https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/solo-box-office-results-kelly-marie-tran-harassment-show-star-wars-has-a-fan-problem-1118898
Racist harassment of 'Last Jedi' star Kelly Marie Tran and the 'Solo' backlash: Lucasfilm’s problem isn’t the movies, it’s trolls who want only the nostalgia of their youth, like "old Luke Skywalker hiding on an island from everything new," writes columnist Marc Bernardin.
She hasn't even said why she deleted it ffs, it literally could be anything. This is exactly what they wanted though, now they get to play their little SJW games, and damn if they aren't taking advantage of it. "Star Wars fatigue" is a thing of the past, they've moved onto browner pastures of bullshit.
shareIndeed, one (likely) possibility is that she was forced by Disney to delete it under some NDA clause, since they're supposed to be filming now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOPUFC2LQk
Then why is John Boyega still active in social media? Alt-right types are in denial and have been trying to find excuses as to why Tran deleted her account after months of abuse. The denials themselves are offensive. It reminds me of what neo-Nazis do when they deny the Holocaust or racists deny racism exists.
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I'll stop using the alt-right label after the SJW label is no longer used.
What are you getting so bent out of shape about anyway? Almost sounds like we have an alt-right sympathizer here.
SJWs are the ones wanting to force diversity, make sexuality/gender/race the defining aspects of a person, and have all media meet their specific extremist social agenda - it's a label for a specific group of people that Lucasfilm is catering to. You, however, seem to be identifying anyone who doesn't want this kind of shit as alt-right, which is unbelievably inaccurate.
To think if someone isn't an extreme leftist, that they're automatically alt-right is idiotic beyond words. I dislike Trump and voted for Hillary btw. There are MANY people (I'd say a majority), left and right, who are against the insane SJW outrage movement.
Then why is John Boyega still active in social media? [...] The denials themselves are offensive.
Actually Boyega did the same in 2015 and deleted his pics from instagram back then:
https://twitter.com/JohnBoyega/status/655634079128260608
Anyway, I know that pointing out this is useless, since the main problem, as you have said, is that you find it offensive.
And that's a feeling.
Arguments don't change feelings. Facts don't change feelings. So I understand that you find irrelevant that Boyega deleted his pictures three years ago, when they were filming Ep VIII, the same Rose (Kelly Marie) has done now, when they're flming Ep.IX, which makes the NDA quite a reasonable explanation. And maybe (or probably) Boyega is active in the media now because he has learned how to manage it better.
But as said, that's just reality, and that can't beat the feeling of being offended by an unbeliever.
Boyega was attacked in 2015 for being a black Stormtrooper. October 2015 was just 2 months before the release of Force Awakens so I doubt he was filming. Boyega has a twitter account so was he active during the same time period? Were there abusive messages on his twitter or Instagram accounts? Boyega is a horrible example because you're not providing enough information.
You're missing the point that Tran was on the receiving end of abusive messages for months from SW fans. That's factual. And it's wrong. You're obsessing about wanting her to admit directly her reason for leaving social media which may be unlikely at least for now since it empowers abusers and may be embarrassing for her. There's a reason why many women who are raped or beaten remain silent. Or she may be doing it indirectly which is how the story leaked and why people who worked with her are defending her and not denying the story.
Questions aside, I reiterate the point is that she was subject to abuse for months. Stop trying to justify it with whether or not that's the reason she left Instagram.
Most human beings would find abuse offensive. I find it interesting that most alt-right types are more interested in denying her pain rather than admit months of abuse would have an effect and hurt her whether or not it's the reason why she deleted her account.
Why should this woman not be criticized? That's what social media platforms are for. No one is free of criticism and it's hard to feel sorry when someone in the position of rich celebrity is the one who cannot handle it. It feels like class warfare. I think criticism is not offensive. Offense is what you feel when you know it's true so if she feels offended it's because she deserves it. She did the right thing by getting off Twitter if that's what actually happened. Do you think it's unfair that Donald Trump take abuse on Twitter?
shareWhat makes you think she's rich? She said the movie salary was used to pay off her student loans and she had worked odd jobs. She sounds like a regular working stiff like the rest of us.
Constructive criticism isn't the problem. I had major problems with the Rose character like most people. Racist and sexist comments or death threats are abusive.
