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I think people who trash this movie are trashing it for the wrong reasons.


Why would someone expect a ninth movie in a franchise to be a work of art? Especially a series as ridiculous as Fast and Furious?

I laughed at times. I thought some of the movie was meme quality at times, but I liked it because it was Fast and Furious.

Was it one of the best in the series? Hardly. But I would say it was better than 6 or 7.

I think John Cena was a good addition to the series. Can't wait to see what they do with him, Deckard and Hobbs.

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It’s honestly no more ridiculous than any Marvel or DC movie

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People love just having something to hate on.

I just saw Black Widow, and the final act where they're going in freefall is so absurd. The prison escape scene was absurd.

But if Tyrese was doing that instead of David Harbour or Scarlett, the same ppl who enjoyed Black Widow would probably complain. XD

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Well, hating is the kewl thing around here.

Regarding what you said about ‘Widow though… or it’s actually because the Fast & Furious franchise isn’t a franchise based on… comic books? You know, properties filled with super powered and otherworldly beings who have always been able to do the impossible? The Fast & Furious series started out as a relatively grounded franchise with high stakes but now you got a seemingly normal guy like Dom (a guy who can utter the word “family” and become freaking Superman) lifting a damn building with his bare hands? Please! I know there are genuine fans of Fast & Furious (who know how ridiculous every installment has become) that thought this movie took things way too far even for this franchise. And sure, at least the spin-off already gave us an enhanced human. However, the Fast crew are capable of performing these very absurd things when they’re supposed to be “real” characters? Lmao.

Yes, it’s called suspension of disbelief (necessary for the action genre especially). But when a franchise like this basically goes from Point Break to Mission Impossible on steroids (killing any verisimilitude), it’s hard to go with the flow. This franchise certainly had to evolve, oh yes, but at this point it’s become like a parody of itself. But hey, after this messy movie, I doubt disappointed audiences who will continue to go see these movies will ever complain about its ridiculousness as it’s become clearer than ever that there’s zero rules in this franchise.

Oh, and if Tyrese had done what David and Scarlett did in their film, people would complain about Tyrese? Well, first of all, David’s character is established as a superhuman. That guy is supposed to do the impossible. And while Scarlett’s character may be a normal human compared to many of the heroes in that universe, she’s still a character from the comic universe and it was established a long time ago in her franchise that her character can do “ridiculous” (awesome) things. What’s more, the scenes you mentioned were no more absurd (unrealistic is the word, cuz they were executed far better than anything in Fast 9) than so many action scenes in Marvel or DC films. As is, Tyrese in his movie doing the same thing? Well, at this point there’s evidently zero verisimilitude in his movies. Yet, I 100% guarantee you the majority of audiences (including those who don’t care for something like Black Widow) would be laughing their asses off if they saw his character (a character who IS treated like a joke) doing anything like that. And rightfully so! Double standards? Nice try, but no XD

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You know, properties filled with super powered and otherworldly beings who have always been able to do the impossible? The Fast & Furious series started out as a relatively grounded franchise with high stakes


Black Widow's feats at the end of Black Widow are absurd compared to her feats in Iron Man 2. Black Widow's feats in that prison escape are absurd compared to her feats in Iron Man 2. Black Widow started as a relatively grounded character.

Yes, it’s called suspension of disbelief (necessary for the action genre especially). But when a franchise like this basically goes from Point Break to Mission Impossible on steroids (killing any verisimilitude), it’s hard to go with the flow.


No, it's not hard to go with the flow actually. Mission Impossible has gone through the same transformation from MI:1, which was effectively an espionage film and not even an action film. But people are able to go with the flow. It's just easier for people to make fun of the Fast series.

Yet, I 100% guarantee you the majority of audiences (including those who don’t care for something like Black Widow) would be laughing their asses off if they saw his character (a character who IS treated like a joke) doing anything like that. And rightfully so! Double standards? Nice try, but no XD


Right, you SURE showed me. lol. I can't believe I wasted my time trying to respond to your post. It turns out, you just got butthurt because I called out double standards so now you're putting together this disingenous and asinine post to pick at me. Yes, David Harbour was a bad example lol but all because you hated Fast 9 and loved Black Widow apparently, it doesn't mean I was attacking you personally or anything. But I'm not gonna waste my time explaining my points further or pointing out why yours is full of shit.


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I like the franchise in general, and I can assure it isn't just that I "love to have something to hate on." I'd say most of the people complaining are the ones that actually like the movies. Those that don't wouldn't care as much. It isn't so much that it's absurd but that it's just pretty bad.

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Your comparing this crap with Marvel & DC. Thats hilarious. Im not saying that them movies are great or without their own flaws. But your comparing this action series to a fantasy series.

Its far more ridiculous. I can't speak for everyone else, but i hate the series cuz it sucks. I mean sucks a ton. The first movie is good. Tokyo drift is ok even. The rest suck. And they get worst as they go on. F9 takes the cake.

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My issue is that they went full retard.

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Where were you? They went full retard since the 2nd movie.

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It's actually the tenth movie in the franchise.

Otherwise, largely agree with what you've put here. I'd put it on a par with 6 as well.

Perhaps lacking a laugh out loud stunt - but maybe only because I'd seen the driving up the rope bridge and into space moments in the trailer...

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Turned out, you'd be so true. Incoherent expectations really affect people's opinion on this. The guy trying to argue with me is trying to establish that in some franchises, viewers can accept the absurdities, but here, because it started off "normal", people can't accept how it ended up.

Which is fine. But that's totally on the viewer. There's definitely problems with these movies, and some of them are distinctly better than others. But you have to work within the confines of what the movie is purporting to be. And Fast 9 is trying to be ridiculous. It's fine to hate it, like Batman and Robin. I fucking hate it. But I acknowledge that Schumacher was intentionally making a cheesy campy movie. But I'm not gonna sit around and complain and bash it for being something it wasn't.

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There are some actors that people just love to hate. Diesel and Cage are very common examples for this.

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Most of the posts here are too long to be bothered to read.

I see that the OP stuck with us for a grand total of 1 post. Maybe he got bored, too.

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Maybe he never watched the film and got around to it which is why never returned now agreeing with everyone it was awful.

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He's back!

Three years later he's finally cracked that difficult sophomore post...

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My problem with this installment was that they put too much hand-to-hand fighting. Now out of nowhere suddenly they're not only car racing experts but also martial arts masters? It ruined the theme of the franchise.

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We've seen in Cobra kai that you can become expert fighters very quickly

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6 and 7 were WAY better than this one but I enjoyed this WAY more than I did 8. Could’ve done without the Space sequence though.

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