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Is the Russian system really this corrupt?


It's a film, yes, so it may be prone to exaggeration, but how truthful is its portrayal of corruption within Russia? Are mayors basically local mafia bosses? Is the Russian Orthodox Church another facet of this corruption? I enjoyed the movie but at times it seemed completely unrealistic considering Russia is a developed nation.

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Russia is actually a hundred times more corrupt than it's depicted in the film.
Same thing is in Ukraine

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IMO, all government and power systems are corrupt. Here in America, large corporations and super rich people can contribute unlimited funds to politicians, so that they in effect pay to put politicians in office. This means that the politicians owe their jobs to that one person or corporation, not the people of the district, and are there in office as long as the politician does the bidding of the corporation or rich person.

I'm not sure that is exactly corruption, since I suppose it's legal. But it's a form of corruption in that the politician doesn't do the job they profess and pledge to do. They are lackies for rich people or corporations, instead.

We have imminent domain in the U.S. The govt can take your property for certain reasons, and there's nothing you can do about it.

The Russian system is probably no less corrupt than ours.

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Um, it's eminent domain. But, yes, it's evil and a product of both political sides and should be abolished.

Also, while a "rich person" does have the right to contribute any monies he want's to a campaign, he only gets one vote. A poor educated voter is not coerced into voting for either candidate. A corporation can't buy a politician into office -that's ridiculous. You have so many hippies on the street protesting anything they can, they are going to vote democrat no matter what, which the corporations shouldn't want. So, no logic to your statement. I know they are both idiotic so I don't vote, but you've got you anger misdirected.

But, our system is nowhere as corrupt as a truly communist or socialist system (such as Russia). Any whiny, white guilt liberal who states otherwise is doing so just to commiserate and sound "hip" that he too knows what suffering and corruption feel like. The goes for the goofy religious conservatives in this country as well.

Finally, the people in Russia seem great (from the few I've met and the books I've read). I would love to see and visit the country - but it just doesn't seem like they truly know what kind of political system they want. And they keep getting duped into corrupt governments. Truly corrupt government.

Although I will admit with the Bushes, Obama's and Clinton's we are sure moving that way. Please don't reelect either in 2016!

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That is what Russia was called in the 18th Century. While the Atlantic coast nations prospered - Holland, The UK, France, Russia was a mixture of its own self and the World around her. The Russia Royal Family intermixed and married with the gentry in the rest of the World. Russia was always struggling to prove herself. In World War One, Russia was way behind and got hurt badly. This lead to a revolution. This, in turn, led to a horrible period of insecurity, idealism, and nationalism that mostly hurt a lot of innocent people. Stalin didn't do much of anything during World War Two, but by 1943 the USSR was finally asserting itself as a force to be reckoned with. In the 1980s, an article stated that the USSR could take over western Europe in 72 hours if they tried to. Then, the wall came down. Why? Mostly, because Russia had embraced the utopian ideals of Marx which basically denied human reality in favor or utopian dreams. The Nomenclature had become corrupt and it was no long tenable. Has the "free market" helped Russia. It is another story of growing pains. There is a plus side to "western freedom", but there is also a big downside to "western freedom". Russia still struggles with wealth and poverty. Although, in Russia employers care more about their employees than in my country, The USA. Russia is not the only example of a country that has struggled with self esteem. North Korea happened, because the Korean people had been invaded for centuries. When the Japanese brought "Westernism" into their country it was a destructive thing to their psyche. Hence, we have North Korea today. China was a horribly humiliated country until The Revolution. However, utopian ideals caused a lot of damage to, and created a cult of Mao. People talk down President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, but hate him or not, a lot of Africa looks upon him as the alternative to "outsiders" interfering in their internal affairs and bringing chaos once again.
So, is Russia corrupt? I don't know much about Russia today. I do know that in the USA we suffer from too much. Too much money and power causes people to become selfish. People are always talking about their rights and freedom in my country, but very little respect and appreciation of history and tradition. After all, The USA was built upon stealing land from two hundred ethnic groups that were already here and did not need us to come in and "civilize" them.

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Are you kidding? If Romanian in the 1990s is any measure, and it surely must be, then the Russians have got it really, really bad.

Don't also forget that the great masses are easily manipulated, brainwashed into supporting a current invasion into 'nazi' (!?) Ukraine.

So yeah, the place must be horrible, and the corruption must be you know, to metastasis level

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"Is the Russian system really this corrupt?"
- no, it's worse!

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This thread is laughable. Corruption is not even a big part of the film.

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^Has this film mixed up with the fishing documentary.

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Romtomkon, random question but does your last name end in -utin and your first name start with a V?

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No, my friend. My first name starts with a J and last name ends -lin. V__ __utin is my grandson and I'm very proud of him.

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I would be too

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Take a look at this news:

In the city, where they filmed "Leviathan", businessman shot the mayor, his deputy and committed suicide

https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&pre v=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.znak.com%2Fmoscow%2 Farticles%2F16-01-12-00%2F103433.html&edit-text=

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