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‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Director: Why Mackenzie Davis Will ‘Scare the Fuck Out of’ Misogynists

posted 5 years ago by darkpast (8716)
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https://variety.com/2019/film/features/director-tim-miller-terminator-dark-fate-comic-con-1203262797/

An early “Dark Fate” poster received backlash, calling Davis and her co-stars “feminazis” and other chauvinist hate speech. How do you think she’ll be received in the room at Comic-Con?

If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters. If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the f–k out of you, because she’s tough and strong but very feminine. We did not trade certain gender traits for others; she’s just very strong, and that frightens some dudes. You can see online the responses to some of the early s–t that’s out there, trolls on the internet. I don’t give a f–k.

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[–] B1cKsurN (17407) 5 years ago

Lol, the only thing this movie is scaring the fuck out of, is box office profits.

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[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 5 years ago

"Lol, the only thing this movie is scaring the fuck out of, is box office profits."

Hahahaha well said!

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[–] Guitar King (4890) 5 years ago

This will be Ghostbusters 2016 all over again. I can't wait.

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[–] mgmry (29) 5 years ago

There wasn't any comedy in Ghostbusters 2016 and it was supposed to be a comedy. This movie is supposed to be an action movie and it seemingly has a lot of action. Hard to screw that up. Even Captain Marvel, which apparently wasn't for males, brought in a lot of money.

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[–] Guitar King (4890) 5 years ago

Hard to screw up Terminator? Have you seen the most recent ones?

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[–] mgmry (29) 5 years ago

Hard to screw up as in not making enough profit.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

Cameron hasn't been involved since T2, I notice you leave that out.

So you are expressly wanting non-male-centric movies to fail or something? You would have wanted The Terminator to fail, right? Can't compare Ghostbusters to Terminator since Sarah Connor was the main character of the first.

Do you hate Ripley too?

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[–] Guitar King (4890) 5 years ago

You are clearly a triggered NPC so fuck off.

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[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

Funny thing is that Ripley is indeed one of more beloved characters by the same people that dislike feminism.

Ripley in Aliens is the perfect example of how to make a great female character in an action movie while remaining a credible female. Ripley has to be blackmailed because she doesn't want to go 'on adventures' to chase Aliens, which makes sense in a female character, 'chasing dragons' is more a male trait. And she doesn't engage Aliens until they kidnap Newt, and then she enters 'don't mess with a mother' mode, going from avoiding violent conflict to willing to take any chance to get Newt back no matter the risks. Again, a credible female character. And she doesn't have an unreal physical strength, she uses weapons, and the crane-robot, to fight the Aliens. Again, it's pulp, it's a movie, but it doesn't break immersion like it happens when you watch a little chick knock down a big guy with a punch, wtf.

It seems that the modern meaning of 'misogynist' has no relation with real women anymore, and is about hating those men with boobs and vagina that have become standard characters in modern movies.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

"credible female"

I wouldn't go as far as that.

'Strong Female Characters' have been appearing in movies, computer and video games for a long time, and some are more feminine than others. So if you really want to say 'credible female', I'd suggest looking towards Cynthia Khan and Moon Lee - those females are very credible on the screen in every way possible.

AND their movies are more equal, because women get punched in the face by men and women, just as men get punched in the face by men and women. They also punch and kick men and women in the face and other body parts.

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[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

I've never watched any movie of Cynthia Khan. Moon Lee, I remember her quite well in the first two Mr.Vampire movies. I actually love those movies. Watching them Lam Ching-ying became one of my favorite actors, and one I consider most unfairly forgotten.

I remember Moon Lee in Mr.Vampire and Mr.Vampire 2, and I quite liked her. But she was the usual female warrior character in Hong Kong movies. Don't get me wrong: while I heavily dislike the 'powerful female warrior' stuff in modern western movies, I quite like those female warrior characters in old Hong Kong ones. But Hong Kong 60s/70s/80s movies (1) didn't feel political and (2) had a 'fairytale' quality that prevents from breaking immersion when you see a chick punching and knocking down a big dude. That quality was lost in the 90s, though :-(.

