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Who Did You Dislike More--Marla or Roman?


Roman was a mob boss and murderer...and yet...somehow Marla seemed even more vicious.

Excellent film that exposes the dangers of the whole guardianship system. Between this and Gone Girl, Rosamund Pike is the new villainess queen. Kudos as well to Peter Dinklage. You could sense Roman's barely-coiled rage in nearly every scene.

Food in Films: Those eclairs looked amazing. Nice touch at the end when he had the bakery box for his reunion with his mom.

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Marla by far. I hated her. Using her sex to justify being evil and her malicious deeds on innocent people.

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I feel like she was worse because she preyed on people who were more vulnerable. And then, when their savings had been bled dry, they were probably dumped on the street. Roman was dangerous but we get the impression that he deals with dangerous people (there's a reference to drug mules) whereas Marla captures the weak and makes them her prisoners. Even worse, she cuts them off from their families. At the end, you can see just how broken the man is who never got to see his mother before she died.

Credit to Pike's performance that she makes viewers hate Marla so much. Last time I remember disliking a character so much was Tim Roth in Rob Roy.

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Yes, of course Marla is worse, but not because of her sex, you misogynist

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Right?! What the hell does her sex have to do with it?

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You sound like an sjw who uses a persons sex or ethnicity to justify evil.

If I'm a misogynist then by your sjw standards, you are worse for being both a misogynist and a racist you bigot.

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Is it really only about the dangers of the guardianship system? Or is it also about alas so strong female business leaders? Imagine, this disgusting bitch - although permanently breaking the law - was only stopped with a bullit. And the way she dies is meant to make her a potential icon and martyr of feminism. I could not possibly eat as much as I would like to throw up...

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There's plenty of men who break the law who have never been stopped. Just think about all the lives ruined during the financial crisis that started in 2008. Most of the big players were men and only a few were ever arrested. In fact, most of them were rewarded for their financial crimes in the form of bailouts and bonuses. Marla was small potatoes compared to those guys.

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I did not want to whitewash male crimes. But using them now to apologize female crimes is, well, cheap...

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Not trying to excuse anything. Just pointing out the scale of the crimes. Marla's crimes affected a relatively small number of people whereas the financial crimes mentioned affected millions. In the end, bad people are bad people regardless of whether it's a man or a woman. Marla deserved her fate, but so do many others who are never brought to justice.

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Why so much misogyny and male fragility with female lead movies? Either if the woman is good or evil

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I have got no problems with female lead movies. But this sort of crime covered by the most ridiculous laws was disgusting. Only 5 mins in and I wanted to kill her.

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That's the hook of the movie.

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I think Marla was worse.

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Oooo I think that they want you to hate Marla more because they really spent time on her character showing just how little she cared about the elderly victims. In Roman’s profession, working with the mob, I’m sure that there were a lot of innocent victims too but we didn’t get to see them so we couldn’t feel empathy for them like we did with Marla’s “prey”.

There are a lot of people on this website that hate powerful women . . .or maybe just women in general so it’s interesting to see how much she is hated on the aspect that she had power over men, that’s fascinating to me.

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Strong women (or men) shouldn't bother people. However, amoral women (or men) should. Marla was strong, but she was also amoral. She justified this to herself, but, in the end, she reaped what she sowed...she took away people's lives and someone finally took away hers.

I mean everyone loves Ripley from Aliens, right? She's a badass but she's also a decent person.

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I totally agree, she was incredibly corrupt and amoral. This movie was interesting to me purely on a villain vrs. Villain context. I’m glad that she got the ending she deserved and that she was ended by a sympathetic character.

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You're absolutely right. The villain vs. villain aspect is what makes it such a compelling story. A similar dynamic develops on the show "Good Girls" between the main character (Beth) and a mob boss (Rio).

To your earlier point, there seem to be some posters on here who are especially incensed because Marla's a woman. Don't get that. Bad people are bad people regardless of whether it's a man or a woman.

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idiot, and still her main prey was a ... woman, not a man. she exerted power over a woman, and her victims being elders it doesn't really matter what sex they have, they are weak anyway.

the problem with her is not that she is a strong woman but that she is a predatory individual, even worse, preying on the weak.

so sick pf woke idiots.

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Why would you think I was talking about YOU if you don't hate women?

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Because you label anyone that doesn't agree with you as women haters.

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I do?

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You didn't realise?

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Marla until it was revealed that Jennifer didn’t work, scrimp and save for her perfect house. It was all bought with the blood of poor women drug mules.

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You make a fair point about Jennifer living off of ill-gotten money. For me, Marla's still the bigger villain because she was kidnapping entirely innocent people (save Jennifer) from their homes. In the case of the drug mules, there's a likelihood they were already involved with criminal types (we can't be certain, of course), but it's unlikely they were kidnapping women working in supermarkets and forcing them into the drug trade.

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Have you seen the film “Maria Full of Grace” (2004)? It’s about poor, naive young women recruited to be drug mules.

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Haven't seen that one. So you're of the opinion that Jennifer is the film's most morally-reprehensible character? Think you're in the minority, but, hey, different views are what make discussion sites interesting.

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No, I didn’t go that far about Jennifer. Just had a little less sympathy for her character after getting her real backstory.

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Understood. I think what makes Marla's grift so galling is that she does it all under the protection of the law. In a similar way, I think most people are more incensed by Wall St. types who ruin the lives of millions (totally protected by the law) than they are by criminals who rob banks (and are always relentlessly pursued).

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Also mobs are often romanticised. They live a hard life, and usually got up top with hard work. They're amoral but usually (also in this movie) depicted as family men that love their moms. The Yakuza is almost always depicted as ruthless but honorable in movies.

While Marla doesn't even care if they kill her mom after they kill her. So in this case, the movie really didn't romanticise any facets of her character. I think this is why most people would say Marla is more despicable.

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Indeed. Makes you wonder what happened between Marla and her mom for her to react so coldly.

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They were both equally shitty human beings, so it's a tie for me.

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Another possible title for this one would've been: Everyone Is Terrible.

Excellent film, though. Had me hooked from the start.

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Marla

You know Mobsters do shady things in the criminal underworld but someone who abuses old people like Marla is pure scum who deserves death

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Mobsters in real life also abuse old people. It's just in movies they are often romanticised.

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I don't think there's a real level of dislike for them 2. They're both S-tier shit humans.

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