Trump is the biggest troll around and extremely abusive towards others. He has also created a hostile work environment in the WH. What goes around comes around in regard to him. The blue wave is coming in November. BTW, he is rich and is using the WH to enrich himself further at the expense of working class people. Why would you defend him?
Starbucks CEO and Jon Stewart call themselves middle class. Celebrities have a lot of guilt because they know who they killed to get where they are. I assumed that this woman is rich because she is a celebrity, particularly involved with a giant franchise. I would never believe that she worked or had student loans. The media would not be defending her if she were a regular working class stiff like us. That is class hatred to me.
When I said criticism I meant it broadly not just constructive. Asian women deserve extra criticism for thinking they are off limits. Nothing is.
I only used the Trump example to show that you are not against abuse. You are actually in favor of abuse. It just depends on who. The Trump example shows this absurdity because how can someone feel that the President is being asbused by internet basement dwellers? Yet this is the world of social justice. You will hear how the Queen of England is a victim of male privlidge. You yourself ask us to feel sorry for politicians in the White House being oppressed by Trump. Are you pro-war? Because that is what they had been doing.
I do not think Trump is losing. I will bet you your account. I have posts about this on his board. I defend him because I believe he is honest. For example, if Obama helped the poor, who would be left to vote for him? I see poor people used and abused but not by Trump and that's why he is hated. George Bush said Islam is a religion of peace, then killed brown people by the millions in wars. Trump is the opposite. He will insult them and Hollywood condemns him for that while begging for these wars for Israel.
You are also objectively wrong about Trump using the presidency to enrich himself. Trump is going to be the one and only president who leaves less well off than when he went in. He said himself if he lost, he'd have to retire because he wouldn't be allowed to do business anymore. He couldn't even get a band to play his inauguration. There are several high profile news articles about how his net worth has declined significantly and has dropped several hundred places on Forbes list of richest people 2 years in a row
Tran is a normal working Joe who recently got a lucky break:
"...landed her very first part in a film after eight years as a struggling actor...after almost a decade, she had made it — and making it meant, among other things, paying off her student loans...the 28-year-old UCLA grad had gotten used to grinding, supporting herself by working odd jobs and at a temp agency while also trying her best to put herself out there to get cast in projects. "She'd wake up at 5 a.m., answer phones and grab coffee, leave for two or three auditions in the afternoon, then come back to the office and stay until 8 or 9 at night," reports Buzzfeed.
Gigs were scant, and she was weary. Her acting experience consisted of a few appearances in CollegeHumor skits, a web series she shot with her friends, and some improv shows. Tran told Entertainment Weekly she thought about quitting..."
She may have been paid the going rate $100-250k for her role which isn't enough to be rich, just enough to pay-off college loans.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/28/kelly-marie-tran-used-her-star-wars-salary-to-pay-off-student-loans.html
" Asian women deserve extra criticism..."
It sounds like you hate Asian women.
I suggest you reread what I wrote re: Trump. I wrote that he was abusive towards others so he's just getting back what he has put out there.
Poor Trump! Perhaps he could move in with Ivanka who made $82 million last year while working in the White House.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/12/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-made-82m-last-year-working-white/
Tran hasn't said or done anything to anyone. Apparently attacking and threatening her commenced a while ago.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/attorney-anthony-nguyen-comments-on-the-racist-backlash-against-vietnamese-american-actress-kelly-marie-tran-300576592.html
https://www.salon.com/2017/12/28/threats-against-kelly-marie-tran-highlight-a-fear-of-women-who-break-sexist-stereotypes/
He's got you with Trump dude. You are basically saying "It's OK because it's Trump and he says things too - two wrongs make a right".
But at the same time your stance is that it's not OK for Kelly.
NO OK for Kelly.
OK for Trump.
Literally cake and eating it too...
I disagree because I believe in "an eye for an eye" instead of "turn the other cheek". Trump is mean to people so I don't care if people are mean to him. Tran hasn't done anything to anyone so she should be left alone.
You seem to be having a problem realizing there is a distinction so I'll give you an example.
You're walking down the street and encounter two strangers one minute a part. Stranger A gives you a compliment about your jacket. Stranger B spits in your face. Would your response be the same for both people? In my world, Stranger B deserves to be punched. You can turn the other cheek so Stranger B spits n your face again.
So basically mental gymnastics to justify it to yourself - got it.
shareI noticed that you didn't answer my question. Stranger B spits in your face, what is your response? I see you're afraid to be honest and answer the question because you know I'm right. And your ego won't allow you to admit it.
