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Zootopia vs. Moana


Okay, so I bet at this point a lot of us have seen both of these movies by now. Both are regarded as new Disney classics for the era. And yet I know many people are willing to pit these two against each other to see which they think is better. In my opinion, they're vastly different. One's kind of a neo-noir action crime thriller with hints of comedy, and the other is a musical with some action and comedy thrown in. But since this is pretty much inevitable, I might as well hear which one you guys think is better in a number of fields: writing/story, characters, acting, humor, animation, music, and so on. This is more just an opinionated thing than anything.

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I agree with you they are vastly different. The only thing they have in common is the the name Disney. I love both of them, and saw both in the theaters. I can't remember how I felt leaving the theater after Zootopia, I definitely liked it, but I'm not sure I was as awed by it as I was Moana. Granted I just saw Moana yesterday so I still feel pretty strongly about it, but I remember thinking at the end of it, "Yes, this is a movie that kids growing up these days need to be able to respect Disney as the great children's movie producers that they are." Kids these days will feel about Moana, the way I feel about The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast. Zootopia is a great movie with a great message and I'm sure kids will see it as a staple of their childhood someday. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the short before the movie. I LOVED it! And maybe that set my tone for what was to come, but I thought it was extremely clever, and I could relate to it on about a million levels :)

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I think Imma lean more toward Moana. Maybe that's because I'm a sucker for musicals :P, but even then, I had better feelings about this afterwards than after Zootopia.

I just feel that Zootopia tries too hard with its allegory to the point where it becomes more about "Geeeeeet it, we're making real world parallels!!!" than it is about making a genuine, heartfelt story. Granted, it's nowhere NEAR as obnoxious as the way Frozen comes to screeching halts to brag about how oh so (un)clever it is, because there are some good moments between Judy and Nick (Ginnifer Goodwin really shined, too. I wouldn't mind seeing her in more stuff), but it does just keep on and keep on nudging you with its elbow on what it's doing that it ends up just feeling a little too forced, and that in turns leaves characters seem like thesis statements and representations of [xyz point] rather than real, believable, fleshed out people in their own right. Certain story/dialogue beats crafted to service these specific points you wanted to make & not the other way around, the latter being the more natural and organic way to do it, at least for me. Because when you do it in the former, you're just kind of asking me to hold it under more scrutiny, which really is kind of confusing as to WHAT exactly they're trying to say or who is even meant to represent who with your allegories. A Youtube channel called Wisecrack makes a pretty good video going into that point, which aligned with my "ehhhhh..." feelings with all the Super Serious Social Issues stuff people were praising it for.

Moana has that kind of post-modernist stuff in it too, but they don't call as much attention to it as they have recently. It's brought up in one conversation, and that's pretty much. That's not what the ENTIRETY of the movie is about. They take their time to really let you get to know the world you're entering and the people that inhabit it (it's a bit longer than most Disney films like this are because of its 1st act), and you really get to know Moana and the important people in her life and all of their motivations for feeling the way they do. Maybe not as in depth as some of my other Disney favs, but well enough to get me invested in her journey. As the movie went along, I actually believed the character progressions she was going through since they, ya know, actually SHOWED it through various adventures she went through and interactions she had with people (unlike that OTHER movie...okay I'll try to stop bashing it now).

And the ending is one I can always appreciate. The one where they take an unconventional route other than just defeating the bad guy or, like in Zootopia, ends with a WhoDunIt reveal (which quite frankly, the reveal in that movie is pretty freaking lame). Not to say those kind of endings are inherently bad, not at all, but if we're comparing Moana to Zootopia, I think Moana had more heart to it AND was more surprising. I didn't think that character was going to come back around, so I liked the way they full-circled it all together.

Overall, I don't mind conventional stories just as long as you tell it genuinely. Tweak and play with the formula, and give me the heart. Bragging about how you're doing something different won't get to me if I don't care (and quite frankly you probably aren't as original as you think you are), so before ANYTHING, get me to care. Don't TELL me that you're different, just be a good storyteller and the uniqueness of your film will shine on its own.

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Moana is the far better animated movie.

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I choose Moana. Moana is sightly better in story. Moana is also better in animation.

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I would have to choose Zootopia. As much as I enjoyed Moana, it still felt pretty formulaic. I left the theater thinking it was a good movie but nothing I'd be in a hurry to see again. With Zootopia it was the complete opposite. After watching it the first time I immediately wanted to see it again. Just in how it told it's story I really felt like it was something I haven't seen in a Disney film before. Plus I feel it had better characters, better pacing, better story, and much bigger laughs. Hell that "Slothes DMV scene" alone will be remembered for ages.


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It's interesting that you touch on them being different. How about the similarity of both being about a strong female protagonist, who gets a mischievous male to help them in their quest? Whose parents don't want them to go on that quest? And who find out that their quest is harder than they realize, but still push on and persevere anyway?

I think Zootopia was better written. I didn't laugh at all of its jokes, but I cringed at a few in Moana. Also, the conflicts in Zootopia felt more real to me, and plot was more developed. Nick had a stronger reason to be mad at Judy than Maui did at Moana. Furthermore, I thought Zootopia was more original and creative with its world. I liked the characters better in Zootopia as well, though admittedly, that's down to personal preference. Both have solid voice talents, though I like Jason Bateman a bit better than the Rock as a voice actor, so again, personal preference. Both were really pretty to look at, but Moana might be more visually striking, so I would give it that. Music, Moana is a musical, and I do like "You're Welcome" more than "Try Anything," so there's that, too.

I feel like Judy overcame more on her own than Moana did; she didn't have an ocean or a grandmother to help her. She persevered in the face of a much more cynical world, and she fell a lot farther than Moana did in the middle, to rise back up when she realized the answer to her problem. She relied a lot more on herself. It's hard to pick between Nick and Maui, though. I do think that the supporting cast in Zootopia was more diverse and developed, however.

Advantage: Zootopia

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Moana by far! Is very entertaining, beautiful, cheerful, and energetic!

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