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Why are Consrvatives such bad artists?


At least the left can make good propaganda. Conservatives just make garbage

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The Left makes dogshit propaganda full of crude messaging, trannies and gay sex.

Conservatives make The Sistine Chapel.

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No child, they don't.

The lefts "propaganda" is full of truth. It's why the right hates it so much.

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Are you referring to things like the "truth" that a boy can become a girl just by growing out his hair, pumping himself full of estrogen and telling people his new name is Lisa?

When you consider some of the nonsense the Left is saying today, I hope it seems apparent that the Left is actually about subverting truth, not upholding it.

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Yes child, Trans people do exist. Sorry you are so stupid.

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I do understand that delusional people who think they're something that they're not exist. What does not exist is the ability to change your gender.

The very fact that you've already devolved to insults is evidence enough that you are without actual arguments.

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The only delusional one here is you, bigot child.

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You are only further proving that the Left is not about truth, but rather is aggressively anti-truth.

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Oh but child, they are about truth. It's the right that is anti-truth and has a Presidential candidate who lies all the time

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Insults is their only resort. It's pathetic.
They shouldn't come to a mental discussion unarmed, and yet....

They are not worth your time waste. Their delusion is permanent.

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The right always accuse every movie of having trans people but that’s pretty rare, unless it’s an indie film specifically about a trans person. Name one mainstream blockbuster that has a sex change in it.

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Your premise…

The right always accuse every movie of having trans people

…is utter bullshit. Why on earth would I run around for an example of a deranged idea you pulled out of your own ass? The Left are unbelievably obnoxious and insane.

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Lol please. You’re deluded. You quite literally say β€œ The Left makes dogshit propaganda full of crude messaging, trannies and gay sex.” so, name one mainstream blockbuster that has trannies, a sex change, or gay sex. Stop deflecting. Any Marvel movies? Is there gay sex in Star Wars?

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You’re doing it again you obnoxious, insane fucktard - I didn’t mention Star Wars, Marvel, or even mainstream blockbusters - I’m not running around for examples to support ideas you pulled out of your own deluded ass. You’re incapable of having an honest discussion.

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Are you retarded or something? I’m the one who brought up Star Wars and the MCU. What other blatantly obvious shit should I explain for you? The sky is blue? The ocean is water?

Just admit you’re coping because you liked this atrociously made movie. I called you out for your bullshit statement and you think your insults will make me concede. This is one of the funniest republican copes I’ve ever seen on the interwebs. Keep it up! It’s unfunny seeing the β€œunoffendables” get offended.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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β€œ The Left makes dogshit propaganda full of crude messaging, trannies and gay sex.”

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Very good quote, but doesn’t answer my question.

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Don't you (Melton) know that kind of language repels the majority of people who are very civil on here? It naturally leads them to conclude that you are ill-educated, I'll-mannered, possibly even a child?

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You can take your language policing and shove it up your ass. That shitstain was being obnoxious and straw-manning β€˜the right’ - that kind of scummy deceit warrants exactly the response he got.

You want to be treated nicely? Be nice, and tell the truth.

The irony of you talking about being β€˜very civil’ within your unbelievably obnoxious and condescending post is clearly lost on you, and don’t go thinking you speak for β€˜the majority’ of people here. You’re a demented ideologue and the only people who agree with you are a small cluster of deranged Leftists.

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There was a lesbian kiss at the end of The Rise of Skywalker.

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I was thinking Otto with Tom Hanks or the Crying Game. But the OP was pretty artful in the wording of his challenge by limiting it to movies that were β€œmainstream blockbuster[s] that ha[ve] a sex change in it…” Those extremely specific qualifications seem carefully chosen so he could technically reject every movie we name that answers the challenge.

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"Conservatives make The Sistine Chapel"

Thanks for the laugh. I can just imagine Rush Limbow and Glam Beck on their backs with a brush and pallette!

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Haha!

No.

Now imagine Michelangelo and all of the religious conservative artists painting/sculpting the greatest art in history and then marvel at what a dumb fuck the OP must be for criticising them, and how much of a complete dildo you must be for bolstering his moronic position! πŸ˜ƒ

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Michelangelo was totally gay.

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So?

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So he wouldn’t have been a conservative.

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They don't challenge their audience to make them think. The main characters in these films are always justified in who they are and what they do. Characters who dissent are depicted as villainous and godless secularists. They preach to the choir and reaffirm what the audience already believe.

