And this is not Joaquin Phoenix version?
Just checking. The film didn't have quite the same level of maturity as The Joker, not sure this version of the Joker would fit this world. But at the same time its confusing having a 'The Joker' film followed by a reboot 'The Batman' film if not tied together in the same universe...
DC... what a mess.
I don't know why you're singling out DC.
Marvel: Spider-Man movies (2002-2007) aren't part of the universe. The Amazing Spider-Man movies (2012-2014) aren't part of the universe. They then reboot Spider-Man with Tom Holland. Then suddenly in the third Tom Holland film, the two previous Spider-Man man series come into play.
Then you have Deadpool 1+2 that had nothing to do with the MCU, and now they're going to implement him into the world.
X-Men has nothing to do with the current MCU movies. Then Logan was pretty much a completely different movie from the X-Men series. That's not even including X-Men: Origins.
The Incredible Hulk (2008) has nothing to do with Hulk (2003).
Here we go...
Enough defending DC. Marvel have done something no studio has ever done, what they have pulled off since Ironman has been nothing short of cinematic history. The complex aspects of doing something like this is mind blowing and so of course they have had some hurdles in the way, but even then they have done a tremendous effort on pulling things together (like this recent Spiderman flick which attempts to tie in nicely the Toby and Andrew sagas), and I believe the legal ties for X-men are coming to an end with Xavier being featured in soon to release movies.
DC on the other hand, a hot mess of reboots after reboots without any of the complexities that Marvel had to endure. I love DC comics as much as the next but Marvel just translates so much better and easier to the screen than DC. DC is tougher and they have had less talent and vision behind the wheel.
But anyway, I'm not even talking about Marvel, I'm simply saying for DC to release a Joker film and Batman (both reboots) in such close succession to one another but to have them unrelated is just bizarre af imo. I am sure I was not the only one thinking at the end of the film a 'wtf... it's another NEW Joker?!?! How many are they going to do?!'.
No foresight or cooperation at all. Missed opportunities again!
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Joker
That's it, that's all that DC have done that is good (and very good at that) since 2005.
And as it is now its just isolated flicks, no follow-ons, dead end films.
Enough defending DC.
DC on the other hand, a hot mess of reboots after reboots
The complex aspects of doing something like this is mind blowing and so of course they have had some hurdles in the way
I'm simply saying for DC to release a Joker film and Batman (both reboots) in such close succession to one another but to have them unrelated is just bizarre af imo
The Batman and Joker are two of the better superhero movies to come out in recent years, though. This isn't a mess, this is (I'd say) finding their footing a bit more.
shareBut that's the point, they are not bad films!, Joker in fact was excellent, but they are now completely unrelated?!! wtf... that's the POINT. It's a mess because DC is running what... another two Gotham universes side by side? :/
Are we now to expect ANOTHER NEW BATMAN to tie into the Joker film?! Or... was that a one off? Seems like it now... bizarre, and it wouldn't be so bizarre if not for the fact that DC seem unable to progress at all with anything, its reboot after reboot. Right now DC is like Jane Eyre, "let's do ANOTHER adaptation! YAY!"
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with additional adaptations of Jane Eyre.
Having a shared cinematic universe is not a requirement. Frankly, I wish Marvel wasn't hellbent on connecting every property that they have.
Exactly. Because of Marvel wanting to connect every movie, they've generally become the same movie. They'll all have the same colour schemes, the same sense of humour, none of them will be rated R.
shareI'm really hoping superhero films can move in a direction to show that "superhero" is not a genre. But you're right, due to the MCU branding, MCU movies are gonna feel more similar than not. Eternals wasn't that great, but I liked it enough, and I appreciated that it attempted to be different. Course, it didn't do well, lol so I wouldn't be surprised of Eternals 2 does to E1 what Thor3 did to Thor.
shareI've always considered superhero movies as action. I only bring up them being superhero movies as a specific, like if someone is aksimg for my top superhero movies.
shareOh yeah, totally understandable. I just threw that out cause it was my first thought when you were like "same color schemes" and "same sense of humor". So I'm like, yeah, I wanna see superhero films tackle different things, different types of action, and stuff that's not action too!
I loved what Logan did. That was not your typical superhero action film.
I appreciated what The New Mutants tried to do (I feel like it would have been much better had Fox not told the direction not to make a horror movie originally).
And here we are, The Batman is basically a 3 hour episode of Criminal Minds XD
I'd like to see a darker or grittier Marvel movie like Logan, but I don't think that's going to come anytime soon.
shareWell-said.
In anticipation of Joel Coen's Macbeth I watched about six different versions of it. I got my Shakespeare ON. You know what I'm *still* not tired of? Macbeth. It's a brilliant story partly because it bears reimagining again and again and again. Batman's the same way.
And, yes, I too am a bit relieved of the burden of the "shared universe" thing.
I pray Joker was a one off. But b/c it made a billion dollars, I doubt it. They'll do it even without Phoenix/Phillips.
shareAh. I misunderstood what you were driving at.
I don't mind two separate universes. I don't mind standalone films. I find them to be a breath of fresh air after a decade (more?) of studios trying to fire up "cinematic universes" with everything from Star Wars to Ghostbusters. I'd rather watch new, standalone adaptations with good takes on characters than watch DC try to fail-start another DCEU.
Even considering the MCU as the model they're all trying to mimic, it didn't start out with tied-in films, it started with standalones that - once successful - they wove together. What DC should do is find visionary filmmakers who can bring successful visions of other characters to the screen and then do Justice League (attempt number 2) - which is what they should have done in the first place.
I really enjoyed The Joker and The Batman and the last thing I want is for them to combine them.
shareThat is an unexpected reaction. Why not?
Fans are usually excited about these kind of things.
The Joker is too realistic to be combined with bullet-proof (and explosion-proof!) Batman in one movie.
shareIt would have been a mind-blow moment had Joaquin been at the end. As it is, it was such a dud of an addition.
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