No justification needed since I'm resolute in my belief system. I treat people the way they treat me. Eye for an eye.
I don't care about your question - you have carefully constructed it to fit your stance, which is kind of what we are talking about here.
Besides, the correct response is to report the person to the authorities for performing such an act.
"Besides, the correct response is to report the person to the authorities for performing such an act."
Good luck with that.
My stance is that Tran and Trump are not equal. Tran is an innocent. Trump is an evil racist, neo-Nazi, misogynistic troll and narcissistic sociopath.
And because of his insults, there are Canadians who are boycotting American products and cancelling their vacations to the states. Do you want to discuss how many American jobs will be lost because of Trump's trolling behavior?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/some-canadians-boycott-american-goods-and-travel-after-trumps-insults/
Shame on you for comparing sweet Kelly Marie Tran to that ogre.
LOL Trump is a neo-Nazi now?
OK at least I now know what I'm dealing with here :).
Trump called the neo-Nazis in Charlosttesville, VA "very fine people". So yeah, he's a neo-Nazi.
His father was also in the KKK and was one of four men arrested during a riot protesting against Irish Catholics. The apple doesn't fall to far from the tree.
I'm assuming you agree with "an evil racist, misogynistic troll and narcissistic sociopath" since you're not protesting. LOL.
I'm not american, Trump's status on USA specific political issues etc is not one of my main concerns in life. I don't know the man personally so I can't really form an opinion as to whether or not he really is each of those things.
shareHis racism is common knowledge. Both he and his father were sued by the federal government for racial discrimination in housing.
He's very hateful. Who supports a nursing baby being pulled from his mother's breast?
http://www.scarymommy.com/infant-breastfeeding-immigration-detention-center/
Let's not derail this thread with yet another Donald Trump discussion - I believe there is already a board for that?
https://moviechat.org/nm0874339/Donald-Trump
Totally agree.
I was happily avoiding the Trump boards for weeks and hanging out here until a previous poster asked me a question in reference to him and you brought up his name a day ago by comparing him to sweet innocent Tran.
Trump called the neo-Nazis in Charlosttesville, VA "very fine people". So yeah, he's a neo-Nazi
Actually, you are LYING. Trump said that this protest included very fine people. It's you the one deciding he was referring to the neo-nazis there, even when he explicitelly condemned both KKK and neo-nazis.
There are no fine people who are neo-Nazis. Stop defending one!
shareAmazing.
I explained how he was NOT referring to neo-nazis with the expression 'very fine people', and according to you this is 'defending neo-nazis'.
That level of religious fanaticism is just amazing. Straight back to the XVIII century.
"Trump said that this protest included very fine people."
The protest was of neo-Nazis, KKK and other white supremacists who were against the removal of statues while yelling "Blood and soil," a Nazi slogan.
I repeat, none of those protestors are fine people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally#/media/File:Charlottesville_%27Unite_the_Right%27_Rally_(35780274914)_crop.jpg
They returned two months later to protest while yelling "Jews will not replace us."
I'm sure you're in denial about the Holocaust, too. Trump wants "his people" to admire him like Dictator Kim Jong-un's. Perhaps you should flyout to DC and give him a Nazi salute.
OK. So everybody who opposed the removal of that statue is a neo-nazi.
So half the country is neo-nazi, denies the Holocaust, and reads the Mein Kampf before going to bed.
Interesting.
And best of all: you're not trolling, you're damn serious about it.
You're changing the subject from Trump calling neo-Nazis "very fine people".
And your posts have nothing to do with Solo.
So explaining you why Trump supposedly calling neo-Nazis "very fine people" is fake news... that's "changing the subject from Trump calling neo-Nazis "very fine people" "
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
- You're a Satan Worshipper!!!
- I'm an Atheist, not a Satan Worshipper or whatever. Atheists being Satan Worshippers is fake news.
- You're changing the subject from you being a Satan Worshipper!!! That proves that you're a Satan Worshipper!!!
You're like a bloody BRAINWASHED CULT. Kind of scary, to be honest. It's like having Ultra-Ortodox becoming mainstream and trendy.
Thank you for crushing this brainwashed leftist snowflake ...keep up the good work!
shareObviously I'm correct about Trump praising neo-Nazis. Repeating meaningless words like "fake news" just proves you have drunk Trump's Kool-aid instead of thinking for yourself.
