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Zootopia vs. Moana


Okay, so I bet at this point a lot of us have seen both of these movies by now. Both are regarded as new Disney classics for the era. And yet I know many people are willing to pit these two against each other to see which they think is better. In my opinion, they're vastly different. One's kind of a neo-noir action crime thriller with hints of comedy, and the other is a musical with some action and comedy thrown in. But since this is pretty much inevitable, I might as well hear which one you guys think is better in a number of fields: writing/story, characters, acting, humor, animation, music, and so on. This is more just an opinionated thing than anything.

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I think Moana is the better film by far, don't get all the hype for Zootopia, yes I know it has a nice message but other than that it's just another boring buddy cop movie and most of the jokes fall flat for me. I hated the twitter joke in Moana but without that it's a perfect movie, probably the most beautiful film Disney has ever produced

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You realize people could say the same about Moana don't you? It's just another Sing-a-long and another princess planted in another setting. What's so special about that?

Zootopia had a lot more to it than just a budy cop adventure. It had excellent pacing, some of the best world building from Disney, and interesting characters that everyone with a heart should be able to relate to in some kind of way. And i clearly remember a time when practically everyone was putting the film down, saying it would bomb, it was going to be stupid etc. Yet look what it did!

It does deserve every bit of the credit, its billion dollars plus world wide gross, and awards it's already won and ones to come! Like it or not the majority of the world loved this film so one person calling it crap doesn't really change very much.

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Exactly. It broke the mold in terms of a completely original story. People can argue Moana did not. Princess with over protective parent longs for adventure, sets off to save her home and meets a sassy mentor along the way, saves the day and returns home an independent heroine.

Mulan,
The Little Mermaid,
Frozen,
Brave to name a few

This doesn't mean the film wasn't awesome; it was. It just didn't blow me away.

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Correct! One thing else of note is those preaching about "a stong female lead in a Disney animation" do people honestly forget that quickly? We already had a strong, kindhearted, generous and intelligent female lead in a Disney animated film this year: Judy Hopps! Or does it only count when she's a princess?

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All I gotta say, is Disney hit two home-runs out of the park in one year. Both Zootopia and Moana are absolutely incredible films that boast new directions for Disney animation.

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Moana all the way zootopia was boring as were big hero6 and wreck it Ralph Disney should just concentrate on musicals there best especially fairytale and princess musicals

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Zootopia by a mile. I just got back from taking my 4-year-old to see Moana and it was... OK. Nothing special in my opinion. The pacing was weird, the songs were bizarre and unmemorable, and despite the cool setting at the end of the day it was just another rote, by-the-numbers princess movie. Zootopia had a better story, a cooler setting, a hell of a lot more on it's mind, and was much more emotionally impacting.

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For me Zootopia is ever so slightly better than Moana. But both are good in different ways.

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Moana is the best mainstream animated film I've seen this year. It's songs are wonderful, the characters are great, and the adventure comedy is the best since Tangled. I don't think this film is as good as Tangled or even Frozen but it doesn't have to be. It's messages and execution are simple, but there's great beauty and enjoyment from films like that. I had a smile on my face the whole time and it was a wonderful and even uplifting experience. I love when movies can do that.

Zootopia on the other hand, well, I've had my issues with it. The characters are good and likable, the buddy cop story is fun, and the world building is pretty neat. However, it's decision to be somewhat of a message movie kind of hurts it. I admire the film for it's broad take and attempt to play both sides, but there's some execution flaws. At least a couple of scenes come off as so contrived that it really takes you out of the film. Despite being more allegorical than metaphorical, it still manages to botch up and not take the subtle road it should have. A lot of people are calling this one of the most original animated film in years, but I just don't see it. Anthropomorphic animal worlds have been done before, detective stories have been done before, and even the film's take on prejudice has really been done before. I still liked it, but wow does the film's constant conveniences and those two or three contrived scenes really take me out of it.

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Exactly, thank you!

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"However, it's decision to be somewhat of a message movie kind of hurts it."

Out of curiosity what message is it that you don't agree with or like?

You can't possibly agree teating others differently is a good thing, how about living to your fullest potential? Is the anti-bullying message also distasteful? Or is it being a honest caring person?

