Seriously! People on here are crazy, to think she was right!
Trolololol.
I have NOTHING against torturing people as a form of punisment, I think sometimes we should give criminals what THEY gave to other people, like someone raps someone, let THEM get raped like they raped someone. I really don't have ANY sympathy for those men. I mean I was watching this movie and I could actually FEEL her terror, it really chilled me to the bone, especially the part where the sherrif started raping her and all the men came back into the cabin, usually stuff like abuse pisses me off but this truly chilled me and scared me.
But I DO agree with you about people saing she should have killed or hurt the sherrif's wife and little girl, that WOULD be sick and would make her no better than the men who raped her. The girl and unborn baby are innocent, and YEAH I know she was innocent too, but 2 wrongs don't make a right and with what she's been through I think she'd wanna protect the innocent with all her might.
The only thing that would piss me off is if the sherrif's wife started DEFENDING him, which likely would have happened.
The only one of those men I had a TINY LITTLE BIT of sympathy for was the one who was mentally challenged. I dunno if he should really be held responsible for his actions like the rest.
But that one with the buzz cut, he was the one I hated most of all. He needed to eat his own dick!
Just because we lose today's battle doesn't mean we've lost tommorow's war.
I have NOTHING against torturing people as a form of punisment, I think sometimes we should give criminals what THEY gave to other people, like someone raps someone, let THEM get raped like they raped someone.
Then how are we as a society better than the rapists and murderers? The fact that we treat them better than how they treat their victims and the rest of us are what makes us the good guys. The justice system is about harmony and justice, not revenge.
It's a horror film. People live, people die and you'd better start running!-Scre4m share
The fact that we treat them better than how they treat their victims and the rest of us are what makes us the good guys.
No, that's what makes you cowards and victims. It's people like you who caused the level of crime we've had over the last 60 years, because you wanted to give them hugs and kisses, then let murderers and rapists back on the streets to do it again.
It's you who are no better than the rapists and murderers, because you think they should be treated kindly instead of punished for their crimes and killed to ensure that they can never hurt anyone again. share
you have no clue what you are talking about.
The last 60 years have been the most calm and peaceful and the lowest crime rate ever known to man. Please read some statistics before posting. This retaliation tactic does not work for a simple reason: instead of solving the situation, it creates more waves. the raped woman would kill her aggressor, then the aggressor's wife would kill the raped woman, her husband would kill the other guy's wife and so on, forever. This would never stop. The only reason crime went down is because we created police and organized law to punish the guilty. It's true that it fails sometime, tough luck. The alternative anarchy would be much worse.
Also I really think capital punishment is a bad idea:
- if the guy was guilty, then by getting killed he gets away easily, he should spend his life in jail
- if he wasn't guilty then you cannot fix it any more
So, you bloodthirsty vengeful people should think about it a little more before talking.
It's really amusing to see the usual whining liberal sissies expound on their theories of how things work, and how they SHOULD work.
You obviously haven't taken a look at the crime statistics lately.
well I have actually... have you??
here you go: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
crime decreasing in US constantly since 1991
maybe you shouldn't believe everything FoxNews tells you
oh, and read more
The crime rate falls as prison population rises. This does not mean less crime. It means less criminals out and about to commit those crimes. Nice try though. The US is just as *beep* up as it's ever been.
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Well said. Guys like this will not listen to reason or numbers. Logic means nothing to them and facts bounce right off them. They are ruled by pure hatred and idiocy.
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LOVE the bitch slap you just gave that idiot.
I despise the pleasure of pleasing people that I despise. ~ Lady Mary Wortley Montagu
I don't condone that kind of behavior because then we would all being doing this whole "eye for an eye thing" but if I heard this on the news and heard something similiar...I think I can sympathize and understand why it was done.
shareThat's two different things though.
State sanctioned abuse of people is totally different to vigilante justice.
toking65000's comment was:
I think sometimes we should give criminals what THEY gave to other people, like someone raps someone, let THEM get raped like they raped someone.