This discussion still belongs in the Trump forum - not Solo.
- Some people in that room are very fine people. The neo-nazi one, though, he's an asshole.
- You're saying that the neo-nazi one is very fine people!!! You're praising the neo-nazi one!!!!!
Damn.
And the worst of it it's that you believe what you're saying. SJWs, it's like a new RELIGION. It's like going back to Inquisition age. :-(
Trump also believes in abusing children. Defend that too along with his some neo-Nazis "are fine people" remark.
shareSo Trump deserved it? Great, you are massively hypocritical and cannot be taken seriously. I am not pro-Trump but if you say abuse is bad then you shouldn't cherry pick.
shareIt's what these people do, they cry racism for instance but then think it's perfectly okay to hate white people because they're white. They've even reinvented words to make sure that's a-okay in their crazy little game.
shareOctober 2015 was just 2 months before the release of Force Awakens so I doubt he was filming.
It was in the period that goes from filming to release, so the moment execs don't want pictures from the filming that could leak clues about the plot.
Even when filming is finished, if the movie hasn't been yet released, NDA still applies. Do I need to point that out? Really?
But hey, as I said, logic is useless when talking with believers in this new SJW religion. You can't beat feelings with logic.
You're repeating the stupidity re: NDAs from people who have no understanding what they are. If you're working on a film, you can't discuss anything about the film to anyone. It doesn't mean you have to shut down social media or go into hiding.
Tran has left a powerful message behind on her social media:
"Afraid, but doing it anyway."
Besides her message, people who know and work with her are saying she did leave social media because of the abuse. Boyega has more credibility than you or other "fans" who don't know her.
Your denial doesn't change the fact that this woman was subjected to abuse by the "fans".
I'm afraid you're the one with low intelligence here. Pics from the filming can give clues about the plot, so it falls under NDA.
Of course, most actors know what pics to upload to give no clues. But if Kelly Mari received notification from Disney lawyers about having pics that gave too much information, one simple action to avoid risk is just to suspend the account or the whole material.
Of course, we don't know whether that happened or not. But it's quite a reasonable theory, something that fanatics as you find hard to accept since it conflicts with your faith. 'Denial' has become the modern word for 'Heresy'.
And no, enough with the 'abuse' bullshit. People get insulted in internet. Everybody. Deal with it. 'Abuse' is quite a serious word and shouldn't be used so lightly.
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Tran was getting death threats, Einstein.
A 10 year old child named Justin Lloyd was verbally abused for years ended up with lifelong mental illness. Same with "The Star Wars Kid' who became suicidal and had to be committed to a mental hospital for a long time. Numerous children and adults commit suicide because of bullying. Who the Hell are you to negate their suffering?
According to whom? Tell me. Who send death treats to her? Quote it. Tell me.
She has not spoken about this issue. So what is your source?
"Then why is John Boyega still active in social media?"
He hasnt posted on Twitter for about a week now.
And it was a ramble about a recipe, the one before that was PAcific Rim BluRay coming.
Now its .......SILENCE........
Must be because of all the racist Trump supporter Star Wars fans
? This is whats wrong with lefties. They compare EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to nazis en Hitler. How the actual FUCK is this comparable? HOW is an actress deleting her social media page in ANY capacity comparable the the fucking holocaust? You are a fucking idiot and should just quit the internet all together. You are a disgrace to humanity. Truly sickening...
shareFire up the gas chambers, Hitler!
Just kidding ;)
"How is this comparable?"
Racists, anti-Semites, misogynists and other haters use denial as a weapon against people they victimize. It is a form of hatred.
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That's a new one! An alt-righter denying that neo-Nazis deny the Holocaust.
If you're in Illinois, you can vote for your candidate, Arthur J. Jones:
"Arthur Joseph Jones is an American neo-Nazi white nationalist and Holocaust denier... In January 2018, he became the only Republican candidate for Illinois's 3rd congressional district..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Jones
How come I'm not surprised he's a Republican?
I'm with him on the denial. I bet there are many neo Nazis who accept the holocaust and perhaps even celebrate it.
Being a neo doesn't automatically equate with denial.
