
Talking about »building a better world« all the time, and then going: »What, my hated sister is pregnant? Fuck the better world, I’ve gotta help her!«
I mean, even Jaime wouldn’t let himself being stopped from turning away from Cersei by the fact that she’s pregnant, and he loves her AND is father to that child.
In my opinion, a twist like that is so far-fetched, that it’s nothing but REALLY bad writing.
Of course, we already had TV shows that were great in the beginning but ruined in the end by bad writing…
so who knows?
[i]Q: So as of now, the final season could air in 2018 and/or in 2019 depending on their needs?
A: Yeah. They have to write the episodes and figure out the production schedule. We’ll have a better sense of that once they get further into the writing.[/i]
Q is Entertainment Weekly, A is HBO's programming president Casey Bloys.
The full interview is here:
http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/02/game-of-thrones-prequel-final-season-interview/
Oh yes! They don’t even NEED to build ships! Didn’t think of that.
Regarding Essos: That’s a thing that I’ve thought about lately… Is Essos safe?
Surely a lot safer than Westeros, but in the long run? Once the WW have conquered all of Westeros, what would stop them to continue to Essos?
Which again brought me to the question: Has it ever been mentioned if Essos is affected by winter the same way? Or how hard the winters get in those southern places?
Is it more like »Oh, bit chilly today« or do they get snow and ice as well?
Are they called »Summer Isles« because they NEVER had winter?
And moreover…
Has it been mentioned if there were winters at all before the White Walkers were created?
Or have ALL winters been connected to the existence of the WW, even those which came when the WW weren’t awake?
Maybe the change of seasons always happened when the WW were going from deep sleep to light sleep… ;-)
»I don't see how Euron's exit could have been planned. He had no clue about the zombies«
I agree. IF they had planned in advance that Euron would storm off for some reason, if’d be a bit too convenient that Team Targaryen comes up with the perfect excuse to do so.
»Maybe she made him an offer he couldn't refuse as he was packing to leave, his own weight in gold if he ran one last errand or something.«
I agree again – that this is the only explanation I can think of that makes _a_bit_ of sense. But not really: When a guy like Euron is not only frightened at all, but frightened enough to admit it freely in front of a bunch of people, I don’t think that anyone could come up with any offer that makes him postpone his trip to a supposedly safe place. Especially given the thought gold doesn’t do you any good when you’re restricted to the Iron Islands because all of Westeros is occupied by the White Walkers… AND given the thought that those guys don’t ever pay the »gold price« but the »iron price« only.
(And btw, I said »supposedly« because I don’t think that an island is a safe place. While we know that the wights can’t swim, I’m sure they’re able to build ships under the guidance of the Night King.)
Of course, Euron might have _said_ that he’s going to fetch the Gold Company so that Cersei lets him go, but sailed for the Iron Island nonetheless… but somehow, I’ve got the feeling that won’t happen.
»Tormund is too popular to die off camera«
Yes.
But his on-camera death might be the one when he is turned from being dead to being REALLY dead.
In other words, I’m sure that we’ll see him again, but maybe only being a wight.
… as Viserys demonstrated memorably.