Will it do good in Asian countries?
Whats the perception of this movie in Asian countries?
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shareI think we can see even now how much hype there is around it
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MovieChat Forums > Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2021) Discussion > Will it do good in Asian countries?
From what I've heard online, the Chinese already hate it and it's not out in theaters yet! They dislike the fact that it shows China the way a Westerner would think China was like, not necessarily how the Chinese themselves view it. They also think the actor in the title role is ugly. He doesn't fit their idea of "handsome" from a Chinese POV.
shareI see. Well the fact that it might show a stereotyped idea of China it will probably be revealed to be the case. And yeah,compared to other asian actors,Simu Liu is not really handsome at all. I guess they wanted someone to look average for the role,i dont know why. And usually asian/american actors and actresses are less handsome/beautiful than asian actors and actresses.
shareSimu Liu was a model in Canada and on the show Kim's Convenience, his character constantly has women coming on to him. Different countries have different standards.
As for why China would hate this movie before seeing it, I'm not sure why. Wuxia martial arts films are still prevalent in Asia and Shang-Chi incorporates a lot of those sort of movies. I guess since it's done in a more Western/superhero-y style, they don't like it as much.
It's probably the CCP just bitching.
shareon the show Kim's Convenience, his character constantly has women coming on to him. Different countries have different standards.
That was scripted. The women were coming onto him because they were actresses and paid to come onto him, not because they did it of their own free will. Just because you're a model, or a tv show has your character being a babe magnet, doesn't mean you're actually seen as attractive or a babe magnet by real people. share
I found it believable that a large number of women were flocking to him and so did the rest of the audience. By the standards of North Americans, he's a handsome guy.
shareThis North American has seen far handsomer men than he, and met guys that are way less pissy.
The fact that you found it believable just means they were good actors and the script was written well, not because it's realistic. I just told you that the standards a script tells do not reflect real life. In fact, the standards show biz has about who's attractive and who isn't are actually very distorted compared to the real world. You can't base real human behavior on what you see on tv. They have become so disconnected from the real world that they don't even understand their original audience anymore.
Small wonder they get all pissy when the garbage they peddle doesn't get the audience reaction they want, and then they blame the customers instead of themselves for their shortcomings in making entertainment.
Well, I mean, the guy had a career as a model so apparently some people found him attractive.
Beyond that, you seem pissed off about things that haven’t happened.
I'm annoyed that you're so damned stupid you can't tell tv from reality. Only an idiot thinks that what they see on tv reflects real life. Not only that, you are aggressively stupid about it too, and refuse to admit that I'm correct on this matter. There's a reason I don't watch mainstream tv anymore, so that I don't have my head full of crap like you do. Good day, Ass Pucker.
shareOk, I get it now. You ran into this guy somewhere and you wanted some deep dicking but he turned you down because you're just kinda batshit. And not even the good kind of batshit like the sort of girl who'd sneak into a guy's house and start sucking him in the middle of the night. No, you'd just kill his dog and spell your name in the dog's entrails or something and no one wants to fuck that level of crazy. Anyway, now, you just hate the guy for having standards. Don't worry, though. I'm sure your cousin is still willing to throw you a bone if you give him some Jack Daniels and a paper bag.
shareWhy you be so mean??? Especially when you missed the point of what was said.
They were saying that the man has worked as a model, not a character who was a model on a TV show. You really should apologize.
You should try to calm yourself down.
shareOut of curiosity, are there any Asian men that you find attractive?
shareAs for why China would hate this movie before seeing it, I'm not sure why. Wuxia martial arts films are still prevalent in Asia and Shang-Chi incorporates a lot of those sort of movies. I guess since it's done in a more Western/superhero-y style, they don't like it as much.
LOL this is FAR from the Wuxia-style found in good Chinese martial arts films. They've been inundated with amazing choreography featuring some top talent over the last decade, especially Donnie Yen, Nicholas Tse, and Wu Jing to name a few, and NOTHING in Shang-Chi comes close to what those three have been doing. Here's a small sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M35_HaVOZUs
Nothing in the Shang-Chi trailer comes even remotely close to that. Much less compete with films like The Raid, Flashpoint, the Ip Man films, or a dozen other recent flicks.
If I'm not excited about anything I've seen from SHang-Chi, I can't imagine the average person living in China being excited about it.
Simu Liu was a model in Canada and on the show Kim's Convenience, his character constantly has women coming on to him. Different countries have different standards.
Yeesh, really? This guy, as I mentioned elsewhere, is not handsome at all. There are about a dozen other Asian guys they could have gone with that looked good on screen and at least had some kind of martial arts capabilities, but this guy checks off neither box. share
I'm familiar with Asian martial arts movies. My point wasn't that the fights were on par with those movies but that there's no reason for China to hate a movie for showing the Asian martial arts "stereotype" when they still make movies in that genre.
sharethere's no reason for China to hate a movie for showing the Asian martial arts "stereotype" when they still make movies in that genre.
They don't hate on those films for that reason, though, they hate on them for not being a good representation of that stereotype, if that makes sense.
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It doesn’t, really. Asia has shitty martial arts movies so even if this one is too, it shouldn’t matter.
shareIt doesn’t, really. Asia has shitty martial arts movies so even if this one is too, it shouldn’t matter.
But their crappy martial arts films don't do well over there. Look at their top blockbusters and what movies they like. Yeah, they like a lot of over-the-top stuff, but it still needs good choreography, or likable characters, or a great story to carry it:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2020/?area=CN
How many bad martial arts flicks made the cut on that list?