Holocaust denial is a form of anti-Semitism which is why they do it. I agree that they do enjoy evil acts like genocide.
shareThe fans have a bad habit of attacking people. The 10 y.o. child actor who played Anakin, Jarjar (Ahmed Best) Ridley, and Boyega were attacked. And you have to admit that recently Abrams, Johnson and Kennedy have been attacked, but the difference is that they verbally fight back. Even Lucas was attacked so much he stopped making films and sold his own company.
I read some very ugly posts directed at Tran. She's not responsible for Rose any more than Hamill was responsible for Jake Skywalker. Denial by the alt-right and their sympathizers only reinforces the belief that all fans are racists and sexists and support attacking her.
"She hasn't even said why she deleted it ffs."
Why would she empower her lowlife attackers in that way? It's enough that racist and sexist posts attacking her do exist. Her remaining message on her site "Afraid, but doing it anyway."
Denial implies guilt?
shareMaybe guilt. Defense for their own group or people they are relating to? A way to negate another person's experience? I heard a male youtuber denounce Tran's abuse and then "compliment" her by saying he found her beautiful (after abusers said she was ugly). A few comments backed him up. It was lost on them why that is also sexist.
shareNot sure what you mean by 'maybe guilt'. And given that Kelly hasn't said anything about this the only person's experience that is being negated is the anonymous twitter account. And who are they exactly to become a self appointed mouthpiece for Kelly... to deny her agency? "A woman has come off Instagram - it must be because she's been chased away by bullies!". I'd say that's more sexist than someone saying she's beautiful.
Also, you know the same thing happened with Daisy Ridley? She deleted her social media account and there were all kinds of rumours as to why and ultimately she came out and said she just didn't think it was healthy to look at 'distorted images of how things should be' - implying she didn't like the pressure to be perfect. A very sensible and healthy reason.
No how will Kelly feel if she deleted hers for the same reason? Maybe she didn't like the fame, the exposure, the press - and now there's a bazillion articles written about her, making her a victim...
I've no doubt she's gotten a lot of crap she doesn't deserve from the usual wankers but I'll let her be the one to define her own experience.
"I've no doubt she's gotten a lot of crap she doesn't deserve from the usual wankers..."
This is what I agree with. There are people who act like they're trying to negate the abuse by making it all about the reason why she left social media. When 95% of the discussion becomes the reason instead of what was happening to her for months then it negates the abuse.
Ridley said the negativity did bother her but the main reason was because she didn't have anything to post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJCszPM4dJ8
Fair enough.
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They're lunatics, zealots who actually think they're spearheading a cultural revolution and changing the world for the better, to their belief structure. All they're really doing is making crappy movies.
shareI don't know why I continue to expose myself to this shit, it's just exhausting. Like Tandyman said, these people are lunatics, they don't live in reality. They don't care about facts. They only care about pushing their specific agenda and narrative, and will latch onto/distort whatever they can. It's the religion of the modern day, and there's nothing you can do to get through to them.
shareYou made some good points. Kennedy and Johnson probably believe they are making great films because of their narcissism. They're both stereotyping all old fans as being white middle-aged men who have a problem with the recent changes. They believe that women can't relate to Luke and other nonsense. It doesn't appear that Kennedy knows or understands SW fans which is a major problem.
Too many fans continue to whine about SJWs and women and Ghostbusters which starred women, etc. instead of just focusing their complaints on the quality of the films and being specific. By focusing on SJW rhetoric, it reinforces Kennedy & co.'s belief that the fans are racists and sexists white men and that there is nothing wrong with their films.
Unfortunatley some fans are toxic and Kennedy & co. are narcissists. While both sides double-down, most decent fans who just want to see good SW fans end up losing.
In the beginning, it was just about the specifics of why TLJ was bad. However, Lucasfilm responded to that criticism by ignoring it, and essentially labeling everyone as bigots and "manbabies".
Roundhead Johnson literally said there wasn't a single piece of criticism that was valid, when you have countless reviews, Youtube videos, etc. pointing out tons of objective issues with the film. They started this. They played the "SJW ignoring criticism and labeling everyone as bigots" card, which exacerbated this whole thing.
"They started this"
Not really. Fans have been whining about the "SJW" agenda before Kennedy or Johnson opened their big mouths. The message about the film quality is getting lost on them because of all the "SJW' comments. The reality is that there are toxic fans who are racist and sexist and have a problem with diversity.
"Lucasfilm responded to that criticism by ignoring it, and essentially labeling everyone as bigots and "manbabies"."
