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This was, uhm, not that terrible.

posted 7 years ago by [deleted]
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the story was pretty uninspiring, what with them spending the entire movie just running from the empire or whatever the baddies are calling themselves now.

The luke storyline I actually didn't have a problem with. Made sense that he'd be in a bad way considering how things went with his Jedi academy.

There just weren't any big memorable set pieces like Han's rescue from Jabba or the battle of Hoth. It was just forgettable. The kind of story you'd expect from one of the comic books, not one of the big movies.

[–] darkpast (9028) 7 years ago

definitely the worst of the Disney Era

[–] lolkatz (498) 7 years ago

No, it's the best of the Disney Era. Rogue One was a stinker, but let me guess, you looooved Rogue One, right? Pretty much explains where the TLJ-bashers come from. I bet you think prequels were better than TLJ as well (LOL!!!).

[–] Rorikon (18389) 7 years ago

If only you saw A Wrinkle in Time... oh boy.

[–] fc31 (6122) 7 years ago

The point is that if the focus is not white feminism, the movie could have been much better. Political agenda are ruining one of the most iconic cinematic franchise.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Feminism has nothing to do with the quality of the story. You're simply discussing casting and the names of characters.

[–] fc31 (6122) 7 years ago

A woman answers space phone in star trek caused outrage, but a black man (Finn) works as a space janitor is OK? Almost all the resistance senior leaders are white women, clearly no colored women are ever good enough. All the father figures (Snoke and Luke) in TLJ are mean, weak and beaten, but the mother figure (Leia) is wise, respectable and with inhuman capabilities (survived in space).

One thing is clear in the new star wars franchise is just how ugly white feminism (or white female supremacy) is.

[–] filmschooldegree (350) 7 years ago

Agreed

[–] Keelai (36145) 7 years ago

Agreed the movie has an agenda. But, even if it didn't, the script is still bad. There's still no continuity from the first movie. Snoke is still dead. Luke's character was assassinated. A bunch of badly written characters with scenes that add up to nothing. Even Han's death gets short shift with Luke reacting for 3 seconds and Leia not at all.

"One thing is clear in the new star wars franchise is just how ugly white feminism (or white female supremacy) is."
Not really. Don't forget the writer is a male and an untalented hack.

If fans had treated George Lucas with more respect, we wouldn't have to endure Disney Star Wars. Lucas even said the fans ruined his enjoyment of making any new experimental films. Remember, SW was always about Lucas experimenting.

[–] fc31 (6122) 7 years ago

Han is a male father figure as well, which of course means none is going to miss him.

The fates of Snoke and Luke are the main reasons why I think the movie could have been better if no white feminist agenda were involved. I think the only reason they are portrayed as weak and dead is because they are male father figures and not allowed to shine. Luke's character assassination I think is what ruined the movie.

[–] Keelai (36145) 7 years ago

"Han is a male father figure as well, which of course means none is going to miss him."

Someone pointed out that in every scene when a strong emotional moment might happen, Johnson would turn it into a "funny" scene. Notice how fast they cut a way from Luke after he found out Han had died. it's as if Johnson can't deal with real human emotions in a movie.

Star Wars always had strong female characters starting with Leia so feminism isn't the real problem. If every character was a white male, you'd still have Johnson killing off Snoke and wrecking Luke because Johnson believes he's being clever and creative by "surprising" the audience.

Notice how most of the characters in the movie didn't have anything of substance to do. Finn goes on a wild goose chase. Maz and Phasma had nothing to do. Chewie underutilized. Holdo wasn't needed. More bad writing.

Johnson and Kennedy seem to believe the only way people will accept the new characters is by killing off the original ones. (BTW, Lucas kept the original ones and introduced new ones in the popular EU books.) They believe in order to have strong females, they need to tear down the male characters which isn't what feminism is about. They also think they are being clever by having the "heroes" no longer heroic.

Arnold Schwarzenegger introduced very strong female characters in his early movies without having to weaken the male characters.

Johnson's a hack and Kennedy is incompetent.

