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My post # 418 in the thread [url]https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/ridiculous-crossovers-youd-like-to-see.268483/page-21#post-12913966[/url] at TrekBBS discusses the relationship between Gunsmoke and The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp.
There are several fictional works that create multiple crossovers:
The maverick episode "Hadley's Hunters" 25 September 1960 had several crossovers:
"Bart runs into nearly every major star on the Warner Brothers lot. He meets Will Hutchins from Sugarfoot (1957), Clint Walker from Cheyenne (1955), John Russell and Peter Brown from Lawman (1958), Ty Hardin from Bronco (1958) and Edd Byrnes from 77 Sunset Strip (1958) (under a sign at the livery stable reading 77 Cherokee Strip). There is also a scene where Bart walks into an office. He finds a satchel on the desk, and a gunbelt hanging on the wall. This was a reference to Colt .45 (1957), which had just recently been canceled."
The Star Trek novel Ishmael (1985) by Barbara Hambly has many crossovers with Here Come the Brides, Have Gun Will Travel, Doctor Who, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Bonanza, Maverick, Gunsmoke, The Rifleman, and Rawhide, etc., etc.
The Gambler Returns: The Luck of the Draw, 3 November 1991 has crossovers with Have Gun, Will Travel (1957-1963), Bat Masterson (1958-1961), the Rifleman (1958-1963), Cheyenne (1955-1963), Maverick (1957-1962), The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp (1955-1961), etc., etc.
So if one puts them all together Gunsmoke and the Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp would happen in the same fictional universe, and my post mentioned above discusses how it could happen.
Well in real life the probability of having even one battle with hostile Indians would be low, so the probability that they used up so much ammo they would have to fight half a dozen fights with sticks and stones would be very low.
Some examples:
Frankenstein (1931) Little Maria - Marilyn Harris born August 19, 1924.
End of the Trail (1932) Jimmy "Sonny" Travers - Wally Albright born Sept 3, 1925.
The Charge of the Light Brigade (1936) Prema Singh - Scotty Beckett born October 4, 1929.
Tower of London (1939) Boy King Edward - Ronald Sinclair born January 21, 1924.
Tower of London (1939) Young Prince Richard - John Herbert-Bond born March 31, 1929.
Tower of London (1939) a page - Charles Peck born April 3, 1922 or Schuyler Standish born March 3, 1927 - might also be killed.
Dodge City (1939) Harry Cole - Bobs Watson born November 6, 1930.
Rocky Mountain (1950) Jim "Buck" Wheat age 16 - Dickie Jones born February 25, 1927.
Westward the Women (1951) Tony Moroni - Guido Martufi
The Oregon Trail (1959) Johnny - John Slosser
And others I can't think of at the moment.
like what? "Loch Lomond" or "The Astral Traveler"?
I guess I liked them both, accepting "The Astral Traveler" as a goofy science fiction comedy.
Like Springfield in the Simpsons, and many other fictional locations, Stalag 13 could be anywhere that the plot of a particular episode needed it to be.
I Thought that Melinda said her husband was killed at the Battle of San Jacinto 4 years earlier, making the date about 1840, not 1843.
The fictional date of "Two Cartridges" would have to be in 1875 or else in or after 1877. If Tales of Wells Fargo happened in real history.
Gold was discovered in the Black Hills in 18754 and the gold rush there started late in 1874. And several mining camps sprang up overnight.
So "Two Cartridges", where Deadwood, South Dakota in the Black Hills is an established town, but the Sioux are generally at peace, would have to be either in 1875 or else after the end of the Great Sioux War of 1876-1877.
However, Deadwood was not founded until 1876, and so the date would have to be in or after 1877.
Note that the Sioux Indians were not US citizens but they were US subjects, and so were under the protection of US laws.
The robber stole gold in an act of highway robbery and recklessly angered Sioux Indians by stealing a pony from them to help carry the gold. The attack by Sioux warriors on the robber and Hardie was a direct result of the robber stealing the gold and then stealing the pony from the Sioux. Therefore, a strong case could be made that the robber was guilty of murdering the Sioux who were killed attacking him and Hardie.