Might I MANY animated films have mesages to them and most are praised for it! Take Wall-E, Toy Story, Up, Kung Fu Panda, and Finding Nemo to name a few! Or classic animated series like David The Gnome. Did you also find issues with them?

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Might I add*

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Out of curiosity what message is it that you don't agree with or like?

You can't possibly agree teating others differently is a good thing, how about living to your fullest potential? Is the anti-bullying message also distasteful? Or is it being a honest caring person?


I don't think he ever said he disagrees with the message. You can dislike being shouted a message through a movie that you might have just wanted to entertain you without actually disagreeing with the message. While I had no problem with Zootopia, there are many other movies that I've seen that I've despised because it's been too political, even though I agree with the message it's spewing. Sometimes, people go to movies just to enjoy them and get annoyed when, instead, they're being lectured.

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Since when is telling someone to respect someone else political? I don't get that at all! Did the movie say at some point to vote one way or the other or if your not part of (inset party here) your bad and I just missed it? My understanding is that these are pretty basic elements of civil society.

However I have seen multiple people use Zootopia messages VERY NEGATIVELY! Such as this one I just pulled off of Rotten Tomatoes!

"Very, VERY overrated movie. I grew up in a strict republican family, so Iv'e honestly got to say I hate the moral. I don't blame the animals in this movie for hating predators (the scenes where a pig says "go back to the forest predator, and the scene where a rabbit pulls her child away from a tiger sitting next to her on the bus). They just wanted to PROTECT THEMSELVES AND THEIR FRICKIN CHILDREN. I don't get what's so wrong about that."

And yes people do actually feel this way! So like it or not and all political stances aside the messages that Zootopia brought to the table were and still are needed! On the positive side it might just help someone to understand people are people and we all deserve a chance. And on a negative side it exposes idiots like the one I quoted above!

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Not necessarily political, per se, but pushing an agenda. Sometimes those agendas are negatively taken, even if the message isn't disagreeable. Whether you've seen reviews like that or not, she wasn't saying anything like that. She just said that the movie trying to shove a lesson down your throat (my words, not hers) hurt the movie.

My bad! Forgot who exactly he had replied to, and just used "he" randomly.

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Again, how is living up to your fullest potential, treating others with respect and dignity, and not being a bully pushing an agenda? Much less offensive?

I do however believe there is a political agenda in the reasons for strongly disliking this film! And some people that aren't willing to admit it just hate being called out on their bais even if it is hidden. And that's irony at it's greatest as that was a huge part of Judy's character arc.

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Sorry to nitpick, but I'm a she! For the record, I didn't consider this film too political either, just that kind of basic contrivance and manipulation that feels too manufactured to come off as natural in a film.

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Out of curiosity what message is it that you don't agree with or like?


I never said I disagreed with the messages in the film, only that having such themes led to some contrived scenes that take the viewer out of the film. I even said what the movie tried to do was admirable, but I've seen it done better elsewhere.

You can't possibly agree teating others differently is a good thing, how about living to your fullest potential? Is the anti-bullying message also distasteful? Or is it being a honest caring person?


I've seen you rise up to defend this movie even when the most fairest of criticisms were given. I never said any of that and it's unfair to think that anyone who doesn't consider this film a perfect masterpiece must somehow be a terrible, bigoted person. My concerns with Zootopia only apply to how it is as a film and entertainment. I love deeper films that can inspire thinking and emotional engagement but this film simple didn't. I've also seen you mention several times that you are gay. So what, so am I, just the other gender. Just because I've seen prejudice and bullying in my life doesn't mean I have to love a movie like this.

Might I MANY animated films have mesages to them and most are praised for it! Take Wall-E, Toy Story, Up, Kung Fu Panda, and Finding Nemo to name a few! Or classic animated series like David The Gnome. Did you also find issues with them?


Nothing is wrong with anything you mentioned here, all of these accomplished their messages perfectly. Like I said, you are accusing me of things I am not and ignoring the issues with Zootopia I actually addressed.

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I'm not sure if that was for me above. I don't remember calling you a male? If I did by mistake my apologies.

You're right I have been defending this film and I'll keep doing so! I've in fact been standing up for it the last three years or so back when practically everyone was laughing at it. At least today the majority now respects it for what it is and only a amount are being petty and or evey single time a films released jump on the "it's better than Zootopia bandwagon." So no, I'm not ashamed for defending this film. And it does deserve everything it's gotten (now with 11 Annie awards, #1 of all films). But I expect you'll tell me that's rigged or something.