[–] fc31 (6122) 7 years ago

I think none of the male characters was shown in positive light in the entire movie, which could be some sort of record. Finn continues to be the coward, Poe is now a hothead screwing things up, I think I said enough about Luke and Snoke. I don't think there is a female character shown in negative light either. That is more than just coincidence or incompetence, it is most likely done deliberately.

We will find out from the next movie on how people perceived this one.

[–] Keelai (36145) 7 years ago

"it is most likely done deliberately."
Agreed.

To clarify, I meant that Kennedy is incompetent for believing that bashing men is a good strategy. She doesn't realize how much it will backfire and translate to less profit. Why insult your own audience? Ditto for Johnson who wrote this mess and said he is ignoring the fans' criticism while writing the trilogy.

"We will find out from the next movie on how people perceived this one."
Many believe this movie is garbage. The question is if Abrams can fix the story continuity and have it make sense.

[–] Kalyber (61) 7 years ago

So, even the positive audience reviews are negative.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

YEt another idiot confusing who is somehow confused about Luke. He was like that AFTER the kylo incident, not before.

He should of been happy go lucky Luke who only saw the best in people and hence never tried that on Kylo.

Why are you perceiving him attributes before the Unicode time bat he only got later?

These fanfares are so dumb

[–] Arghhhh (804) 7 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[–] SoCrates (876) 7 years ago

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[–] SoCrates (876) 7 years ago

"The luke storyline I actually didn't have a problem with. Made sense that he'd be in a bad way considering how things went with his Jedi academy. "

I don't know about that. Obi Wan failed with Anakin, and the result of that was Vader killing almost every other Jedi in the galaxy. However, when he got the call from Leia, he didn't just continue sulking in his hut like a bitch. He grabbed Luke, set him on a path, and went to go try and make it right.

After watching the OT, Luke doesn't really seem like the type of guy that would just sit it out why his sister is being hunted and why people he cares about are being murdered.

Rian Johnson murdered Luke's character.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

rian will get what's coming to him.

[–] Arghhhh (804) 7 years ago

"The luke storyline I actually didn't have a problem with. Made sense that he'd be in a bad way considering how things went with his Jedi academy. "

I don't disagree with anything you're written but it's interesting that a lot of the defence for TFA was 'it will be explained in the sequel' and then a lot of the defence for TLJ is 'well it had to happen that way because of what was written in TFA'. Each one's flaws are pushed onto the other's. By some at least.

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 7 years ago

"it's interesting that a lot of the defence for TFA was 'it will be explained in the sequel' and then a lot of the defence for TLJ is 'well it had to happen that way because of what was written in TFA'. Each one's flaws are pushed onto the others."

Here here. If something goes wrong it's always the other sides' fault. And both is correct here.

TFA impossibly set up Luke as a guy who failed to prevent the same betrayal and Jedi immolation happen again. And worse, as a Jedi legend who then did not even try to redeeem and remedy the mess he created (Kylo, Jedi, Snoke) but ran away to "in the meantime" let the FO-Empire rise (to kill billions and destroy what Luke fought for in the OT - who cares?). Why? So he can hide and pout on an unfindable island, but leaving a silly mystery-map puzzle behind (usually coordinated will do in space).

TLJ just added insult to injury by going along with this by depicting Luke as a frustrated, cynical hermit loser refusing to help his family and friends and wanting the Jedi to end. He even tried to kill his young nephew in his sleep because he felt future "evil".

TFA and TLJ both neglegeted to tell us how OT-Luke became such a murderous and cowardly ST-character. So the blame lies with both movies, but IMO more with TFA as I cannot think one way to intelligently explain the absurd set up in TFA.

[–] Quint (959) 7 years ago

Luke is a jedi. And the Jedi academy was even destroyed at Star Wars III. And did Obi Wand become an grumpy old man :) ? No, cause JEdis arent ordinary people. They are enlightend and wise guys! Thats why Luke isnt Luke at all at thsi movie. Hes Jake Skywalker (as stated by Mrk Hamill).