Why am I loving movies that so many people hate? I thought this film was great! And I thought The Master was flat out amazing! What's happening here?
Am I becoming some film snob, hipster, or pseudo-intellectual??
Because I genuinely really liked both of these movies.
I mean I completely understand why people would hate this movie and The Master, I'm just surprised so many people do.
What's happening?
Someone explain it to me.
You've just got taste, dude, don't stress it!
shareGood works of art are never fully appreciated by plebeians.
This is always the case.
Good works of art are never fully appreciated by plebeians.
above Kubrick? I dont think so..
shareYou honestly think that Valhalla Rising is going to be remembered in the same way as Dr Strangelove, 2001 or A Clockwork Orange?
If you get in bed with the devil, sooner or later you have to fvck.
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No he does not.
shareI suspect your standards, like most of society, have been systematically lowered by the marketing and attendance in films without a plot, no morals, no real actors, inhumane torture, etc... just the truth!
shareYes, because to a conventionalist like yourself the primarily visual medium that is cinema cannot operate beyond the structural and narrative boundaries the industry has set in your mind over the course of your life. Learn to evolve and appreciate new things.
shareI loved both movies too. Reminds me, I need to watch The Master again.
shareI liked films more before I found the IMDb message boards.
shareCfinde seriously dude find yourself a hobby or spend more time discussing things you enjoy, it's fairly pathetic that you keep trying to bad mouth a movie clearly not made for your taste. This film has an audience who truley love it, who would like to discuss it without flogs like you who constantly want to start arguments.
shareBecause you're smarter and have higher standards. Very difficult to find similars in this disgraceful thing called "society".
shareWell it's about 50/50. Half of us truly love this film...and the other half are not really film lovers in the way that we are. films like this are an acquired taste, and fans of ordinary Hollywood crap are incapable of appreciating something like "Only God Forgives.." which explains why people like Tom Cruise and Michael Bay are so rich. just be happy that you have some taste...
"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'
agreed..
but I don't agree with your negative implications towards tom cruise and Michael bay. tom cruise is a terrific actor, no matter his recent career decisions, who has been just fantastic in some films (i.e. Magnolia)
and honestly shoot me for saying this but I thought the first Transformers kicked ass!!!
Ok, then you are truly a film fan, and a rare breed that can enjoy both mainstream stuff as well as arthouse films like OGF. Personally I only watch foreign/avant gard stuff, and find it hard to get into anything else; but i guess I'm kind of an elitist snob when it comes to film. However last years "Lawless" with Tom Hardy is one of my favorite high profile films. And have your seen Walter Salles' "On the Road?" That was another great film that was unfairly dismissed by seemingly everyone. What some people don't seem to understand is that "Drive," although a great film, was Nicholas Refn "selling out," in a way; it is his most commercial effort, and if you look at his catalog of work, "Drive" looks totally different from anything else he has done. "Only God Forgives" is actually Refn, returning to his original style, and I'm happy that he went back to this kind of film style. I'm sure he is getting a kick listening to all these fools bash OGF, only because these people had never heard of the guy before "Drive" came out. Refn's films are specifically for those who like to study cinema, and who have more than a casual interst in film. And "Only God forgives" is a film fanatics 'wet dream.' Of course a lot of people aren't gonna "get it.."
"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'
Drive wasn't him selling out. Only God Forgives has more in common with Drive then it does with the Pusher Trilogy or Bronson
share"Only God Forgives" is actually Refn, returning to his original style, and I'm happy that he went back to this kind of film style.
However last years "Lawless" with Tom Hardy is one of my favorite high profile films.
but i guess I'm kind of an elitist snob when it comes to film.
"How was this anything like the "Pusher" trilogy?"
Actually it wasn't similar to the Pusher trilogy. Nick Refn has directed other films besides that, but I'll assume by your question that you haven't seen "Valhalla Rising."