Furthermore, by recklessly stealing a pony from a Sioux, the robber was taken actions which could have resulted in a number of Sioux going on the warpath and attacking many more Americans beside the robber and Hardee. Thus the robber would possibly be legally guilty of murdering any other Americans that might have been killed by those angry Sioux, and guilty of the federal crime of treason against the USA by starting a small scale insurrection or civil war by some Sioux warriors.
Actually "The Jeweled Gun" is dated to May, 1876, and "Passage to Fort Doom" is dated to June, 1878. But I suspect that the Maverick episodes that do have dates won't have dates agreeing with the order of production or broadcasting. Thus the fictional dates when give probably jump around rather randomly and we can't assumed that later episodes happen after earlier episodes.
I quote my post in this thread:
[url]https://moviechat.org/tt0056217/The-Man-Who-Shot-Liberty-Valance/58c707be4e1cf308b9389f20/Timeframe-in-story[/url]
A synopsis I saw says the "present" story is in 1910 - I don't know if that is accurate - and the main story happened 25 years later, and thus about 1885.
If the "present" is in 1900 25 years earlier would be 1875.
I think it was said that Stoddard was governor for two terms (8 years) and had two or three terms as senator (12 or 18 years), then was ambassador at the Court of St. James, and then Senator again. That adds up to 20 or 24 years before he became ambassador, it could easily be up to 30 years total.
There seem to be many Mexicans in the town, which indicates the State could be California (1850), Nevada (1864), Utah (1896), Colorado (1876), Arizona (1912), New Mexico (1912), or Texas (1845).
One line mentions "the Cattleman's Association north of the Picket Wire". The Purgatoire River in Colorado is often called the Picket Wire River.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatoire_River
Because of the date of admission and "the Picket Wire" the state that fits the best in real history is Colorado. But I suspect the state in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance could be "Colorarizexico" or something in the Wild West of the imagination.
Which character in The Man Who Shot liberty Valance was a Lt. Col. and what fight was he in?
They both shot at liberty valance. Unless his death was a tremendous coincidence, at least one of the bullets hit Liberty Valance.
And we can calculate that Doniphan's bullet was much more likely to hit and kill Valance. But we can't know for sure.
I'm not sure whether men 54 and 55 would have been considered very old in the real west. Older than most people around them, but not necessarily very old.
Geronimo (1828 or 1834-1909) surrendered for the last time in 1886, the year he would have turned 52 or 58 depending on his actual birth year.
General George Crook (1828-1890) led a military expedition in 1883, the year he turned 55.
Victorio (c. 1825-1880) was about 55 when he was killed while on the warpath.
Mangas Coloradas (c. 1793-1863) was wounded at the Battle of Apache Pass in 1862, aged about 69.
Washakie (1798/1810-1900) defeated Crow chief Big Robber in a duel in 1866 and participated in a military expedition in 1876 aged 66 to 78.
Nana (1800?-1896) surrendered for the last time in 1886 when he was about 86.
A synopsis I saw says the "present" story is in 1910 - I don't know if that is accurate - and the main story happened 25 years later, and thus about 1885.
If the "present" is in 1900 25 years earlier would be 1875.
I think it was said that Stoddard was governor for two terms (8 years) and had two or three terms as senator (12 or 18 years), then was ambassador at the Court of St. James, and then Senator again. That adds up to 20 or 24 years before he became ambassador, it could easily be up to 30 years total.
There seem to be many Mexicans in the town, which indicates the State could be California (1850), Nevada (1864), Utah (1896), Colorado (1876), Arizona (1912), New Mexico (1912), or Texas (1845).
One line mentions "the Cattleman's Association north of the Picket Wire". The Purgatoire River in Colorado is often called the Picket Wire River.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatoire_River[/url]
Because of the date of admission and "the Picket Wire" the state that fits the best in real history is Colorado. But I suspect The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance could be "Colorarizexico" or something in the Wild West of the imagination.
I may point out that according to my post "How Large is the Union?" it is quite possible that the Union occupies a sphere with a radius of between 250 and 1,000 light years. Thus it is quite possible that the volume of the galactic disc is at least 10,000 times larger than the volume of the Union, and thus should contain at least 10,000 times as many space travelling societies as the Union.
