Instead of another dreadful superhero movie we get something of merit and worth.
A fascinating story told with the biggest palette. Very grateful that we still have directors like Nolan around who have the interest and capacity to tell these kind of stories in a big way.
The irony is: Nolan can make this movie because he make superhero movie first to boost his career.
shareWhat superhero? Batman isn't a superhero, he's a CULTURAL ICON!
"What superhero? Batman isn't a superhero, he's a CULTURAL ICON!"
You are an immature idiot who should not even be allowed to procreate.
Batman is a CARTOON.
I have much more respect (and love) for Bugs Bunny.
Now shut up and eat your Coco Puffs.
perhaps AMJF's comment was a tongue-in-cheek witty retort as opposed to a serious indignation that that the influence of Batman is limited to the superhero genre .
I could be wrong though, context and tome are often lost in the text medium.
You may be right.
I still stand by my statement and belief that the DC genre has ruined movies (and indeed storytelling) for all of us.
Nobody want's to pay for a plausible screenwriter. Just fantasy b.s.
the DC genre has ruined movies (and indeed storytelling) for all of us.
I completely and wholeheartedly agree!
... problem is its just you, me, Martin Scorsese and now also Coppola who have realised this.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/oct/21/francis-ford-coppola-scorsese-was-being-kind-marvel-movies-are-despicable
Fantasy is better handled by the Disney studios and their childish audiences.
I never cared for the James Bond franchise for the same reason.
There is no suspense in fantasy. Just "Boo" and "Bang".
The Andromeda Strain is TEN TIMES better than Star Wars when place in the science fiction genre.
Suspense isn't the only thing art can do for us, though. Fantasy stories fire imaginations, give us the thrill of "what if?" and let us see humanity and our values through a strange or uncanny lens.
I say this as somebody who is also pretty bored of superhero movies and who also doesn't like that cinemas are packed with the MCU and its wannabe rivals while ignoring more experimental fare.
But here is the problem.
Kids have been raised on this and now it is 2nd or 3rd generation of fantasy with little to no concept of reality.
They look at REAL superheroes (nurses, doctors, defense attorneys) as boring and expendable.
This has traversed itself into sports even. It is no longer being PART of the team but rather being THE BEST on the team.
The common man is made to be the butt of the joke.
I agree that that's a problem in a macrocosmic way, but on a movie-to-movie level this isn't a problem. In other words, I don't have a problem with Star Wars (or any given MCU movie, really) it's just the glut of that candy-coated thing with a dearth of any other thing that bothers me.
I think we're mostly on the same page.
As to the "kids today," I've got my problems with every generation, but basically, I think it's up to parents to instill values into their progeny regardless of what pop culture is out there. That's more of a battle these days, but it can be done. Actually, I'd argue that a LOT of what's missing is engagement with kids. For example, say Junior is watching The Avengers. A passive parent will be doing something else in another room or, at best, watching it with him. But a more active, conscious parent might take the opportunity to point out what makes the heroes heroic. *Why* is Captain America a hero? Or, if you take this scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcgJvJqCdrw) the active parent might talk about how the old guy who stands up against Loki is just as heroic - maybe moreso - than the powerful heroes.
And really, that was my main point. We have fantasy stories to tell these mythological truths about heroism, power, greed, love, and other great, big realities. The best fantasy stories have humanity as their molten core. With guys like Neil Gaiman and (as unpalatable as people find him these days) Joss Whedon at the helm, we got fantasy with humanity. When it's formulaic, committee-build stuff, it's less valuable.
And, again, I really do think we're mostly in agreement here based on what you're saying about over-saturation.
Spot on.
This coincides with my post below about how parents send their kids to the movies like it is a 2-3hr babysitting service.
I was brought up this way and actually am guilty of these actions.
As a child.
But our dinner conversations soon silenced me and my ridiculous opinions.
I agree that parents do not communicate with their children enough and tend to over emphasize material and useless praise where it is not useful.
I can't imagine my family having an hour long conversation about the "what if's" a fantasy story could generate. My parents would have told me to shut up after the 2nd or 3rd question.