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There's some truth to what you say, but the way that I will put it is that conservatives miss movies with real heroes and strong moral messaging that upholds traditional American--and Christian--values.

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And there's a way to do that, and still be entertaining and good. Either the filmmakers are not talented enough to craft such a film, or they cater too much to their audience.

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Conservative filmmakers, and films, are getting better. I actually saw Reagan yesterday and quite liked it. It may not be a masterpiece but it's a solid piece of craftsmanship, especially considering the very low $25 million budget.

A few other films that fall into the "conservative" bucket that I think are genuinely good would include The Passion of the Christ, The Sound of Freedom and Risen.

There are also plenty of Hollywood films that, while perhaps not overtly conservative, do uphold what I would regard as traditional values, but those were much more common in the 20th century than they are in the 21st.

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Now, those films are good, especially The Passion of the Christ. I think the OP is referring to films like the "God's Not Dead" series which depict Christianity being attacked, and often include hammy performances and TV production values.

"The Chosen" is another Christian-themed project that's actually good because the creators allowed the characters to be flawed, and go for a realistic approach. The biopic "I Can Only Imagine" is also pretty good because the storytelling was well done.

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Yes, The Chosen is pretty good. My parents and I have watched every season. I'm not sure how much of a directorial career Dallas is going to have after the show is over, but he's at least proven himself suitable for that project. (He also has directed an upcoming adaptation of The Best Christmas Pageant Ever. You can find the trailer on YT. Frankly I think it looks like a Hallmark movie.)

The Jesus Revolution is another Christian film that was well-made and has some real talent behind it, and if you like sports dramas American Underdog was solid.

And while not everything Affirm Films has done has been a winner, a lot of their projects have been pretty high quality.

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A few other films that fall into the "conservative" bucket that I think are genuinely good


"Forrest Gump" is pro-Conservative and so is, believe it or not, "Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood." There are many other pro-Conservative flicks that are wisely subtle about it and therefore escape the wrath of Lefties while entertaining (and enlightening) the masses. Even "Pulp Fiction" has a pro-Christian message.

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You are really dumb.

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Your debate skills are impressive and very persuasive!

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No one wants to waste a lot of words on someone who claims Pulp Fiction was a religious movie, LOL!

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I didn't say it was "a religious movie." I said the theme was Christian-oriented; and in more ways than one:

All the bullets miraculously miss Jules (Jackson). He recognizes this as God's grace and thus turns away from -- repents of -- his murderous lifestyle while Vincent (Travolta) blithefully continues on as a thug and suffers the deadly consequences. At the end, Jules extends the grace he received to the thieving couple at the restaurant.

Elsewhere, Butch (Willis) saves the humbled Marcellus (Rhames) from the gross rapists even though he was an enemy. In other words, he risked his own hide -- which is self-sacrifice -- by 'loving his enemy'; and this broke the cycle of violence, winning Marcellus' favor. He then rides away on the borrowed motorcycle with "Grace" clearly written on the gas tank.

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Clearly, yours aren't.

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I saw Forrest Gump listed on a "conservative movies" list the other day. Afer thinking about it, Gump seems perhaps politically neutral to me but I'm not sure I really see the conservatism in it. Explain it to me.

As for Pulp Fiction, I actually have thought about that before. I know that QT himself is not a believer, and manufacturing a Bible quote certainly does not show reverence to the Word, but you're right that you can find some fundamental Christian concepts in the film.

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"Forrest Gump" contrasts the life choices of mentally-challenged-but-wise Forrest with that of Jenny, who becomes a 'free-lovin' hippie. The latter leaves her dubious lifestyle when she sees the error of it, but eventually has a relapse and pays with AIDs.

Meanwhile Lt. Dan suffers a great tragedy in Vietnam and "has it out" with his Creator on the boat during a storm or whatever (Psalm 55:22 & 1 Peter 5:7). He makes his peace with God and lives a fruitful life, awed by the simple wisdom of Forrest.

Lastly, the blame for America's Vietnam misstep is laid at Lyndon B. Johnson's feet, rather than Nixon's.

Tarantino may or may not be a believer, but he attended Evangelical assemblies in his youth and some biblical truths got rooted in his heart, as shown in my above post on themes featured in "Pulp Fiction." It's telling that his more recent "Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood" is decidedly Conservative in theme.