The people who use the term "SJW" don't appear to realize that there are plenty of left-wing fans who hate Disney SW also. And they fail to realize that Lucas was also left-wing. Kennedy and co. are incompetent. It's not the politics, but the horrible writing that's the problem. Do you believe that the character development would be any better and that Luke wouldn't have been killed off if they were right-wing? Bad writing isn't limited to a political party.
Do you actually believe everyone in Hollywood is incompetent? I think they arent't. I think it is about the politics. They don't care about the quality. They just want to push a corporate message. If you like diversity why do you not think it's patronizing to have it preached to you all the time?
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"SJW" doesn't mean left-wing and their are plenty of left-wingers who despise SJWs. As well they should, given that SJWs have adopted the position of the 'moral majority' that the christian conservative right used to hold back in the 80s.
But saying this I'm sure there's plenty of people that use the term disparagingly to refer to the left as a whole.
And I see your point re politics but I think the truth is a bit more complicated than that. I don't believe for a minute that JJ actually is a progressive, I just think he's a near expert at PR. STID had that cringe worthy gratuitous nudity scene and he got hell for it, so from that point on he says all the right things and then writes Rey... He didn't write her that way to make a statement or to be a feminist, he wrote her that way because his focus groups told him that a female character like this is very 'on trend': No flaws, no femininity, and no harm done to her. So TFA was both very apoltical in that it did what it did purely to maximise its appeal but also political in that it was designed to appeal to the politics of the day. If that makes any sense!
But the politics did play a part in why they killed Luke off as they're trying to dismantle the trope of having the man ride in to the rescue (and nothing wrong with trying to do that if done correctly) but that just leaves the male characters not much else to do save be killed off.
You made some good points. I'll go further and say Kennedy and Johnson aren't progressives either. Rose is basically a love interest to Finn. And she was hired to appeal to China, I guess, even though she's Vietnamese. Finn is a stereotype. Undeveloped "strong" female characters are a step backwards. I guess females were supposed to subconsciously enjoy Poe begin slapped by Leia and berated by Holdo.
"But saying this I'm sure there's plenty of people that use the term disparagingly to refer to the left as a whole."
I've read many comments from people using terms like "feminazis" and "those lefties", so that's my impression too.
"having the man ride in to the rescue (and nothing wrong with trying to do that if done correctly) "
Lucas did it right 40 years ago when Leia saved everyone during the prison escape.
I think they're killing off the OT characters because they don't believe the new characters will otherwise be accepted. I just resurrected the OT characters by reading the Lucas EU books.
But the politics did play a part in why they killed Luke off as they're trying to dismantle the trope of having the man ride in to the rescue
Not only did I read my post I wrote it too. At the same time!
Yes - he *appears* to ride in to the rescue only for it to turn out it's only a trick to buy time for the real hero - Rey - to rescue everyone. He then dies. Because he's tired. Or something. So yes, it was a very clumsy attempt to dismantle a trope. Glad we agree on this.
You're going to have to forgive me now for the on the nose reference but I know you're close to the truth Froggy because I can sense the conflict within you. You're proven yourself to be rational in most respects; your Achilles heal seems to be when these imaginary characters we discuss have an imaginary vagina. It's a very strange thing to get hung up about but you just need to let it go. Poe *is* overpowered and resolutely one note. This has been critiqued many times. Finn is a walking contradiction. So is Ren, who is also whiny, annoying and utterly nonthreatening. As is Hux, who is as intimidating as an over dunked rich tea biscuit. Every single character written by JJ Abrams is abjectly awful, and are routinely condemned by anyone with a lick of objectivity but it's only Rey who inspires such passionate defence and we all know why that is.
You don't even like the last Jedi... and do you know the main reason why that film doesn't work? Rey. Here's an exercise for you: try to write a hero's journey type story in which the main character overcomes every trial they face at the first time of asking, isn't allowed to experience anything save the most superficial of hardships and never needs to be rescued by their friends (thus rendering their place in the story utterly pointless). Now try to make that story exciting and compelling. Good fucking luck!
To conclude:
Rey is a terrible character.
Written by men.
Men whose opinions of women are so low they think Rey will appeal to them.
She is an insult to women.
She is as relatable to women as he-man was to men only he had far more depth.
I *want* more well-written women in cinema as there's a huge lack of them.
Refusing to critique female characters is not helping cinema create better female characters - just the opposite.
