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Fargo Season 5 - insufferable woke garbage


You thought S4 was woke? That was nothing compared to this festering turd, which has forever slimed this once great series and made Fargo a show to avoid.

Every white male is either evil or a pathetic weakling. For a show set in Minnesota they couldn't have one straight white male role model??

All heroes were either women and/or minorities. Dot is a tiny woman and yet is easily able to take down multiple beefy white males three times her size as if she’s swatting flies.

Where did she get her Steven Seagal special forces skills from? Nowhere. Just pure Gurl Power 🤦🏻‍♂️

The other heroes are all minorities. In Minnesota. Our hero cop is an Indian woman who is married to a white man who is, of course, an evil slob who does nothing all day except spend her money, racking up huge debts, while berating her for not serving him sufficiently. Added to which he is cheating on her with a morally feeble attractive white woman.

Another hero cop is a black man. He dies, and it’s revealed that he had six sisters. Dot says ‘no wonder he was so nice’ 🤮

Then there are two heroic FBI agents. One’s an Iranian guy and the other looks like an Iranian lesbian.

The main villain is of course a white male Christian conservative who quotes the bible as he beats women, grooms teenagers and murders innocent people. He’s unable to sexually satisfy his young wife and is into humiliating kink stuff. He and his goober son are a demented Leftist’s wet dream vision of conservatives.

The worst act of wokeness, which pushed this way over the line, was the disgusting and blatant anti-Trump messaging. The villain watches a Trump speech on TV and mutters in approval, and when he summons an army of conservatives online you can read ‘MAGA baby!’ messages 🤦🏻‍♂️ I’ve never seen such sickening partisan propaganda in a show before. Noah Hawley is an evil sack of shit.

Then there’s the small stuff. Dot’s daughter is called ‘Scotty’. The villain comments on the absurdity of the girl having a boy’s name. Notice how the evil character is given those words, so if you’re also not onboard with gender-bending young kids then you must be evil too!

‘Toxic masculinity’ is everywhere, there’s even a long tracking shot of the villain set to some cover of Britney Spears’ ‘Toxic’ 🤮

Let that sink in.

Hard to believe this insipid woke bilge was written by the same guy who made the excellent first three seasons.

The female villain of course switches sides and turns good, joining Dot and Officer Patel in the Gurl Power club. Reminded me of the godawful ending of Spy, when all the women share a wink - we’re all sisters after all, you see, men are the real villains 🤦🏻‍♂️

Trumpian language like ‘deep state’ is given to the villain, as is ‘witch hunt’, to which our sassy Iranian lesbian smugly replies ‘witch hunts were men hunting women to keep them in line’. You seriously have to wonder if Hawley is on the deep state payroll with devious moves like that.

It’s such a shame because S5 was clearly an attempt to return to the classic style of the series after the ‘experimental’ S4. What they failed to realise is that what really sank S4 was its irritating wokeness. Instead of pulling back on that Hawley has hit the accelerator, and crammed woke so far down the throat of S5 it becomes painful to watch, and squanders what could have been a glorious return to form.

This hateful and devious slice of propaganda posing as entertainment paints a nasty picture of Noah Hawley. He really pulled a bait-and-switch on us. Well, I won’t be watching him take another dump on the good name of Fargo. I’m out.

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She never used unbelievable physical force. She used her brain and luck.

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Just… wrong. You can’t ‘use’ luck, and she often physically overpowered large men, take that beefy male nurse who she grabbed by the nostrils, knocked out and hog-tied to a stretcher for example.

And where did all her Steven Seagal fighting and survival tactics come from? It’s never explained. She’s just instantly the world’s greatest Mary Sue.

It’s terrible agenda-driven writing and you’d do well not to embarrass yourself by trying to defend it.

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The religion of wokism doesn't allow for nuance. Without nuance, intelligent storytelling is impossible.

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Why is it such a big deal for you? It was an amazing story, told absolutely brilliantly. I assume you're american, cause you just keep looking for stuff like that. It's like black and white people. I don't even notice. As long as you keep looking out for such things, you'll always find something, even if unintentionally.
Yes, it was mostly women who were in the lead, but I didn't realize it until reading your comment. But guess what... I REALLY enjoyed the show, and that's all that matters to me! 10/10 for this season!