"How was "Lawless" a high profile film?"
well...It played in every mall cineplex in north America and stars Shia LeBeoff, and advertisements ran on every tv channel for weeks before it's premiere. If that isn't 'high profile' then perhaps you could explain what your definition of high profile is..
and finally, yes; I'm an elitist snob when it comes to film. I rarely watch anything produced in North America, and my film library consists of thousands of titles, that i have categorized by 'country of origin.' I own over 100 films from Iran, about 300 titles from Russia, and well over 500 films from Japan. I even have an entire section devoted to films from Estonia. I own about 5 films from Hollywood that are not 20 years old. my favorite director is Shuji Terayama (look it up) and I despise Quentin Tarantino. i wonder; what is YOUR definition of a film snob? Because take my word for it; you just met the King of elitist film snob pricks right here. and the fact that you you didn't appreciate "Only God Forgives" only exposes you as someone who doesn't know a lot about film, or about art in general. still, I didn't want to ignore your questions because that would have been rude. Now why don't you just run along and watch "Kill Bill" again..
"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'
I'm going to sincerely enjoy this:
Actually it wasn't similar to the Pusher trilogy. Nick Refn has directed other films besides that, but I'll assume by your question that you haven't seen "Valhalla Rising."
well...It played in every mall cineplex in north America and stars Shia LeBeoff, and advertisements ran on every tv channel for weeks before it's premiere. If that isn't 'high profile' then perhaps you could explain what your definition of high profile is..
and finally, yes; I'm an elitist snob when it comes to film.
I rarely watch anything produced in North America
the fact that you you didn't appreciate "Only God Forgives" only exposes you as someone who doesn't know a lot about film, or about art in general.
Now why don't you just run along and watch "Kill Bill" again..
Well I guess I have been succesfully bitch-slapped by a troll.. It seems like you have a lot of time on your hands, "my friend." but this is why I love this site; I get off on listening to idiotic wannabe film critics who are so convinced that they know what they are talking about, and everyone who doesn't share their feeble, textbook opinions, is just wrong. I don't know what to tell you "friend." Other than maybe you should get out more. when I hear arrogant pricks like you drone on and on about cinema, it just makes me grateful that I can still enjoy a film without getting angry. :) But I WILL have a nice day, thank you. Your words have brought a smile to my face..
"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'
Well I guess I have been succesfully bitch-slapped by a troll
I get off on listening to idiotic wannabe film critics
It seems like you have a lot of time on your hands
Other than maybe you should get out more
I don't know what to tell you "friend."
it just makes me grateful that I can still enjoy a film without getting angry. :)
Well I hate to use a trendy phrase, but in this case, I have to; Are you mad bro? Seriously dude; you haven't "corrected" me, you just stated a bunch of opinions that are different from mine. That doesn't mean you are "correct", in any of your statements. But did you enjoy your coffee at the airport? Maybe you should cut down on that caffeine; you seem very high strung, and stressed out. Incidentally, I AM proud of my film collection. I love film, just as I love great literature. It is a collection that I have been building for years..should I be ashamed of that? should I feel bad for having knowledge of rare and obscure cinema? I don't think so. And I must say, bragging about a film collection isn't NEARLY as pretentious and silly as bragging about being in an airport. Dude, I am so NOT impressed. You are speaking to someone who has spent half of their life travelling and living throughout Europe and Asia. Someone who has seen the Pyramids of Egypt. And you are drinking coffee in an airport? Who gives a sh!t?? how old are you..14? And I never insulted anyone's intelligence for liking or not liking a movie. It's not a question of 'intelligence,' but rather personal taste. and don't worry; you didn't "offend" me..I don't think you could if you tried. You are just not witty enough. But I do appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule to respond to me like this. Anyway enjoy your trip to wherever; and don't forget to sip some champagne on the flight while you pat yourself on the back and remind yourself just how amazing you are..
