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Vote NO to Organ Donation


I used to have a neutral view to organ donation but having just seen the film nothing could drive me further to a YES please on my driver's licence. It has turned me to DISGUST that anyone could contemplate donating organs or receive them. We are caught up in heroics that we can save lives or be saved. It has made me realise we are not meat at the butchers to be cut up and have vital organs removed or robots exchanging usable parts. We are fantastic individual humans who have their own identity! It is NOT selfish to preserve our state. Let's face it BABY, WE WERE BORN THIS WAY!

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Not sure if you were trolling or just spectacularly missed the whole point of the movie but maybe you should think some more. People not donating organs are the reasons situations like these might exist in different forms.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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While I don't espouse a universal mandate against organ donation, I believe that trumpeting NO because of this movie is more than a little feeble.

I do not choose to be an organ donor because I cannot choose to whom my organs would go to. Can you imagine if my organs were to go to a person whose beliefs were abhorrent to me? What if my heart saved the life of a racist, or known gay basher, or misogynist, or even someone so repugnant as a Conservative American Republican!

So I choose not to donate. But that has nothing to do with this movie, which seems to be a combination of every mid-century British epic ever made and "The Island". It is a recurring question from humanity about our place within the society we have created whether medical advances will outstrip our ethics. I am not so afraid of our medical advances so much as our military ones. And I am not so worried about our ability to saves lives or body parts as much as to save intellect, reason, laughter, and the greatest thing that makes us human: love.

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You can’t be bias about who should be getting your organs. It's the same as a racist not wanting to give a colored person their organs to save their life. Bad people will always find means to get what they want. I rather they take whatever they can from my rotting corpse than stealing it from another living person out of selfish desperation.

IMHO, this is probably what happened in this movie where organs are harvested from clones with specifically preferred genetics. Those who created or even raised them cared not if they had a soul. Morale are ignored by desperately sick people. And what's sad is that these clones in the end accepted their fate. Not once did I witness any physical violence or force upon these individuals. They were never caged or mistreated, just programmed to serve their unfortunate purpose.

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the organs are just gonna rot in the coffin so why not save other ppl's lives?

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you are missing the point, like many here, simply because you seem to be uninformed. You can donate only certain things, like skin, bones, cornea when you are dead and these are very useful donations, don't get me wrong. However, if a vital organ is to be donated, the donor has to be clinically alive with a beating heart because organs become unusuable within a matter of seconds after a clinical death, yet proper procuring is not a fast and easy job.
What basically happens is that you qualify as a donor when you are diagnosed with brain death. Now brain death is a relatively new medical term and is in itself a fickle thing. It's not uncommon for someone who's been diagnosed with brain death to "wake up" and begin functioning normally. Not a lot is yet actually known about how the brain and its signals work. Should your family at this point sign you off as a donor, you and them lose any rights you had as a live human being, they are allowed to see you briefly and that is it, they are not allowed to request additional brain scans or a waiting period.
And what a poster above me said is also true, as long as you are legally alive and a known donor, hospitals will take greater care of you, they need you and your donor material to be in good health, just like those kids in the movie.

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the one that people actually might wake up from is comma.brain death actually is what the name suggests,you can't wake u after your brain's dead

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You replied to this, but did you understand this part?

Now brain death is a relatively new medical term and is in itself a fickle thing. It's not uncommon for someone who's been diagnosed with brain death to "wake up" and begin functioning normally. Not a lot is yet actually known about how the brain and its signals work. Should your family at this point sign you off as a donor, you and them lose any rights you had as a live human being, they are allowed to see you briefly and that is it, they are not allowed to request additional brain scans or a waiting period.


The person that I quoted is absolutely correct. So it's good to know your rights before you slip into a "comma" (how awful to slip into a state of punctuation!)

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Interesting. If you were ever in need of an organ transplant (let's hope you won't ever be), would you agree to take one? (Assuming you are still able to actually "agree", read: conscious) I feel that your answer should be "No" here. Seeing as you refuse to offer your organs after your death to someone in need, I don't think you should have the privilige of receiving organs from someone else.

I can understand that some people don't like the thought of being cut open and harvested for organs after they died but doesn't the prospect of saving another human life outweigh that irk? For me it does and I wish it would for more people.

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The "say no to organ donation" people in this thread make me sick to my stomach. Actually, I didn't even know people like that existed. Honestly.

In many countries in Europe (France, Sweden, the UK I think...) everyone is a donor UNLESS you opt out. That makes 100% sense (and i speak as someone who doesn't need an organ transplant nor knows anybody who does, so no self-interest here).

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A very wrong interpretation of this movie...

