10 years of Prometheus
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shareA very underrated film.
The hate some have for it is bewildering. I mean some people absolutely detest this film and call it one of the worst films of all time. Baffling.
The visuals are incredible and the ideas are cool, what lets the film down is an often terrible script - ropey dialogue and characters behaving in implausibly stupid ways 🤦🏻♂️
shareI've always liked Prometheus.
Many complain about the characterizations but I honestly find that a bit overblown. I can see where people are coming from to a certain extent, some of the characters are a bit caricatured and silly, but it doesn't bother me much. I really like Noomi Rapaces character in particular, she was a great lead. Brilliant actress. Killing her off screen in Alien: Covenant was a kick in the balls. She should have been the new Ripley! They completely ruined the possibility of sequels going forward. I don't know what happened behind the scenes but man talk about a major fumble.
Yeah killing Shaw off-screen was a terrible idea, especially given that they filmed some stuff with Rapace (which I think appeared in a deleted scene and some promotional spots) 🤦🏻♂️
Overall I prefer Alien:Covenant but it too suffers from some script issues that should never have made it to the final draft.
If they ironed this stuff out then both films would have been more popular and they wouldn’t have cancelled the third and final instalment. Ten years of build-up to connect everything to Alien, two out of three films in, Ridley still alive and making movies despite being 80, and they suddenly scrap the whole thing 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Neither movie stands on its own, nor makes sense - they are both awful.
Great effects, absolute 180 degree miss on every other aspect of telling a story.
Definitely one of the worst movies ever made - considering the resources they must have had and the audience ravenous for some more Alien.
Movies like Alien, Aliens are parts of the culture and after a certain level of honor, it should be a crime to deface of ruin them. Ridley show be forbidden to touch these properties again.
The scripts were severely flawed, especially in the case of Prometheus, but they did have Ridley’s trademark impressive world building and a nasty, nihilistic atmosphere. There were interesting ideas in there too about the origins of life.
I think it was a smart move to do something different with the prequels. We’d seen the alien do its thing several times, going backwards and exploring origins was interesting.
Well, now it’s over, the trilogy won’t be completed and we’re likely to see more lazy retreads of the earlier films, or some abomination like Alien vs Predator.
In time people will see what a wasted opportunity this incomplete trilogy was.
> There were interesting ideas in there too about the origins of life.
As a science guy and a former avid science fiction reader I thought most of the speculations about the "engineers" or "creators" were worse than pathetic. There is nothing like a solid similarity between cultures around the world, so starting out, that right there was not only a lie, but a damn lie ... very stupid.
What about the creation of religions?
shareMaybe I stopped listening in Prometheus because it was so off the wall, but I don't recall commentary on religions.
shareI mention religions in response to your statement:
There is nothing like a solid similarity between cultures around the world
Religions pop up everywhere through time in wildly different cultures, do they not?
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True, but nowhere near as "the same" as those fake star charts they portrayed. Religion or some kind of spirituality is a universal in human culture, but that does't have any connection to Prometheus as far as I can see?
shareWell religions are man’s attempt to understand himself by looking to the stars. The film adds the fictional element of actual beings from the stars being revered (and hints at Jesus being an engineer).
share"Awwwwwww what a cute clearly dangerous snake type completely unknown creature 😀"
"OH NO I'M DEAD!!!"
Exactly.
What’s worse is that those characters were petrified of being stranded in the caves moments earlier, yet here they are petting and taunting a space-cobra 🤦🏻♂️
Just when you’ve recovered from the stupidity of everyone removing their helmets in a strange alien environment they hit you with the snake scene, and then several more dumbass moments that pull you right out of the story.
What the hell is wrong with these filmmakers? I know Ridley’s old but the dude made Alien - did John Hurt remove his fucking helmet for no reason? How does he not look at these scripts, instantly fire the writer, and get someone in who has basic competence?
Just… baffling. And now we’ll never get the final film that would have connected everything to Alien 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Instead, Hollywood will be hard at work making the next tedious, uninspired, woke-filled superhero drivel - because we haven’t seen enough of that shyte 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I think it is cynical profitability. They know that if the movie is so expected and people want it to be good, there will be a debate about it, and then people will go back and watch it again and again - still realizing it's terrible, but handing over their money nevertheless.
shareAgree, they are meant to be world renowned scientists and experts yet conduct no in-depth atmospheric testing for chemicals and microbes ... Something even a moron with zero scientific background would at least do.
shareI have no idea about atmospheric science and there’s no way in hell I’d remove my helmet on some hostile planet aeons from Earth.
Even if the ‘readings’ were safe, there could be things in the ‘air’ that our computers and sensors wouldn’t even know to look for.
What’s frustrating is that Prometheus has great ideas and visuals and could have been a classic sci-fi film, but for some reason Ridley decided to crack on before a competent adult took a look at the terrible script.
This was a prequel to his greatest film - Alien, and he treated it like Tuesday.
In terms of cost per goodness ... it is certainly one of the worst.
What is as bewildering as some people's allegiance to Trump is some people's attachment to this awful movie.
Allegiance to Trump makes perfect sense to anyone who wants to preserve Western Civilisation, so your analogy doesn’t work at all.
shareOh, you're one of those. My logic doesn't work because of your dishonest, half-assed allegiance to someone who would tear down the American system? Doesn't make so much sense to me.
shareNo, your analogy (not ‘logic’) doesn’t work because allegiance to Trump makes perfect sense to anyone who wants to preserve Western Civilisation. Don’t strawman or use any other dishonest rhetorical devices, it does you no favours.
Notice also your use of ‘you’re one of those’ - you’ve been programmed by the destroyers of Western Civilisation to other and demonise those trying to save it.
Agreed. I think the hate is rooted in it being so tonally different. But it really is a good film.
shareI love this film.
shareIf you compare the ratings with the cost factor of this movie might make it one ofthe lowest rating/cost science fiction movies ever made. The only positive things about it were the effects.
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