But it turns out that the Kraylon fleet was not large enough to defeat a portion of the total Union fleet plus a portion of the total Krill fleet.
The Kraylon should have built a space fleet large enough to have a very good probability of defeating the total combined fleets of the Union, and the Krill, and the total combined fleets of every other space travelling realm and society they knew about. Because their plan should have allowed for the worst possible eventuality, their enemies knowing about their plans and combining to ambush their fleet at Earth.
And even if the Kraylon did build such a large fleet they would have been doomed to defeat eventually as fleeing space ships full of fugitives and distress messages sent by worlds they were exterminating spread to every corner of the galaxy and all biological beings united to defeat the Kraylon. Eventually the Kraylon would face not the 3,000 ships of the Union but 3,000,000 ships that would overwhelm them with numbers.
The Kraylon plan was very illogical.
Also, many astronomical objects look really great in photographs which are made in long exposures, but look totally different when seen with the human eye looking at them through telescopes. The exposures in some astronomical photographs might be literally tens of thousands of times longer than than the time it takes for the human eye to see things, so naturally astronomical objects look tens of thousands of times as bright in those long exposure photographs.
The Gambler Returns, the luck of the Draw has an official date of 1906. Presumably the San Francisco scenes happen before the earthquake.
So Mark would be about 36 in The Gambler Returns, the luck of the Draw. I believe that Hollywood didn't become a film making center for another decade after 1906, so that would be an anachronism.
But if you look at threads about anachronisms in The Rifleman or other western shows you will see that predating Hollywood by a decade or more isn't a very big anachronism compared to many others.
I wonder why some posters don't like Mark. When I was a kid watching the show Mark seemed rather ordinary and average but a lot nicer than many of the boys I knew.
In Forty Guns Barbara Stanwick is a rancher with 40 hired gunmen to help her control the town.
In West Texas in Duel in the Sun (1946) there is a scene where a rancher calls hundreds of his cowboys to prevent a railroad from crossing his land and what looks like a big part of a cavalry regiment arrives to protect the railroad men.
The ranch, Spanish Bit, in West Texas in Duel in the Sun (1946) is described as a million acres. That equals about 1,562.5 square miles or 4,046.85 square kilometers.
I have read that the Pondorosa had an area of 1,000 square miles, or 2,589.99 square kilometers. Thus the Pondorosa is about 0.64 times the size of Spanish Bit and Ben Cartwright should have had about 0.64 of the hundreds of employees that Senator McCanles had at Spanish Bit.
When the Comstock Lode was discovered in 1859 a silver rush of prospectors flooded the area around the Pondorosa. The prospectors tended to recognize only miner's law, in which the only claim to land the miner's considered valid was a mineral rights claim filed by a prospector. In the eyes of prospectors it didn't matter how much a legal claim Indians, Mexicans, or Americans had to land if a prospector found valuable minerals on their land and staked a claim to it.
So it seems to me that that the only way Ben could have prevented prospectors from swarming into the Pondorosa like locusts and seizing control of it would be to have tens or hundreds of employees there who could fight off the prospectors.
During the US Civil war the standard size of of a company was about 100 men, and a new unit at regulation strength would quickly lose men for various reasons. A 19th century US army company typically had about 40 to 60 men available for duty.
This makes the discrepancy between the normal command of a captain and the number of soldiers shown even greater. I don't remember how many soldiers were seen at the bridge but they did seem like a lot more than 40 to 60 men.
This trivia at IMDB says that there could have been many hundreds of extras portraying Union soldiers in those scenes:
"Shot in the Spanish desert, with 1,500 Spanish soldiers as extras."
[url]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060196/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv[/url]
I saw "Red Ransom" again 01-28-2019 & didn't hear any mention of Chickasaw Wells or evidence it was in former Chickasaw territory in Oklahoma and thus after the Oklahoma Land Rushes. Possibly the synopsis in IMDB was wrong about Chickasaw Wells.
I thought that I heard Hardie say that they would take their prisoner to Tuscon, which is Tuscon, Arizona. And they mentioned taking the morning stage to Prescott, which is Prescott, Arizona.
So the Apaches should have been members of some Western Apache group living in Arizona. Since these Apaches have been at peace for a while the episode should be years after the Fetterman Massacre in 1866.