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It’s a ‘big deal’ because a once-great series has been hijacked by a disgusting sexist, racist political agenda which spoils it.

A more pertinent question to ask is why peddling this agenda is so important to the creators.

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I'm not sure how much of a big deal it is -- watch it or don't, or more to the point , one can watch it KNOWING the agenda of the makers but still enjoying other aspects of it -- but I've been watching some OTHER Fargo seasons -- plus the original movie, and I want to point this out:

In both Season One of the series(with Billy Bob Thornton as the villain) and Season Three of the series(with David Thewlis as the villain), we have the smart female cop either passed over for Chief(Season One) or demoted FROM Chief(Season Three) and blocked at every turn by a ..wait for it...white male chief who refuses to investigate the truth and stops the smart female cop from doing so. The "blocking" chief in Season One is Bob Odenkirk(playing HIS villain rather as a scared schmuck) and the "blocking" chief in Season Three is Shea Whigham (playing HIS villain as an ex-Iraq soldier bully and tyrant.)

Anyway, exact same set-up in two seasons: witless bully male chief stupidly thwarts our super-smart heroine cop.

And I guess we're told: take it or leave it. But its not very creative.

Meanwhile, back at the Coen brothers' classic(with the Oscar winning script and performance by Frances McDormand as cop Marge Gunderson), that Marge is a capable and respected cop in her office is a given, all through the movie she goes about her business and nobody comes down on her at all -- male or otherwise -- on the force. Moreover, she stands up to a big tough Native American ex-con, the weaselly William H. Macy and a murderous villain, with the same competance each time.

I would have to agree that the movie had no political agenda, and the series does, but again, that's Hollywood today -- at least at TV level where the talent isn't quite movies, most of the time. To me, the "matching pair" of bully male boxx/smart female cop storylines in Seasons 1 and 3 reveals some sort of creative bankruptcy.

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Otherwise, I like the Fargo TV seasons for other things: the great casts, some pretty good dialogue, great atmosphere and music("borrowed" from the classic movie), some good suspense and good action.

Season Two -- which had the least of a political agenda -- was the most suspenseful, action-packed and exciting. Nothing like a good gang war to stoke the fires.

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After some thought, I return to offer an example of a scene from another revered cable series -- more revered than Fargo maybe -- which set up a "woke" scenario and turned it on its head.

The series is "Mad Men," which looked at the high-paying world of NYC advertising, but across the 1960s. The story opened in 1960 and ended in 1970.

Near the end of the series -- in the 1969/1970 period-- the show's "business-wise va-va-voom redhead" -- Joan Holloway -- went up against a new, bullying corporate boss and demanded a raise equal to other partners on staff(I think.) She summoned up the fact that if he didn't give it to her, she would "tell my story to Gloria Steinem or maybe Betty Friedan and get it put in the New York Times." (Know feminist leaders of the time.)

A "woke" show would pull up some uplifting applause music and watch the boss crumble and Joan get that raise and strut out of the room in triumph as the bad boss threw something across the room.

"Mad Men" simply had the boss tell Joan, "The New York Times survives on advertisers from among our clients. If you try that expose, we will threaten to pull our ads from the Times. They won't print anything."

And then he fires Joan.

That was then and this is now, but Mad Men knew to look clearly at the realities of 1969, at least. They didn't go for the "applause scene." Nuance.

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Yes, there was a dose of woke in seasons 1 - 3 but it was tempered by having at least one major straight white male character who was a role model or at the very least a decent person the audience could sympathise with.

Equally, you might see evil non-white characters like Bokeem Woodbine’s killer in S2.

That’s enough for me to look the other way when it comes to things like the suspiciously sexist portrayal of cops.

Seasons 4 and especially 5 had no such redeeming qualities, they are pure sexist, racist hate-films and, in the case of 5, utterly grotesque party-political propaganda.

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Well, I think it is incumbent on those who create fictionalized entertainment to decide how much of a "propaganda story" they wish to tell. You rightly point out that things were more balanced in Seasons 1-3 than 5. I have not seen 4 (I probably will now, I just sort of lost track of the series when COVID came.)

