Why did they have Batman fix the autopilot instead of having him die?
1). This is the final movie of the trilogy, so there is no incentive to keep him alive.
2). Having him die at the end is a fresh departure from other superhero movies, where the hero almost always survives.
3). The idea that Batman killed himself to save Gotham is powerful.
Why did they have him survive?
The entire point of the trilogy and Bruce's journey was that he was going to inspire the people of Gotham to take back their city from the criminals and the corrupt and when that was over he would leave Batman behind him and have a life for himself.
Are you seriously trying to say that you would prefer it if Bruce didn't complete the journey that the entire trilogy was building up to?
Im one of the few who interrupt the ending differently. I think it was Alfred daydreaming. Bruce is gone.
shareNolan confirmed that he wasn't dreaming and there is no evidence within the film to suggest otherwise. You have no basis for believing that it was a dream.
shareI loved how Michael Caine responded to this “theory”:
"They were there....They were real. There was no imagination. They were real and he was with Anne Hathaway, the cat lady, and I was happy ever after for him as I told him during the picture."
Well, there you have it! :) If Nolan’s words aren’t good enough, then surely good ol’ no nonsense Michael Caine’s words should be. Right? Hehe. Bruce did survived and he lived happily ever after, and I do not in any way shape or form see that as an issue. Sure, it’s funny how Alfred’s fantasy 100% came true (lazy writing?), but it was fitting either way.
Hey Drac, thanks for responding. Ive actually looked for a solid quote from Nolan but could never find one.
shareThat is my view as well: Bruce Wayne is deader than disco. R.I.P.
sharebecause there is nothing truly original about this piece of crap.
shareAgain if he died it would completely contradict everything the trilogy had been building up to.
sharewhy?
shareTry watching the first two movies again and actually pay attention, as far back as Batman Begins he stated that he only intended to be Batman long enough for the people of Gotham to take their city back from the criminals and the corrupt and then he would go his own way and have a life for himself.
Are you seriously suggesting that you'd rather Bruce fail at completely the journey he set out on from the very beginning?
"But now I'm sure the day won't come when YOU no longer need Batman"
Rachel was afraid in the second film that Bruce could never let go of his obsession of being Batman, apparently you would prefer that she was right.
I prefer a good movie.
shareTDKR is a good movie but it seems you didn’t pay attention.
shareI did and no it is not a good movie.
shareApparently you didn't because you didn't even understand that it was Bruce's goal from the beginning to be able to have a life from himself, only to slip into a Batman obsession which he then has to spend the second half of the second film and the entire third film trying to overcome.
sharethat is never expressed or implied on the film.
shareGo back and watch the first two films and again pay attention. Bruce initially didn't intend to be Batman for his entire life (he says this when Alfred picks him up from Bhutan), he wanted to be able to put Batman behind him so he could be with Rachel (and Rachel says at the end of the film that they can try to be together when Bruce is able to leave Batman behind). Then in The Dark Knight Rachel begins to suspect that Bruce is slipping into an obsession and thinks "the day won't come where you (Bruce) no longer needs Batman" (written in her letter). Then when Rachel died he attempted to move away from Batman and made the reactor his main focus but after he read Dr. Pavel's paper he had to decommission and by that point he lost Rachel, he lost the energy project and he felt he had nothing more to live for than to wait hoping things would go bad again so he'd have a reason to be Batman once more (Alfred says this when Bruce is searching Selina on the Batcomputer). It isn't until he "rises" from the pit that he has now learned the value his life and begins to hope for a life beyond Batman (that was the point of regaining his "fear of death") which he fullfills at the end when he goes off with Selina (evidenced by the second to last scene of the film).
I know I kind of just spoonfed this to you but go back and watch all three films again and actually pay attention. Put the subtitles on if you have to.
What you say is true. Still a bad movie.
shareThere is nothing about the film's reception that you could ever spin to conclude "it's a bad movie".
shareOkay, have it your way.
I correct myself: I hated the movie, and not because "I don't get it" or "have shitty tastes for movies" like all the Nolan's fanboys here seem to think. I love The Dark Knight, absolutely hated The Dark Knight Rises, plain and simple.
That would have been kind of an anti climatic and unsatisfying end, if he were to die in the ship, that is.
It would only work if he were to go out in a situation involving a more personal level of sacrifice. Like in TDK itself, when even if his overall goal was to protect the city, he ultimately took the blame for Dent.
That is what I call a fresh departure from the 'hero' movie genre. Simply dying for the greater good has been done before.
Because as far as all other versions of Batman are concerned, that is his natural end. He's doomed to be Batman until he dies. Nolan wanted a different take. It's not just the autopilot, the whole movie is centered around everyone trying to convince Bruce he doesn't have to be a martyr and there are other ways to help the city that don't require his life. He can pass the mantle on and find happiness instead. The city can rally to protect itself when needed. If anything, this is a fresh take on Batman where he moves on past the pain of losing his parents.
shareThe ending that we got is what the entire series was building up to even from the very first film. Were you even paying attention?
shareWhat is it with fvckwit's like you? Not enough hugs in childhood? Nobody in the real world acknowledges your existence? Can't get laid?
shareMoney.
You know there'll be another Batman movie.
It had to be the same as before and no hint that it was used.
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