So, yeap, I get what you say. Dude, you're answering to somebody who loves 70s Hong Kong movies!! LOL.

And, as a general rule, I'd agree that old Hong Kong movies are the ones that got the 'female warrior' trope right (I'd add here some Anime series too, though they play often in the edge with those Tsundere characters). Still... I keep thinking that Alien 1/2 and Terminator 1/2 are exceptions to that rule.

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[–] Kazak (2187) 5 years ago

You realize your lazy attempt to brush aside everything he said actually makes you the NPC, if anyone, right? Projection at its finest.

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[–] Burk48917 (11356) 5 years ago

You might be right, but Captain Marvel was at the pinnacle of a franchise, and the Terminator series movies have underperformed for a while.

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 5 years ago

Good point.

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[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 5 years ago

Do these morons think that people are actually "scared" by strong female characters? Utter nonsense. People just hate their beloved characters and franchises devolving into to shitty, politically driven bullshit. Make good films and they will be well received regardless of whether the leads are men or women.

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[–] Guitar King (4890) 5 years ago

Female led sci fi movies is a 40 year old concept. This taunting only happens when idiots who know nothing about sci fi invade a franchise.

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[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 5 years ago

Indeed. I don't want to think how many times I've re-bought Alien films in various formats/editions etc over the years.

Sadly we live in a time where it's pretty much "Like our shitty film or you're racist/sexist/etc" delete as appropriate.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

People just hate their beloved characters and franchises devolving into to shitty, politically driven bullshit

bullshit , there wouldnt be half the hatred for this if the character was male and it looked like it was going to be shitty , stupid plot , money milking exercise.

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[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 5 years ago

I don't know. The last three were crap and got a lot of hate before release despite Bale starring in 4.

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[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

bullshit , there wouldnt be half the hatred for this if the character was male and it looked like it was going to be shitty , stupid plot , money milking exercise.

Exactly.

People rarely hate shitty movies, they just avoid them. The keyword you didn't include from the comment you answered was 'political'. People hate being politically lectured and indoctrinated, and what's more, watch how the old stories the loved when they were kids are being used and screwed to sell this new religion to them.

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[–] charliekelly (1018) 5 years ago

"Do these morons think that people are actually "scared" by strong female characters?"

Of course not. It's just a deflection technique for when a person or group has called you out on your shit and/or doesn't agree with your take. Another popular tactic is to say "they're just too stupid to understand", but that wouldn't serve the double function of helping his career by pleasing the left as much as "they're just scared of women" does. Why just talk shit about men, when you can talk shit about men AND stroke Hollywood's liberal ego and reinforce "women are strong, smart, funny, etc." at the same time and help your career. You take a fake stance on a political issue that people are emotionally invested in and cash out. Simple as that. He's about his own pockets, just like 99.99999999% of the rest of them. They say what they need to say - what sells.

Any man that talks this line of shit is either:

A) selling something to idiots and/or the emotionally vulnerable
or
B) a pathetic, brainwashed cuck that has actually been convinced to believe this drivel, in which case I still have no feelings of fear. The only thing I feel is sympathy for him.

I don't feel a fear of anyone involved with the project. Maybe I'm just not "misogynistic" enough.

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

No, it's called marketing hype and it's always like this. It exploits current trends and gets insecure male snowflakes triggered so they start talking to their friends about it (complaining, but that's what is wanted from them).

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[–] tom8 (3119) 5 years ago

so everyone that complains is a insecure snowflake?

guess that includes you as well since you have TDS and have complained everyday for 3 straight years now !!

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 5 years ago

LOL and here you are following me around complaining about ME because you're jealous that I have a backbone (unlike you, coward, and hiding behind a SOCK) and because I care about fellow humans (and ooh they love me for it, I benefit too, suck that).

Go get lost, seriously. You just spread negativity, so as far as I care, you could get spread across the road by a bus and the world would probably be better off.

That's real life shit, too. You're obviously not worth anything and you don't spread anything of worth, so the harsh laws of nature say you're expendable, and about as important as a pile of dog crap.

You're fertilizer. Have a nice life, dullard.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

"Do these morons think.."

No, they don't.