I have read watched and enjoyed many explicitly feminist books/films by luminaries such as Agneta Pleijel, Mare Kandre, Kristina Lugn, Anna Odell, Anaïs Nin etc. Most of my friends are arch-feminists and a lot of my work is with actual feminist groups and campaigners. You have no fucking clue as to the world I want, you just want to be the hero of your own story, riding to the defence of helpless - and imaginary - women.
Well get this - Rey doesn't need your help. She doesn't fucking exist. Just accept that she's a terribly written pastiche of a YA heroine written by a hack in order to make money.
Say it with me.
Say it loud, say it proud!
"Rey is a Mary Sue."
"Rey is a Mary Sue"
"Rey is a Mary Sue"
You know it to be true.... Join us, and together we can help end this destructive conflict between the 6 people who actually use this site.
Don't do it for me.
Do it for Daisy.
Ride in and save her from JJs evil clutches!
This is why the giant game of telephone that is the internet is so dangerous.
Celebrity deletes instagram
A single twitter fan account says it is because of abuse
Click bate sites spread the story
The allegation becomes fact
Psychic bloggers determine that the anonymous trolls are white and male
Race baiting idiots run stories attacking white male fans of Star Wars
So we've now gone from alleged abuse by unknown trolls towards a celebrity to actual abuse by mainstream media towards millions of people. 17th century Salem has nothing on the internet!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5EaGbpvKIw
shareCan't trust anything this guy says: 1) You can see his neck clearly, and 2) He no use ad blocker.
shareAh, someone else posted this - it is interesting, indeed.
shareThe Star Wars old-school fans deserve every bit of abuse coming their way.
They are assholes of a monumental degree and are doing their best to chase all sane and reasonable people out of the fandom, and to ruin the careers of anyone who dares to add anything new to the canon. I still think Lucas sold off the franchise to get them out of his life, after the abuse they heaped on him when the prequel films came out.
I don't even know why they like Star Wars, which is all about the value of selflessness, friendship, and finding peace of mind, unless it's because they identify so strongly with Luke the male virgin.
No one cares about Kelly Marie Tran's race or gender, we hated her character and her performance.
share“I didn’t like your character or performance” Not a good excuse to harass someone.
shareI didn’t harass her, I don’t even know her, I just don’t think she should have been in Star Wars. Some people need to toughen up and learn how to take criticism without crying and playing the victim.
shareNever said you did. But others did.
shareAgain if that’s the case she needs to learn how to take criticism, her performance was worse than jar jar binks
shareRight she needs to learn how to take criticism and the morons who harassed her don’t need to learn anything.
Btw there’s a pretty big difference between criticizing someone and harassing them.
The fans have every right to express their opinion about her stupid character and her stupid movie. If Disney had an agenda other than forcing SJW messages down our throats they’d listen.
She’s a grown woman, she needs to grow up and learn to take criticism
*Btw there’s a pretty big difference between criticizing someone and harassing them*
shareShe’s not being harassed, she’s being a crybaby
shareOf course. The Star Wars fanbase just can do no wrong.
shareThe fan base are the people who keep this franchise alive, without the fan base no one watches the movies and no one buys the toys. It’s not a good idea to piss off the customer and everyone at Disney and lucasfilm needs to listen or they are not going to make their 4 billion dollars back
shareIt sounds like someone needs to reserve a cry room for her.
shareYou’re a bit of a douche, huh? Why talk about someone with so much contempt just because you didn’t like a character they played? This is pretty typical Star Wars fanbase behavior apparently.
shareI don't hate her, I don't even know her and I would never "harass" her, but it sounds like she and Disney are having a really hard time taking any form of criticism and if you are going to try to sell a bunch of crappy Star Wars movies that no one asked for and load them with SJW messages you are going to have to expect a little blowback from some of the fans. If people not liking her character is really damaging her psychologically so bad then maybe she shouldn't appear in Episode IX, hell I'd be fine if they never made Episode IX and just stopped right now but we know KK and JJA aren't going to do that.
shareCorrect, the only person who can control if you are offended by something is yourself.
The most successful people in the world cop loads of criticism - they just know how to deal with it best.
Exactly if she’s going to be a crybaby snowflake then she should just not appear in anymore Star Wars movies
I'm a principal and I have been cussed out and called every name in the book and I have the maturity not to throw a hissy fit over it.
Let’s be honest, there are plenty of garbage Star Wars fans. and you’re one of them.
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