I say he "may or may not be a believer" because it's not over till it's over, regardless of where he says he's at spiritually right now. It's between him and his Maker. Only time will tell.

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Many film makers (studio heads, producers, directors, writers, actors) during the 1920s through 1960s were conservative, and many, many great movies were made during that period. The problem isn't that conservatives can't make good movies, it's that for the past few decades their access to film making has been significantly restricted, since Hollywood went completely leftist. Conservatives just don't get many chances to make mainstream movies. For the past forty years or more, most movies have been made by leftists, and a lot of them have been bad.

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I think you have some selection bias here.

People who are more liberal/left are more likely to want to go into the arts - especially arts like film, television, music, fine art, etc. So, the majority of people making movies are liberal. But that doesn't mean liberals make better movies. Clint Eastwood is an amazing filmmaker, for instance. Jimmy Stewart was a great actor. Kelsey Grammar, etc., etc. So, we can see that conservatives are capable of great art.

Furthermore, if you dive into other areas that are not "the arts" but are artistic, you can see that conservatives have no problems. Carpentry, for instance, has plenty of conservative people and you can find exquisitely carved furniture and appointments filled with creativity and aesthetic beauty.

The next layer of bias is what you're watching as "conservative art". Pureflix doesn't make art. They make propaganda films. It's like asking why the Coca-Cola Company's marketing department doesn't make great art. They are trying to trick your subconscious mind into getting thirsty when it sees a red-and-white can. There are funny or weirdly touching commercials, but by-and-large, it's the wrong industry. That's why Mel Gibson makes great movies but Pureflix doesn't: Gibson is trying to make art.

Finally, the left doesn't make good propaganda, either. When they try and shove soapbox messaging and strawman arguments into films, audiences hate that, too.

Only when an artist focuses on making the art great does it work - regardless of the core. V for Vendetta (the comic) was made by an anarchist, but doesn't read like a commercial for anarchy. It's complex, nuanced, and allows the art and story to take the centre.

And then it's just down to the fact I started with: more liberals want to make art. That is a bit of a brain chemistry thing. A brain that is more chaotic and curious is going to be drawn to liberal ideas and is going to enjoy/be great at making art.

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Pureflix doesn't make art. They make propaganda films.


The debate is complicated by the fact that most movies promote particular cause or point of view, even if it's subtle. The ones that don't are shallow entertainments.

I don't know much (or anything, really) about Pureflix, but I have no doubt that proficient filmmakers can work within the parameters of that network to create artistic works even if certain people don't agree with the message conveyed.

Take the low-budget TV movies of the 70s. There were obvious constraints that hindered the artist -- the filmmaker -- but Spielberg was able to create the impressive "Duel."

Also, just because a movie is artistic doesn't mean it doesn't contain glaring propaganda (not that you said otherwise). For instance, "American Beauty" is certainly artistic, but it contains puke-inducing propaganda of the LIEberal variety.

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Sure, a movie can contain a message - even a heavy-handed one - and still come out pretty good; that's a good point. Oliver Stone makes great movies, but it's not like Platoon is subtle.

Allow a refinement of the statement - or a re-emphasis. I made sure to include words like "strawman" and "soapbox" in my post because there's a difference between having a point-of-view or a particular "message" to send and being propaganda or an advertisement. A big part of that difference is how nuanced the subjects are treated.

Hayao Miyazaki's films contain environmentalist messages, anti-war messages, and so forth. But if you watch films like Princess Mononoke, you don't get a cardboard-cutout villain who has no good qualities, who is stupid, or who has an unreasonable point-of-view.

Or, with V for Vendetta - which I also referenced - Alan Moore might be decrying fascism, but his anarchist "hero" commits heinous acts that Moore himself condemns; his fascists are given understandable reasons for why they voted the way they did.

Propaganda and commercials don't do that. They don't have subtlety. And the closer a work moves towards a lack of nuance, the less interesting and enjoyable it is.

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Low IQs

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most conservatives still hate minorities and women, and get mad when they see minorities or women in movies. you think they'd be able to make art? that takes complex thinking skills.

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Caucasians represent only about 13-14% of Earth's population, which makes them the "minorities." Black people make up about 17-18%.

Although a country might be predominantly white, there are usually many regions where Caucasians are the minority. Harlem, Atlanta and St. Croix, for example, are predominantly black.

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we are talking about the United States, where Reagan was from. I am not American

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