I always praised my parents on their recommendations when suggesting a movie to watch. Which was rare. They never failed me.
We even had altering views on fantasy (The Birds for example) which brought up some interesting perspectives.
I'm sorry to hear that you would get shut down that way. I think discussion is important, and while parents shouldn't just let a kid prattle on without challenge, I also think the best way to help the child learn is by discussion with him or her, not just saying, "Zip it up."
This is one of the reasons I love Moviechat, is that it provides me with the opportunity to discuss films my friends haven't seen, or to discuss with people who are outside my typical social circles.
Don't think of it as "shut down"... it was done in order to let us know that discussion in this vein was futile and only argumentative.
95% of the discussions here are the same. Ridiculous "what if's" that answer nothing and only appeal to the vanity of the poster or senseless praise of an individual performer.
Oh, okay. I think I understand more what you mean. You and I were using "what if..." slightly differently where I was thinking of it as a whimsical imaginative exercise (which could be a precursor to thought experiments) but you were using it to mean more blustering and poor rhetoric...I think...? I could be wrong again.
A lot of discussions on here are garbage, yeah. They have a "politics" board specifically for that, but it seeps out some times.
Not true at all. He's made several non-superhero movies that was wildy successful. Those are the reason he can make this movie.
Making a successful superhero movie proves absolutely nothing. Making a successful space movie, or a war movie, or a dumb backwards-movie - that brings audiences to the cinemas - that is what gives him the opportunity to make a film like this.
What make those movie successful, space movie, war movie, because one reason: From The Director of The Dark Knight.
Without it, no one would go see his movie, example: The Prestige, Insomnia.
The Prestige came out before the Dark Knight. It was, however, after Batman Begins.
shareThat is my point: The Prestige has great story, I would say it's Nolan's best, and huge stars (Batman, Wolverine, Scarlett Johansson), but fail at box office.
shareIt made over $100 million on a $40 million budget. I doubt the studio regards it as a failure.
shareIt's exaggerate to said it "Fail", but it didn't light the world on fire.
shareNever underestimate what the general public will spend on a 3hr babysitter for their obnoxious brats. And then supply them with hundreds of dollars on instruments which allow them to comment on social media for the rest of the evening.
shareThere is no arguing that The Dark Knight was a monster runaway success that had a big impact on Nolan's career. It gave him clout, respect and freedom like any freak of nature success would give any director. But the film showed that he was better than the confines of a superhero movie.
He has shown time and time again that he is so much more than the Dark Knight trilogy. He has branched out well beyond the caped crusader. Both with the work he did before, and after those three films.
By the way, the "dumb backwards movie" I was refering to was of course the dissapointing and tiresome Tenet, and not the marvellous Memento.
I'm glad we have filmmakers like Nolan who are still willing to make thoughtful and interesting films, but the trailer for this one is a little baffling to me. It almost makes the film look like an experimental film with little in the way of story. Hopefully the next trailer will be better and a little more conventional.
shareI agree. I hope the trailer was a case of misleading advertising.
shareNolan's movies often have some kind of weirdness going on in them (playing with time especially), but surely the studio insisted that the film tell an actual story. My guess is that this trailer is to set the mood of the film and intrigue people, and the next will tell us a bit more of what the movie is actually about.
shareNolan trailers never give the plot a way. And for good.
shareCompared to a super-hero movie, or any of the other out of control genre, I would agree, but movies about Oppenheimer that lionize him or make him a sympathetic character ... I guess I've seen enough of them to wonder what was the reality or to know that all these kinds of movies do is mythologize positively figures in Western culture.
In terms of nuclear weapons the question these movies raise is more current events and history than going back to avoid the issue to make a hero out of a guy who didn't get it right, or to put the focus on the military industrial complete that evolved from the Manhattan project.
yeah there isnt many modern movies i have interest in anymore but this is an exception
shareThat's a good point. I don't know how I feel about seeing this, but I really like Cillian Murphy. You know what? I've decided to see it in theaters. It will be my fourth Nolan theater experience (Batman, the Dark Knight, and the Prestige).
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