He may have been saying 'we' as a lynch mob, but I had the feeling from his comment that 'we' was 'society'.
"We" as society should have a legal system that reflects that "we" as a society want to have happen. toking65000 and a few others have 'eye for an eye' mentality, and that's fine for them to have those beliefs. Some others believe that we should be a lot softer on crime, and that's fine for them to believe that. Ultimately we vote in people who make the laws that we have.
Now, if Jennifer was caught after her vigilante spree, then I would think that anyone who knew the full facts would fully understand why she did what she did, and you would think that a good legal case would be made for extenuating circumstances.
If 'Joe redneck' saw something on the news and decided to take matters into their own hands and 'get revenge' on behalf of a victim... well, that's a whole world of problem coming your way like a freight train. How do we know the victim is pointing out the correct person? How do we know that this isn't a setup? How do we know that the vigilantes are not being manipulated? That's how minorities end up being scape goats. Besides the fact that you end up with innocent people being killed (or maimed etc) think about the fact that a guilty person actually gets away with it.
Ultimately, I can fully understand why Jennifer would have done what she did... but as soon as it is someone other than the real victim, you really don't know if what you're being told is the truth or a lie. That's why we have courts.
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I have to agree. Liberals live in a pretend world. I think that Liberals are ruining America. They hate guns, they hate the military, they love gays and most every thing that normal people support.
shareI'm a Moderate Social Liberal Democrat (a mouthful, I know). I own two guns. Are you one of those idiots who believe only people like you have guns? No liberal police officers, or liberal military personnel? It's not that liberals have a problem with guns it's that liberals tend not to want children, criminals, mentally I'll people etc., to get a gun, or own a gun.
I'm not saying there aren't liberals who aren't 100% anti-gun but you do know there are conservatives who are 100% anti-gun, right?
Hey buddy! I'm a liberal as are my circle of friends and we think they got what they deserved. You know nothing about people, and you probably don't know any liberals. We think that not ALL conservatives have no viable answers....just most of them.
shareWhat you're describing is what I call a "vigilante cycle," and I think most of the time it would be inevitable if permitted. In our legal system, however, it is the only way this victim could get what I would honestly call justice.
One solution to the cycle problem is to institute such punishments into our penal code, which of course means throwing out our policies against "cruel and unusual punishment." I have nothing against cruel and unusual punishment for the guilty, but even that comes with some problems, particularly the same problems that arise from capital punishment.
There's a long continuum between absolutely known guilt and complete innocence, and while this movie illustrates the former (for at least three of the attackers), plenty of other cases would wind up walking the grey line.
So the only recourse, apart from letting them off easy, was to take personal vengeance and hopefully forestall any possible retaliation. By essentially revealing herself to the Storch family, this is likely impossible now. We never see a proper exit strategy, and it's unlikely that she'll ever be able to return to normal society. I'd even go so far as to guess that this story would tragically end in suicide.
In any case, there's a big difference in arguing over what is practical and what is agreeable. Vigilante justice has it's complications. Assuming it did not, the question is do you condone it, or perhaps even support it?
For what it's worth, the Christian answer is unequivocally 'no.'
my thoughts exactly. real-life situations are not always as clear as (most) hollywood movies make them.
I wouldn't want to turn this into a religious debate but I am an atheist and my answer is pretty clearly "no" as well, precisely because of the mentioned cycle. The response violence will always be of greater-than-or-equal intensity, so you get a snowball effect if nobody stops it.
That "vigilante cycle" argument is one of the dumbest I've ever seen. The wife of the rapist is not going to get revenge on the rape victim. Mostly likely the wife of the rapist had no idea he was a rapist in the first place.
shareSaying the death penalty is easy is the dumbest argument ever. If it's so easy, then why do those on death row fight so hard to get out of there? Take your own advice, and think before you spout off.
sharedeath to all rapists and pedophiles. they don't deserve to live.
without any thinking i would kill all the bastards! world needs to
start cleaning these kind of "people" and not to put them in jail. this
girl had all the right in world to kill them.