If the decision IS made to "strongly pick a side," then surely audience members who are ON that side are going to love the drama. Then it becomes a question of ratings..or not(I don't particularly think ratings drive political filmmaking -- the statement is its own reward.)

What rather stunned me was watching the original movie(just last week) and comparing it to the various seasons of the show. A political statement -- one way or the other -- simply wasn't on the minds of the Coens when they carefully wrote and carefully made their 1996 unique comedy-thriller(which shares this with the series: everybody talks funny, but extremely cruel things take place and many totally innocent people are killed by the bad ones.)

I was also a bit "bemused" to see how rampantly the series pillaged the original movie -- and OTHER Coen movies for "Easter Egg" scenes, as if "bowing to the omniiscence of the original texts." Season Three had a re-do of the innocent witnesses driving by a crime scene , being chased down by the killer, and executed(Fargo the movie.) Season Three also had a direct reference to the scene in The Big Lebowski where Sam Elliott materializes in the bowling alley next to Jeff Bridges. (Here, a guy from Twin Peaks materializes in a bowling alley next to Mary Elizabeth Winstead.)

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About Mary Elizabeth Winstead --now THERE's a gorgeous protagonist for a Fargo season. Alongside Ewan MacGregor. The two would become a real-life couple after meeting on Fargo...and marry. Just like Kirsten Dunst and Jesse Plemons became a reall-life couple after meeting on Fargo Season Two...and marry. What romantic sets the Fargo series must cater!

I'm going off on tangents here, but I suppose my point is that one can take or leave the political viewpoint of the makers of Fargo the series. It is literally neither here nor there AS LONG AS everything else is entertaining -- the overall plots, the acting(great actors have dotted all of the series -- great PERSONALITIES.)

I just sort of tune the political stuff out.

PS. I mentioned above a scene in "Mad Men" where va-va-voom Joan demands a raise(as a partner) from her new boss and threatens a New York Times article with quotes from Gloria Steinem and Betty Freidan. Not only does the boss refuse -- and fire him -- he makes a vague reference to WHY Joan was made a partner at her other firm. And he's RIGHT. She was given the partnership as payment for sleeping with a fat client who requested that payment to give the firm his business. She based her partnership on sex. "Mad Men" looked at the total picture -- the real picture. Now, Joan would go off on her own and become a very successful business woman but the show was clear-eyed about her in 1969 America.

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PPS. Another "woke" infusion to a classic movie(more classic than Fargo even) came with the series "Bates Motel," based on Hitchocck's seminal 1960 slasher movie.

SPOILER FOR PSYCHO: In the movie, a beautiful woman is stabbed to death in the shower of a room in a motel(with no other customers) by an old woman in gray hair and flowered dress. At the film's climax, we learn that the "old woman" was a man in a dress and wig: motel keeper Norman Bates(Anthony Perkins.) A psychiatrist later explains that Norman dressed as his dead mother not for any sort of "sexual change," but rather to keep alive the illusion of his mother being alive(he had murdered her, the guilt was too much.)

In a series of episodes near the end of the "Bates Motel" run, the African-American singer Rihanna was introduced as "Marion Crane" (the name of Janet Leigh in the movie) and committed an embezzlment much like Leigh did in the movie, and ended up at the Bates Motel as in the movie.

But then came the twists: THIS Marion took HER shower and survived, and went on her way. Later, a white male(based on John Gavin's Sam Loomis in the orignal) took a shower at the Bates Motel and WAS stabbed to death by Norman Bates(Freddie Highmore here) -- except Norman is dressed in his street clothes as a man.

The showrunners told the press that they felt having Norman commit the murder in drag would offend the trans community.

Which sort of removed the horror of the original tale. Hitchocck didn't have Anthony Perkins commit HIS shower murder in male street clothes. All the horror drained out here.

So add it up: race-switched Marion Crane. Naked woman doesn't get stabbed the shower, naked man(and an unsympatheic one) does. No drag element to the killing.

