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How do you fans get over the fact that..


.. the Picard of S3 is actually a robot now?

He was a robot in S2, true (I only watched the first 2 episodes in hope that Q would turn him back to human form).

They try to sell S3 as the ST we (old fans) were all waiting for. Yet, I can't (and won't) watch it mainly because the titular character, good old Picard is dead.

Seeing Riker, Worf, Beverly, and the rest of the crew interacting with a facsimile, a robot as if that's the person they had all those adventures with... it doesn't work for me.

Also, a TNG send-off show/movie *without* Data and Q?? They killed both of them off, too, for what reason exactly?

How do you guys get over these *little* facts?

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To be fair is in the name.

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Well, the name's not enough anymore.

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Because it's just a TV show and has real actual impact on my life. That's how.

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That would be one way of dealing with it. You can't ignore the problem though.

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By ignoring idiot trolls like you!

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That's great advice, time to add you to the list

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I just ignore it. This show is fan fiction for me anyhow. It'll be fun seeing all the old characters back, but I don't take any of this as canon.

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Yeah, I don't take it seriously either.. but it is canon, unfortunately.

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did q really do that in S2 or u just saying that because u dont his acting??? lol!!!!

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no no, he really did that, in the beginning, in the middle, and then in the!!! hahaha lol

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This is a common trope is science fiction. It depends on a concept that the memories/thought processes (often referred to as engrams) make the person. There have been a number of approaches to this in fiction.

1. A machine/entity which is programmed with the engrams becomes a copy of the person. Such a machine/entity may or may not be alive, but will act and think exactly like the original; at least until the disparate experiences after the upload cause accumulated differences.

2. A machine/entity programmed with the engrams is the original. In this approach the belief is that the engrams are the totality of the person. If the person dies, they live on in the programmed machine/entity. The machine/entity is alive and contains the soul (if you believe in souls) of the orginal.

3. A machine/entity programmed with the engrams only contains those memories and can access them as a computer would. The person is not copied or continues to exist. In this approach the engrams are merely data. Like a book or computer they can be accessed, replayed, or studied, but they are no more alive than a book or computer.

4. A machine/entity programmed with the engrams uses those engrams as a base, but is not, and never was/will be, the original. The Wonder Man/Vision connection in Marvel comics (not the films) is of this type.

Star Trek as chosen number 2 above. In their view Picard is not, and never was, dead. (We'll ignore for the moment the episode "Tapestry"). His consciousness, his soul, is simply moved to the android body and it is no different than any other prosthetic in determining his humanity.

Now, I personally don't believe in any of the concepts of the person living on. When the body dies, the person dies. Someone/something programmed with memory engrams is merely a copy. They may, or may not, be alive. But if alive, theyi are a different person, just one that has the original's memories.

(Post to be continued)

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Haha. Yup Picard is a Fucking robot now. There is no way around it...

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Your post states "these little facts", yet some of what you stated is not facts. You mention a show without Data & Q but how can you state that as fact without watching the season when you posted this?

Picard with a robot body is admittedly weird. This is a philosophical question that was explored almost 400 years ago under the guise of "ship of Theseus". It's a paradox regarding identity over time. One version, positing a scenario in which all the parts of a ship are replaced gradually and one at a time, poses this question: Is the vessel that exists after the replacements the same ship as the vessel that existed before the replacements?

Same applies to Picard. Would he cease becoming Jean-Luc Picard after getting a tooth replaced, becoming assimilated, having all his memories transferred over to a new body? I don't think there's an absolute wrong or right answer as to this question, hence the philosophical paradox.

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