And ditto to you! I've seen you and a couple others running all over the internet and here with no other goal in mind but discredit Zootopia and try to convince others that practically everyone was wrong, Zootopia wasn't a great film. I'm simply defending it as I see it happen.

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11 Annie* Nominations, no confusion attended.

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You're right I have been defending this film and I'll keep doing so! I've in fact been standing up for it the last three years or so back when practically everyone was laughing at it. At least today the majority now respects it for what it is and only a amount are being petty and or evey single time a films released jump on the "it's better than Zootopia bandwagon." So no, I'm not ashamed for defending this film. And it does deserve everything it's gotten (now with 11 Annie awards, #1 of all films). But I expect you'll tell me that's rigged or something.


Geez, why are you so touchy about this film? She just said she wasn't a fan. She hasn't been going everywhere simply to discredit the film or make up excuses saying people were paid to like it or anything. Someone is allowed to disagree with your opinion on a film. For example, I also liked Zootopia a lot, but I can see where she's coming from in that the message was a little overly overt for a movie that was marketed as just an entertaining movie, not as a lesson type of movie. But hey, that didn't bother me. But I can see how it could bother people. So I'm not going to waste my time trying to defend the movie, when it's simply just a difference of opinion.

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Thank for the back up and, trust me, neither of us are the first to call this user out as touchy. I would like to clarify once again though that I have no issues with films that have messages as long as they're executed well. I just felt Zootopia had a hard time conveying what it wanted to sometime without stopping the momentum of the story.

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It really seems there's no getting through to you. You completely ignored everything I said and are just being purely dismissive of me. The post about correcting my gender was meant for the other guy, not you.

And ditto to you! I've seen you and a couple others running all over the internet and here with no other goal in mind but discredit Zootopia and try to convince others that practically everyone was wrong, Zootopia wasn't a great film. I'm simply defending it as I see it happen.


No actually, this is not what I do. I post on many various animated film boards and discuss many varied topics. I have no personal vendetta against Zootopia and it's silly to think anyone would have such a thing against a film. I will give my opinions on any film when it comes up and I always do it in a polite, respectful manner. Really, I'm over Zootopia anyways and I've been posting about it less and less. There are so many other films for me to look forward to discussing that I don't need to keep wasting my time with that film or you.

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In the end, I prefer Moana.
It has more emotional settings that resonate with me.
Zootopia's final reveal and ending just feels cliche too, while Moana final fight feels original and twisting the whole genre on its head.

Zootopia has best world building though, but I almost cry in joy when the ancient voyagers scene in Moana playing, and when the villain's true form revelation.

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Hm... I don't think I can rank them; I adored them both in equal but totally different ways :)

With Zootopia, I thought the animation was absolutely adorable, the dialogue and humor were some of the best in any Disney movie (I swear, the Flash scene at the DMV makes me die laughing every. single. time. with the slow motion reaction to Nick's joke  ), and I loved that they introduced very important, serious current issues to a young audience in such a clever way. The issue of racism is a lot more complex than Disney could ever reeeally fully delve into, but as a starting point for younger kids I think it was hugely successful. Basically, Zootopia was the Disney movie of this year that really took the brand to new and exciting places.

Moana, as has been mentioned in almost every review, isn't exactly something hugely new- it's pretty much your standard Disney princess plot setup. That said, imo it take the very best of that formula, updates it with a lot of beautiful cultural sensitivity that hadn't so much been there previously, and I for one LOVE that it draws on all the best princess movies from the Renaissance era! Zootopia has me laughing and was super clever, but Moana just straight up made me feel. It gave me such goosebumps at certain moments (the whole We Know the Way scene and Know Who You Are in particular), and was absolutely stunning visually. So was it as original as Zootopia? Nah. Do I adore the heck out of it anyway for exactly what it is, and how much it harkens back to the Disney of my childhood? Heck yes! And lest that sound like it's just pure nostagia that makes me love it, it's not... if I'd never seen any of the Renaissance Disney movies, I'd still find this one stunning. It just makes me really happy that the little kids today will have Moana to grow up on like I had Little Mermaid, The Lion King, Mulan, etc. :)

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