"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'
The level of contradiction in your post is comical. Here are facts, not opinions. It's in black and white, I just copied and pasted your comments. Those aren't opinions..."bro"
Fact Check #1
And I never insulted anyone's intelligence for liking or not liking a movie.
And I must say, bragging about a film collection isn't NEARLY as pretentious and silly as bragging about being in an airport.
I love film, just as I love great literature. It is a collection that I have been building for years..should I be ashamed of that? should I feel bad for having knowledge of rare and obscure cinema?
Are you mad bro?
don't forget to sip some champagne on the flight
I'd just like to affirm that he did bitch slap you but he's not a troll. He systematically deconstructed all of your arguments line by line and he's very clearly far more intelligent, articulate, and "witty." He undoubtedly offended you as well.
shareOh, thank you for letting me know that I was indeed 'bitch slapped' by some pompous, arrogant prick who brags about drinking latte's in airports. my favorite comment from this guy btw, was when he claimed to prefer beer to champagne. that one had me rolling on the floor because..obviously this pretentious, self important, limp wristed pansy is NOT a beer drinker. Yeah, it's easy to be "bitch slapped" by someone who is obviously a bitch. Also it was painfully obvious that he didn't like this film because he is a pussy who is sickened by a film with a little gritty violence. but i'm sure HE will be pleased that you are singing his praises; maybe you can get his phone number and you two can arrange a hotel room for a night of romance? Two pretentious bitches licking eachothers asses and discussing how intelligent they are..good luck with that..
"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'
Wow. Someone struck a nerve.
shareHonestly, yeah...that guy was quite annoying, kinda like red ants crawling up my piss slit :). But I kind of enjoy telling people off, so let me have my fun.
"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'
I just happened by, but the number of expletives in one post suggests that someone got the **** slapped out of them...
shareI will point out though how ludicrous it is to claim any particular (and 'superior') appreciation for 'film', albeit limited to many hundreds of Lithuanian, Iranian, Canaanite and presumably Mesopotamian titles, while simultaneously lauding your own lofty disregard for American cinema...
Cinema is a global dialogue, there is no hermetically sealed 'Asian' or 'Arab' cinema to be found. To classify and disregard ALL American movies and only have found five you'd ever want to see again, but five hundred Japanese, or Turkish, or whatever films you must have a long, long way to go before you can boast some superior perspective of cinema.
For example without John Ford's Westerns there would be none of the best Kurosawa's. Period. He was inspired BY Ford and indebted to him. Simultaneously without those Kurosawa's films there would be none of my favorite 'spaghetti' Westerns.
Just because it ain't American doesn't make it better, and just because it is American doesn't make it 'Hollywood'. Even 'Hollywood' films encompass vast differences and some of the best films from 'foreign' filmmakers have been made in America, in or out of 'Hollywood'. That you never found any says more about you than it does American cinema, or any other.
You clearly have a nuanced appreciation of film and feel this implies your possessing some superior taste in cinema. However, in this instance it more rightly suggests your being utterly ignorant of American cinema, having never learnt to appreciate it, so you wrongly declare it to be 'inferior'.
...ultimately making your avatar seem somewhat pompous & conceited.
Pinku you got owned. You always do. You have to be the biggest pseudo-intellectual on Imdb.
shareHe he he Pinku Pinku Pinku - You were so put in your place, I'd be a little bit embarrassed if I was you. Especially your sad attempt to gun this wonderful boarder down with a desperate attack at him replying to you in an airport, you knew and everyone knew point he was making and that point was that he didn't spend all night replying to you, he had a few minutes to kill and ripped you a new one in the most wonderful way. Also your film collection sounds really really dull and that you don't search out great films, you just decide on a far off country and buy accordingly. I don't think you actually enjoy cinema as you think you enjoy it, I think you assume you are cool because you have a bunch films from Iran. So what? You are aware that they make equally abysmal films in Iran as they do in North America, right? Just because it's from Iran doesn't make it good or superior in any way AT ALL. Remember - Simply because you have a DVD from Iran doesn't make it good. Looks like you might grown up one day and realise you don't have a very good collection. How about you start again by picking a genre you really enjoy and have a go at collecting the best films that genre has to offer and then move on to another genre? Much better than taking possible random picks simply by picking a country at random. Also, why is anyone supposed to be impressed that you organise all your torrents (because lets face it, we think you download torrents and don't actually buy these DVD's) by country? Why? That sounds really sad.
