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Why Was This Movie So Disliked?


I saw this movie after hearing all the negative reviews. It was probably why I waited so long to see it. But once I did, I was enthralled by it. People said it was boring, and though I was expecting to be bored, I wasn't. Although I tend to be pretty dismissive of most films, for their lack of ambition and eagerness to please, I loved this film for never trying too hard to be pleasing or to provide easy answers and explanations. It was engaging, I think, for being so obscured and enigmatic.

It plays out like a Greek tragedy, with the specter of divine retribution haunting us and punishing those who use revenge as a justification for any lapse in humanity. So many films about revenge get a pass on all the gore and violence although all they do is present justification for the carnage. This film seeks no justification for it. The carnage is not entertaining and it's not cathartic. It's simply violence. It's the harshness of life in all the tawdry glare and impassivity. Terrible things happen and either we let them happen or we seek them out.

Perhaps this film was too ambitious for its own good, but I love it. The violence is meant to be disturbing and it's meant to provoke thought. When there's too much happening on screen and when plot lines get too contrived, it's easy to turn off our thoughts. But I had to think about this film because it refused to lend itself to easy, disposable consumption.

This is one of those rare films that isn't afraid to be hated, and perhaps relishes our discomfort. But I'm relieved to find a film that doesn't delight in it's own nastiness and viciousness but, rather, almost feels ashamed of it. It's beautiful to look at, yet so unutterably hideous.

I wonder if people didn't like the film because it places humanity up to such a harsh light and we seem to fall so short. It's not exactly inspiring. But there's an undeniable truth to it that makes other more plot-driven sideshows feel like even more of a waste of time. This film isn't trying to score easy points with special effects, throwaway humor and plot contrivances.

This film will get more credit one day, but we live in an age of many distractions and minimal patience. The only reason people prefer the violence of Tarantino films is because Tarantino makes violence fun. But why can't we show it up as something ugly without people getting upset?

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Because its poorly executed and the pretentious liberal arts degree losers that think they're smart despite being painfully average in every way and that no one else 'got it' when absolutely everyone did, can't change the fact its empty and predictable and unremarkable.

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How is it empty?

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This is what a previous poster, posted:

The motif of hands running throughout the film represents the anxiety of action. Hands are capable of producing both good and evil. Active figures like Chang and Crystal use their hands to impose their will without hesitation. Julian, by contrast, languishes in indecision. For him, action poses the terrible burden of decision. Because he has no core principles, no meaningful attachment to the cosmos, he seeks to destroy himself. This is a paradox. Julian's sole active wish is to destroy his capacity for action.

Hands symbolize the capacity for action, both good and evil. For Julian, his hands confront him with the reality of his agency. His hands have murdered, but they could also caress. He is incapable of recognizing the distinction. Action is painful for Julian because he does not understand the difference, nor is he strong enough to enact his will. Julian's believes that severing his hands will relieve him of the burden of action. That is true. But this act will also sever his connection to the world. Basically, Julian wants to become nothing. All of this is pretty damning, because I think Refn is using Julian as a symbol for modern human society.

Returning to the subject of this thread, the hostile reaction to this movie, I believe, illustrates a larger problem. The extent of much of the criticism is sophisticated, but empty. To criticize a movie, for most members of the audience, is to challenge the logic of its operation. If it doesn't make sense at an immediate level, it can be dismissed. We can laugh at the unbelievability of Julian not landing a single blow against Chang without even trying to understand the deeper meaning of this. Such a mode of criticism only succeeds in distancing the uncomfortable truth which is being communicated. Our modern, sophisticated society is losing its spirituality. Because of this, few can recognize the spiritual dimension which is essential to art. The capacity to engage or appreciate a work of art is being lost. I find it disturbing that so many seem to believe the summation of the aesthetic experience is liking or disliking the art object. Art transcends these categories. The true significance of art is pondering why these experiences are generated. Is the message true? A true work of art, I maintain, captures and expresses something true; freezes it for contemplation within a frame, and stands aloof to human judgment.

Only God Forgives is similar to a certain type of film which I find to be aesthetically masterful, indeed beautiful, but which nevertheless reveal to us the darkest truths of the human soul with great lucidity. Other films similar in kind are A Clockwork Orange and Funny Games. To experience these films is to confront human mortality and the capacity for violence which hides beneath a civilized veneer with an unblinking eye. These films offer an unpleasant experience, but one which is true and needs to be integrated. The universe is hostile to human vanity. Whatever moral values we promote, the cosmos is indifferent. To put a frame around human mortality makes mortality bearable. Death becomes a subject of sober contemplation at a distance and, in a small way, we can overcome (or at least recognize) our limitations.

It is an easy reaction to dismiss these films--this prevents us from confronting uncomfortable truths. But I'm afraid that by rejecting these films, we are censoring our worldview and sentimentalizing our view of humanity.

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It's very slow paced, violent, and keeps a lot of the "meat" of the story pretty vague and ambiguous. OGF isn't for everyone, but I loved it.

What would you do - trapped in another dimension?

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The film actually has substance. It’s a real film in a world of vapid entertainment. If you’re a person of substance then it will resonate with you and the measured pacing won’t be a problem.

When you‘re telling the truth and pointing to something genuine then you can take your time, be abstract and use minimal dialogue - your film will be compelling. David Lynch is a similar example.

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