Now we don't know what the story of Shang-Chi will be like, but nothing they've shown in the trailers looks interesting. We DO know a little of what the choreography is like, and it's not great. We also see the main characters, and none of them are attractive, nor instantly charismatic like some of China's more popular superstars.
So yeah, Shang-Chi represents the worst of the stereotypes, which is precisely why they don't care about it like they don't care about a lot of crappy martial arts films. share
When they make shitty MA films, they don’t care. They only care now because someone else is making it…maybe. It just seems like a lot of whining over nothing.
shareThey dislike the fact that it shows China the way a Westerner would think China was like, not necessarily how the Chinese themselves view it.
I don't think that's necessarily the problem. Mulan (1998) is a movie which is highly loved in China, and however it embraces the westerner archetypical view of China¹.
In my opinion, the problem is that this movie, or the recent Mulan (2020), they try to play the "authentic" card, as part of their agenda. The old Mulan movie was filled with archetypes, but it didn't hide it and it didn't pretend to be authentic. The problem appears when you're pretending to be "authentic" while you're completely out of touch with the culture you're claiming to represent.
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¹ I highly recommend this video about the topic, from a very good HK youtube channel about cinema:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZccG-wtt5FA
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I still find it hilarious just how out-of-touch Hollyweird is if they think their twisted idea of catering to China will make the chosen audience like a film or not. I don't know who was in charge of making the live-action Mulan, but I doubt if they really consulted any Chinese historical experts at all. They just did whatever the F they wanted and hoped for the best, like lazy people tend to do when thinking and making an effort is too hard for them. It was even worse when they tried applying superhero tropes to this story, and they ended up insulting the Chinese people over the interpretation of "chi" and how women who used magic were interpreted in the story. In fact, if you look closely at that monstrosity of a film, it reads like a really bad, cliched, European medieval fantasy film with Chinese elements grafted over it.
shareYeah, it's ridiculous.
Imagine China made a movie about some American hero while filling it with Chinese values. Would such a movie be a success in US? I don't think so.
You want to win global worldwide box office? Make good pop-corn movies with zero agenda and minimal local references. That's what Hollywood used to do, and that's why its movies used to succeed everywhere.
Good first point. Weak second point.
The reality is people loved to see Hollywood movies despite the incorrect depictions because people were less sensitive about it, didn't give much thought to it beyond laughing within themselves about the stupid depictions and moved on. There was no social media to sway or give you your opinions and people generally were more forgiving and tolerant so the cancel culture or rush to judgement was not there.
e.g. Indiana Jones misrepresented China and India drastically in Temple of Doom. Lol - Chilled monkey brains.
Similarly Indiana Jones also misrepresented Egyptians in Raiders of the Lost Ark. But everyone just had fun with it. No one cared Indians or Chinese were not depicted absolutely accurately as it was "fun fiction"
But like the movie, everyone understood it was just a movie and moved on. We have extremes on both sides who have ruined movies for all.
Actually Mulan 1998 was viewed favorably in China I think only because in a sense it was an American movie about a Chinese story, it is like a cultural recognition. But Chinese audience in general did not like it. Because the Mulan in it was considered ugly in Asian view.
I think that was the reason they used a Chinese actress in the 2020 movie. The movie did OK but not great in China I think because, as your guys already pointed out, it's story is not really Chinese in any sense. It is an American movie with an oriental theme. I think this movie is probably going to be the same.
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shareLet's just hope they don't pull a friggin' Mulan again. Hollywood trying to understand Asian cinema is a joke at best. Usually Chinese cinema have average ratings on imdb with a few good ones here or there for the most part but it seems Hollywood themselves are devolving into average rating as well with the constant churning out of mediocre shows.
shareWhats the perception of this movie in Asian countries?
As I've said elsewhere... this movie is basically Hollywood attempting to pander to Asian countries (particularly China) by selling them something they themselves invented and which they have been doing for the better part of a century at this point, without putting up even a pretense of trying to understand what makes the entire genre tick and what its audiences like and expect from it.
Asian countries' moviegoers, unsurprisingly, have been entirely unimpressed. share
Yeah i agree,i think what Hollywood tries to do with movies like these in Asian countries doesnt make any sense. How can they do an asian movie better than asians theirselves? Its rare for it to happen. So i think Shang-Chi wont do very good in Asian countries,but it wont be a flop either,because it does have the Marvel brand,that is succesful in Asia. But i think Shang-Chi will do good in Europe and Usa anyway.
shareThe trouble is, these idiots in Hollyweird don't seem to understand that selling the same pseudo-Asian garbage to non-Westerners doesn't actually work. It only works for us Americans and Europeans because we often don't know how Asians view the world, nor how they tell stories. So we just go with what Hollyweird tells us, not questioning how authentic it is or not. Asians, on the other hand, aren't buying it and are often insulted by the way they're portrayed in foreign films, and aren't gonna fall for the same pandering that Hollywood got away with when catering to western audiences.
share“So we just go with what Hollyweird tells us, not questioning how authentic it is or not.”
This is a film based on a comic book that depicts fictional characters who possess super powers. Asian cinema is chock-full-o fantasy magical-martial arts movies that aren’t realistic depictions of Chinese culture, history or martial arts either.
People seeking an authentic depiction of Chinese culture should obviously look to other film genres — unless, that is, they get their jollies being outraged over trivial things.
No for the various reasons listed here .. Be funny if it did tho and made like 400m in China
shareTony Leung Chiu-Wai is a big deal in China.
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