...if they are going to continue with The Upside Down World, I AM OUT. Can't they think of something different?
shareI mean, that’s fair.
Or at least make it change some or something. Kinda seems like it wasn’t much until Vecna got there. So maybe it can be changed idk
The Upside Down World.
We live in such a world in real life. The fact that this show has both become as popular as it has and dragged out this long is proof that reality is upside down at the moment
That doesn't make any sense though - the whole show is built on the foundation of the Upside Down existing and the mystery and horror of it. Exploring it and even solving it makes a lot more sense than going in a different direction entirely.
shareThey shouldn't have invested so much in that. The whole Upside Down world has become repetitive and boring. Even if they stuck with it they should have put a different spin on it to make it mor interesting.
shareI disagree. A show always sets up a thing it then builds upon, that's pretty normal. And I don't find it boring at all; if anything, the whole season explained some questions that arose in the previous seasons, which I find both interesting and satisfying. I hate when a show establishes questions it never answers.
shareI love when questions are asked and aren't answered. They leave it up to the viewer to interpret. Makes it all more interesting. We definitely have different ideas about what makes a show good.
shareI love when questions are asked and aren't answered. They leave it up to the viewer to interpret. Makes it all more interesting. We definitely have different ideas about what makes a show good.
Yeah; within minutes of The Voyeurs drawing to a close, we were all compelled to wonder: Did the story serve as anything other than a pretext for getting Sydney Sweeney and that other chick naked?
I don't think we're talking about the same thing though. Most shows set up questions in the early episodes that get answered along the way - there's an expectation that audiences will have some answers for some questions by the end of the series.
For example, if you watch Who Framed Roger Rabbit, you expect to have the answer for that question by the end of the film because it's a question posed in the title itself. You may not have every question posed in the film answered, but that's the one you should be certain will be answered. In another film, a murder may be left open to interpretation on purpose, which is also fine if it suits the narrative. But there will be questions in that film that were set up at the beginning and answered by the end, because that's what stories do.
In ST, there are lots of questions posed about the Upside Down. It's fine if not all of them are answered, but if none of them are answered, it's not because it's on purpose, it's because the writers failed the audience. It almost works like a contract. The Upside Down is a mystery that is shown unravelling onscreen. If no answers are given regarding this mystery, then that contract is being broken between audience and writer.
Sure some questions need to be answered, but not all need to be. Many shows don't answer all questions and I am fine with that. As I said, they leave it up to the viewer to answer them. Many people dislike the movie 2010, because they answer all the questions from 2001: A Space Odyssey(and badly I must say). 2001 answers very little, but 2010 answers way too much. Sometimes you can go overboard and it's disappointing.
shareYeah, I get you. I was more thinking of a show like Lost, where it set up so many questions and never really answered anything in a satisfying way. Like sure, I don't need to know every answer, but come on, how about any answers?
shareLost actually answered quite a few questions, even what the purpose of the island was.
You’re right though it wasn’t all satisfying answers, like the origin of the monster is pretty laughable.
Sometimes the answers were satisfying though, I liked how Desmond not entering the numbers in the hatch computer caused the plane to crash, that was cool.
Right, but that happened in season 2.
shareYeah, the show really didn’t give satisfying answers to the mysteries in the later seasons.
The Adam and Eve skeletons was ridiculous, especially when back in season 1 the writers said those skeletons would prove ‘they weren’t making the show up as they went along’ even though that wasn’t the case at all.
Honestly, there was so much nonsense in the later seasons, I don't even recall that story line. Granted, I haven't watched it in a while, but that is indicative of how far they went with it.
shareI remember back then when they finished the first season and it was a huge succes, the Duffer Brothers were thinking if they continue the story or make something totally different using the same actors (just like American Horror Story), the title of the show itself made it easy with the concept of diferent "mistery" stories for each season
shareShould have gone that way.
shareI agree. Hawkins Indiana should have just been a place, like Eerie Indiana, where DIFFERENT various "Stranger Things" happen. Sticking to the Upside Down etc. the entire show, has been a disappointing approach.
By the same token, I've long felt that the Halloween film series also should have never brought back Meyers, not even for 2. In fact that was the biggest mistake they made, was HAVING 2 still be about Meyers. Carpenter's vision for an ongoing series, was for none of them to have anything to do with each other, completely different stories, except that they all take place on the titular Halloween. That's WHY Halloween 3 was a completely different story. But because they made 2 still about Meyers, which also helped to ruin the mystery and spookiness of his body just disappearing at the end of the original film, it also made fans EXPECT Michael to always be the focus. Thus many fans disliked 3 because it didn't, and thus they went BACK to Meyers with 4, because $$$$.
Yes, Carpenter should have stuck with that. All the Halloween movies after 3 were really not worth much. Yes, even 2 wasn't worth it.
shareFrankly I would call 2 a bad sequel, straight up. There was no reason to ever revisit Meyers. The ending, with him just disappearing, was fittingly chilling. Like was he ever real? Was he still alive? What happened to him? It left lots of questions, and was perfect for that kind of story. Shoulda moved on. People just came to expect more Michael. And that's all those slasher franchises turned into, was Michael/Jason/Freddie/etc. over and over and over and over.
shareAgree. The show became boring because the same ideas kept being brought to the fore. The same Upside Down world and monsters, the same telekinetic powers used by El to destroy them, the same nosebleeds after said powers being used.
As has been suggested already in this thread, they could have gone in a different direction in the show and given these characters a new sci-fi mystery each season. This may have worked better and kept it interesting and different. The novelty of an upside down world is too thin to be stretched over 4 seasons of a show.
The worst part of it is that they don't build on it, but only rehash it all. It's the same thing over and over again. The best part of the show it the comedy and the characters. I really don't care for The Upside Down World anymore.
shareGo with something different.....than the backbone of the show?
shareTo me the backbone of the show is flimsy and could have been resolved in 1 season. Each season since season one has given us the same thing when it comes to Upside Down World. It's all the same thing and it really has become quite tiresome. The other elements are good, but the main concept is just not enough to span over 5 seasons.
shareSo replace the Upside Down with some other random event? Each season? Just because? THAT sounds flimsy.
Didn't build on it? Are you paying attention? Season 1, the Mind Flayer sends a minion. Season 2, he sends many. Then himself. Now the kids - some of them, at least - are IN the Upside Down. That's the definiton of build up.
The problem is that they don't build on it and it's only a retread of what they've done before. I thought I made that clear.
shareThey closed the circle really well in the last episode of Vol 1.
Vol. 2 should be amazing.