Separate wars with the different western Apache groups started in the early 1860s and were inherited by General James Carleton in 1862. Carleton launched a partially successful campaign against the western Apaches in 1964-65 that failed to end the war, allegedly ordering his troops to exterminate the western Apaches. Certainly J.P. Dunn, in Massacres of the Mountains, 1886, claimed that the US government tried extermination of the Apaches for some time. It has been claimed that the western Apaches thought the Americans wanted to exterminate them but didn't have the power to.
In 1871-72 the US government sought peace with the western Apaches. Envoys Vincent Collyer and General O.O. Howard negotiated treaties and established reservations for all the western Apaches except for the Tontos, who were crushed by General Crook in 1872-73. Then the Apaches realized that the Americas did have the power to exterminate them but didn't want to.
So the fictional date of "Red Ransom" might be either sometime in spring 1873-June 1876, between peace with the western Apaches in Arizona and Custer's Last Stand, or else sometime after 1886 when the last of the occasional outbreaks by small Apache groups ended. Or else in some era of a totally fictional wild west.
Note that episode 23 of season three, "Lolo Montez", 16 February 1959, should happens a few years before Lola Montez died in 1861 and also after railroads first reached Arizona in 1879. I can't help wondering if the writer got it backwards and thought it should happen after 1861 and before 1879 instead of before 1861 and after 1879.
The thirteenth episode of the fifth season, "Escort to Santa Fe", 19 December 1960, happens on April 14 & 15, 1865.
"John Wesley Hardin", 30 September 1959, the fourth episode of the second season, should happen sometime between January 27, 1873 and February 26, 1873.
"Two Cartridges", 16 September 1957, the second episode of the second season, should be after Deadwood was founded in early 1876, and also while there is peace with the Sioux Indians, and so after about September, 1877.
The Break", 19 May 1958, the thirty seventh episode of the second season, happens just after Jesse James is shot, which was on April 3, 1882 in real life, so it might also happen in April 1882 in the fictional universe of Tales of Wells Fargo.
Belle Starr, 9 September 1957, the first episode of the second season, has Jim Hardee arrest Belle Starr and take her to "Hanging Judge" Isaac Parker who sentences her to prison. Actually Belle Starr was arrested by Deputy US Marshall Bass Reeves in 1883, and sentenced to prison by Judge Parker, which strongly suggests that that "Belle Starr" should happen in 1883. Hardee kills outlaw Blue Duck in the episode, even though Blue Duck died of natural causes in 1895.
"The White Indian" involves Tommy Macrea, who was 4 years old when sent by train to Dodge City and then by stagecoach to meet his parents, but never made it, and was raised by Indians for 15 years. Since the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Railway reached Dodge City in September, 1872, "The White Indian" should happen in or after September, 1887 - possibly many years after 1887.
"The Sooners", 3 March 1858, begins shortly before the Oklahoma Land Rush on April 22, 1889, as Hardie says in his opening narration. "Sooners" were criminals who sneaked into the land rush zone ahead of time, thus literally "jumping the gun", and thus had an unfair advantage to stake their claims to be best land ahead of everyone else.
Later in the episode a calendar showing the month of December is glimpsed, so "The Sooners" could last from April to December of 1889.
In any case "The Sooners" begins 24 years after "Escort to Santa Fe", making it amazing how little Jim Hardie seemed to age between the two episodes.
Gandalf in The Hobbit might have been inspired more or less by Merlin, but when Tolkien wrote LOTR he put LOTR in the fictional universe of The Silmarilllion and other works about the First Age of Middle-earth. You might be interested in what I wrote about the wizards in LOTR in my posts in this thread:
[url]https://moviechat.org/tt0167261/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Two-Towers/58c7f02e2214d80b5cea9e1b/How-much-did-Gandalf-level-up?reply=5c3a6fd37127a7299b6f2f20[/url]
My posts show that Gandalf and the other wizards in LOTR are not mortal men who study magic, but members of a totally different species higher even than Elves, and disguised as humans.
Excalibur is not the first magic sword in ancient and medieval literature, and Aragon's sword was not the first special and perhaps magical sword that Tolkien wrote about.