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Someone will write: "Well, why not, why not have some fun turning the original premise on its head?" That might be OK for general storyteliing reasons, but when the changes were made "so as not to offend"...well..welcome to showrunning in the 21st Century.

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There’s no way I can ‘tune out’ the vile political propaganda and evil sexism and racism peddled by Noah Hawley in his later Fargo seasons.

I will call out his bullshit and warn others to stay away from his woke, partisan garbage.

His utter contempt for the audience cannot go unpunished.

Thank you for warning me about the wokery in Bates Motel. I’ll be steering clear of that turd.

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tl;dr: "wah, wah, wah"

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👆🏻 Here comes a salty woke bitch, mad that I called out her evil cult…

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I bet you say "wOke MinD vIruS" with a straight face.

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I’m sure you do.

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"no, u"

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What?

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You're dumb as fuck. Is that clear enough for you?

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It's astounding that anyone is still surprised to encounter shout-outs to Wokeness in contemporary entertainment

Even an ostensible throwback to the raunchy comedies of the not-too-distant past like Anyone But You had to feature a lesbian couple getting married

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What kind of psychotic moron supports woke?

I miss natural selection.

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"What kind of psychotic moron supports woke?"

Many captains of industry and chiefs of non-profit organizations throughout America, sadly

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What type of moron supports woke? Did you get hit too hard in the head on 1/6? You think everything needs to be white/male? You're a racist bigot that needs to be put down. Stay in your little Ozark Mountain hole and try to go easy on the Moonshine. It's rotting your brain.

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You’re not in a position to call anyone a ‘dumb fuck’, you’re a screaming woke bitch. Do you know how dense and weak a human being needs to be… to be a shrieking wokist like yourself?

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"Every white male is either evil or a pathetic weakling."

Kinda like what every woman or minority has had to deal with for countless decades in Hollywood, at the expense of white males? I wonder did you complain then.

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What a crock of shit!

You’re inventing a history of oppression so that you can justify the hateful attack on innocent white males as some form of righteous revenge. Evil woke turd.

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Mad, and ignorant. Not surprising at all.

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It’s typical of you deranged cultists to pathologise dissent.

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Im going to have to disagree with you as well.

You are being willfully ignorant to ignore the countless films, or protagonists within a film, that were women or minorities that were protrayed as smart capable and good people. Sam Jackson said "Quentin always writes my characters as being a smart person". Speilberg made The Color Purple. C.C.H. Pounder has been awesome and holding her own in pretty much everything I've seen her in. Remember Sigourney Weaver in Aliens? "Get away from her YOU B!TCH"! had audiences fawning!

It seems like recently they have been pushing this rewrite of history that women and minorities have NEVER been treated right or represented respectfully when thats not true. I think they are pushing this as a way to cause division and keep us fighting.

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Good points. I did like the dialogue though. Some good writing by Noah Hawley.

"Dot is a tiny woman and yet is easily able to take down multiple beefy white males three times her size as if she’s swatting flies."

Yeah, that was nonsense. Dot is small.

I've seen this before. Sarah Shahi in Person of Interest taking on 2-4 large men mano-a-mano and easily winning. Nah, that doesn't happen in real life.

Now that you mention it the white guys are unworthy of respect. Dot's husband is ridiculous. Jon Hamm's character was a badass but he was also portrayed as a villain who is Christian.

Yeah, good post.


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It was so crammed with woke messaging it was hard to catch all of it, but I tried.

If you want a chuckle, look at all these wokists desperately trying to gaslight me into believing it wasn’t woke:

https://moviechat.org/tt2802850/Fargo/65619e854407527f73b4a478/Is-Season-5-woke

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Meh, I'm conservative but I don't let this crap bother me. I just enjoy the show, and I really enjoyed Season 5.

Network TV bothers me more with "in your face" racism and effeminate homosexuals. [See: A Million Little Things]. At least the writers here are more subtle, so it takes a more observant and thoughtful viewer like yourself to get riled up.

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I found the woke in Fargo S5 to be aggressive and in-your-face, especially the direct anti-Trump propaganda. I felt disgusted watching it, which was all the worse because of how good seasons 1 to 3 were.

I haven’t seen A Million Little Things or any Network TV, sounds dreadful.

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