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The OP has not only missed the point of the movie, but with their suggestion of "Say no to organ donation" will actually drive up illegal organ harvesting and human trading/trafficking.

If more people donate when they don't need their organs (ie when they're dead) then there would be no need for illegal harvesting and certainly no need for clones.

OP you're an idiot.



Walter Sobchak: Am I wrong?
The Dude: You're not wrong Walter. You're just an a**hole.

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By your logic,every hard working successful man should share or be forced to share his wealth with stupid,lazy,uneducated poor people.Hogwash.

blupblup,you are an idiot.

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Sigh.

You uneducated and clueless fool. Plus maybe some grammar lessons might help you out as well.

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Hit a nerve,almost123?
Yep.I did.

Btw,I made a few grammar mistakes purposely;given the context of the post I was replying to,it was,in my opinion,necessary.I was surprised by how such an educated,clueful person(yeah,pun intended haha) like you couldn't comprehend it.

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You can't be serious... Oh, I get it! You ARE a troll. And silly old me, I almost fell for it. It's obvious, really - as there is nothing in Blupblup's post even suggesting the bizzare and absurd conclusions you draw from his 'logic' - you just made it up to annoy us! Should have spotted it straight away, nobody in their right mind could possibly imagine you are serious... After all, everyone knows there are millions of hard-working, decent people who live in misery... And of course, all too many of the filthy rich are lazy spoiled *beep* born to it. You are doing a parody of the archetypical redneck reactionary fool who has bought into the universally-discredited 'American Dream' notion, that wealth accrues to the deserving, and if people are poor, that's their fault... Aren't you? Because, if not, there is absolutely no excuse for your intellectual and moral poverty. Don't think Johnny D. would approve! (Or Captain Jack, come to that!)

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I'm VERY serious.
I'm NOT a troll.

I don't want to be rude,but it's obvious that you have little logical education.Blupblup says that if more people donated their organs,there would be no need for illegal harvesting,clearly implying a pattern of reasoning that can be applied as to how to eradicate poverty:taking away from the hard-working(rich) and giving to the lazy(poor);it's redistribution of wealth in all its horridness and sordidness.That's what you stand for,and I say that it's horrible and disgusting.

universally-discredited 'American Dream'


Discredited by whom?By lazy idiots who only moan about how it's unfair that some people have more than them,deliberately refusing to admit it's their fault for not having more?In America,you can achieve everything if you are hard-working,intelligent,and above all,frugal.But the problem is,those nihilists just desire to drag down ones who want something more than just being an animal in the zoo.And,trust me,most rich people are humble,honourable and trustworthy,only few of them are filthy bastards.

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I hope that you have a new keyboard by this time ~~ one that has a space bar on it, so that each sentence that you write is identifiable as a separate sentence.

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And I hope that you have a new brain by this time, one that has just a lil bit of common sense,so that each sentence that you write is identifiable as a reasonable sentence.

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Oh my dear, I was trying to be kind and joke around a bit about your apparently faulty keyboard, rather than come right out and insult your writing style. Did no one ever teach you that you need to make spaces between your sentences? Your posts are very difficult to read because every thought is run together. That kind of writing is like speaking without ever taking a breath.

I'm sorry that you felt the need to insult me personally, but after reading some of your other posts, I see that you enjoy insulting everyone who responds to you. So if that's how you fill your days with happiness, all I can do is say "Have a nice day."

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Oops, I didn't quite get your humor. Sorry. :-)

But to be fair, your response really did come off as a little arrogant and provocative.

And I DO space between my sentences.

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I apologize for being arrogant and provocative. After re-reading what I wrote, I see what you mean. Truce? 

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You're an absurd human. I don't disagree with you, I detest you.

Selfish imbecile.

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Cretin.

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I couldn't agree more with everything you said.

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I'd like to clear up a few 'beliefs' here. My mother was an organ donor coordinator in Texas for many years. Families are never pressured to donate. Even if an ID (as in a driver's license) says "YES", the decision of the family can, and will, override that stated preference. The "YES" is just a preference. The family is never approached to discuss organ donation until after the patient is declared clinically dead. Often, families who choose to donate are the ones who initiate the discussion and ask to speak to an organ donor coordinator.

I think that the more controversial issues associated with organ donation are (1) the factors which come into play in ranking on the list those which need organ transplants; and (2) the "shadow" market in many countries of healthy people being paid to have organs take from them, or, even more dire, being kidnapped and medicated such that they donate organs without their consent. These are all ethical questions which call into play how to better regulate the "market" of organ transplantation across all conditions -- voluntary and unpaid, voluntary and paid, and involuntary and unpaid.

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