What's subjective is your preference, it's not a statement of quality.
You know what's really "sad?" That your name is 'stink face..' I don't why i'm bothering to respond to someone named 'Stink face,' but to answer some of your questions. First, I am in no way 'embarrassed' because that guy was a prick who knows how to sound like he knows what he's talking about, when he's really just another troll. I'm sure he must be a real worm in person; someone that needs to brag that he flies around the world, to make himself seem more important than he is. I found his personality absolutely repugnant. When I insult American films, I'm referring specifically to the big budget, high profile Hollywood movies. I should have been more specific. There are countless independent films made in the USA that are excellent. "Motel Life," for example, and "Blue Valentine," and more recently "The World Made Straight," which just came out. "Boyhood" is another one. There are so many more, but you get the point. The wonderful thing about foreign cinema, is that they are financed mostly with government funds. This allows the filmmakers to completely follow their own artistic vision, without having to worry if their movie is going to make money for the investors, or some Hollywood studio. Because of the way movies are financed in the US, filmmakers are forced, in a way, to be whores; compromising their work to insure financial profit. You can attack my film collection all you want. My collection is something i have been building for 15 years. It is the result of much research, and I have met countless movie fans like myself in the process, sharing titles and comparing knowledge. Your comment that I "don't enjoy cinema" is really silly, because there are no words to express just how much sheer enjoyment i get..each time i discover a new, obscure title. And my collection is my most valued possession, so excuse me for wanting to brag about it a bit; i am kind of proud of it, and the work it took to build it. Finally, you are DAMN right that a good percentage of my titles are torrented from the internet! Are you kidding me? First, the majority of my films have never had legitimate dvd releases..and many are so rare, that one dvd can cost over $50. If i had actually bought all these titles, it would run me literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now i support movies and artists as much as i can, but the majority of my stuff is from the 1970's and their copyrights have long expired anyway. Don't expect me to apologize for downloading rare and obscure titles from the net. I really don't understand people like you, who seem to derive pleasure over seeing two strangers argue, and one getting the best of the other one. I think that's rather depressing. did you come to this site because you have an interest in cinema, or do you just like to read about people arguing? I mean, your post was long, but you said not one word about your own taste in film...
"IMdB; where 14 year olds can act like jaded 40 year old critics...'
1) Terayama is a Cannes person, not amazingly well known and his films can be stupid enough that they seem artsy while being complete and utter nonsense. Not all of them are like that of course, some are really good. He's variable, in my opinion.
2) Discarding all of North America is pretty insane. :S Disliking the generic Hollywood films is one thing, discarding an entire continent and multiple groups of people doesn't really make you elitist; More pompous.
Which is what the other poster was accusing you of. It's an importance highlighted by the self, and not by quality. There's a few really good Canadian films, and some fantastic Mexican films, and the a few directors out of the USA, none of them high budget, none of them popular, none of them big except in small festivals. Or Moscow for some of them. :P
Although I think you're both agreeing on the term "snob prick", you're just disagreeing what the definition is. I'd say it's right in every sense of the term. Self important, aggrandising, and pompous, without any substance. Discarding all of North America really gets that across.
I am exactly like you aha. Love art house movies, and mainstream movies.
shareGreat example of negative implications, I also agree that Tom Cruise is an excellent actor and I personally enjoy some of Michael Bay's films (Bad boys 1&2, pain & gain, transformers 1)
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