Your name is an oxymoron, by the way. DHs can't kill rogues, but rogues are basically an inbuilt cheat code anyway.

I am glad they are doing this SJW 'although genders don't exist, women can do anything men can do, but yet transsexuals shouldn't compete directly against women, because women have no chance'-BS in movies, so their insanity is exposed for everyone to see, and the brilliance of the old movies will become ever the more apparent due to the incredibly deep contrast.

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[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 5 years ago

My name makes sense if you've watched Angel. Rogue as in the noun. Are you talking about rogues being a class or type of something in a game or something?

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[–] tom8 (3119) 5 years ago

how can the truth be "hate speech"?

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[–] allaf (63) 5 years ago

these crazy feminazis are creating more and more hatred for feminism.
We want to watch a good action movie, not be lecture, not to have male characters ridiculed in the f** movies.

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 5 years ago

Then don't watch this movie, I won't, and laugh when they fall in crumbles just like the Ghostbuster reboot.

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[–] galahadfairlight (414) 5 years ago

Yeah, fuck your strong female characters Tim, we don't need them, because we don't like them in our manly movies......they scare us!

What? Terminator franchise has had a strong female character since it was first created? Yeah but nobody likes Terminator 1 & 2 did they? Oh, they did, they are beloved classics.

So..... what the hell are you on about Tim???

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 5 years ago

He knows his movie is bad and went on "blame other people" mode if it was not successful. Which is desperation.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

Well, I'm out.

Love the Terminator series, but I'm done with this bullshit of "enlightened" actors or directors bashing and lecturing their audience on social and political issues...and calling anyone with a differing opinion a troll.

I'm done with the constant identity politics in movies.

I'm just done. No more of my money for your political cause movies. Hope your movie tanks like the last few Terminator movies.

It's seriously getting so old. So I'm finished with it.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

have you got any examples of " lecturing their audience on social and political issues." ?
because , you know , if merely putting a woman in the lead role is a lecture , i may have missed the point of the lesson.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

Merely putting a woman in the lead role isn't lecturing. But going on an interview rant stating "if you're enlightened" then this, and "if you're a misogynist", then this, and "everyone who doesn't like what we're doing is a troll and is afraid of women, blah, blah, blah"...all of that shit is lecturing and pandering, and ignoring any valid criticism of the movie. What the hell does Tim Miller know about enlightenment and misogyny? Piss off with that shit.

If you lecture and talk down to your audience, then fuck you, I won't pay to see your movie. I don't care if it's the greatest movie ever. I'm done. I don't care if it doesn't matter to Tim Miller, the box office, or anybody else.

I love the first two Terminator movies...with guess what...a female lead, and they are classics. Then didn't have to put it on the front page of the newspaper either that Linda Hamilton was a badass. She just was (in T2).

I didn't really have much to say about this new girl, other than I thought from that still pic for this site she looks like she's trying hard to act like a dude, but she is so skinny and small I don't think she could protect a lollipop from a 2 year old. I'm sure 70 year old Linda Hamilton and Arnold will help her out.

That's my opinion. Everyone has one, and everyone is entitled to one, whether you agree with it or not.

Either way, I was going to give this film a chance...now I'm not, and that goes for every actor, director, or studio that feels the need to lecture the public about dumb shit. And no, I'm not talking about female leads in action movies, I'm talking about being so "woke" you have tell the universe that someone with a vagina is the lead in your action movie. It's nothing knew. They just think it is in 2019.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

ah you mean the lecture in the OP, i thought you meant the script of the film.
Yeah maybe he should have kept his mouth shut .
I'm still going to give it a chance though, looking forward to it actually . Not enough to go to the cinema , ill wait for a DVD , or Netfilx etc

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[–] spurtle467 (1546) 5 years ago

With a film that already looks awful from the trailer, the last thing I want to hear is the director coming out and saying something as cringy as "If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the f–k out of you". About as confidence sapping as having a director called McG directing, and I thought after Deadpool there may be a little reason for optimism. No, no faith at all now.

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 5 years ago

Because what else a crappy director can say after he made a crappy movie? If you don't like my movie then I'm a bad director and can't make good movies? No crappy director would ever say that.

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