She had just as much right to kill them as I have the right to print off a list of names and addresses from a website that shows convicted sex offenders living in my area, going to their doors one by one and putting a 9mm sized hole in their temples. Absolutely none.
You walk up to a convicted sex offender and murder them, you're no better than they are because you think it's completely A-OK to just walk up to someone and put one between their eyes just because you think they don't deserve to live.
Please read some statistics before posting.
Oh, to hell with that. I get my facts from the media. THEY do all the research. I just listen to what they tell me and make up my own mind.
(the above is irony by the way)
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U couldn't have said it better.
shareWant to know why we are a better society? Because NORMAL people don't go out looking for trouble and looking for someone to rape, once they do it, then we retaliate.
shareNobody's better.If you *beep* w/ me Imma *beep* with you.This is the wild.
share"Then how are we as a society better than the rapists and murderers? The fact that we treat them better than how they treat their victims and the rest of us are what makes us the good guys. The justice system is about harmony and justice, not revenge."
That's the point of this movie. The girl isn't better than them, they *beep* her up, she *beep* them up. She clearly doesn't want legal justice and she doesn't seem to kill only out of revenge. She seem to want to slowly and painfully kill the men who raped her, she wants them to suffer and die from the pain if possible. She doesn't care if it's fair or not, she only wants violence executed onto her attackers.
Her smile at the end show that she feels satisfied with what she did, that she enjoyed murdering them through torture.
It's what I got out of this movie, it's not about justice or revenge, it's about sick people who create someone sicker than them through an act of brutal violence. In a violence breeds violence kind of way.
Eeeech, anyone who feels sorry for the rapists, I gotta wonder about.
share"The justice system is about harmony and justice, not revenge."
Erm no, the justice system is there as a form of punishment also, and protection for the rest of society. There is most definitely an element of revenge in the Justice System.
The justice system also acts as a deterrent to would be criminals, if no punishment was given out then the vast majority of ppl would be commiting heinous criminal acts all the time.
Imho Justice is flawed and corrupt, how a rapist can get out after 3 yrs serving (yes it happens) is beyond me. Do people not understand the level of insanity required to rape in the first place? I could not even get an erection for rape/forced sex, those that even get aroused by that need to seek counseling immediately! Rape in my mind should be met as serious as murder. Perhaps the victim is still alive, but the rapist is a very very dangerous person indeed, perhaps even more so than a murder 'crime of passion' person (such as a heated row between spouses, things get out of control and a knife is plunged into the chest etc).
I would rather not be a good guy, if it means coddling rapists.
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The girl in this movie by default became a criminal the moment she horrifically murdered five men. By the logic that criminals should be punished not helped, she should be further tortured in the same way and then killed by the state for her crimes.
Such is the circle of revenge, it only leads to the destruction of all. The fact this film tries to say torture is justified in the name of revenge is the first in a long list of reasons why it is heinous garbage spawned from the minds of deranged morally bankrupt Hollywood trash.
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let's see if you have that same attitude after getting raped by 5 men or women. aye?
i've got feelings too, ya know - inbetweeners
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I totally believe in killing someone in self defense. But, she wasn't able to do that. Instead, she went on a killing spree. That kind of act should be treated no differently than if she was a man. Otherwise, it's no different than how we treat children. Should we start putting female offenders in juvenile correction instead? Given how specially their treated in female correctional facilities, it wouldn't be much different.
share... she cannot murder her assailants since they did not murder her.
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With all due respect, that is what was intended for her, after they had had their fun. It backfired. They had no respect for her life or being and I don't recall the film making a point at any stage, that because she was a woman and not a man, she deserved her vengeance due to her gender, and that she should get away with it. It was more about, these guys got what was coming to them and it just happened to be in the form of a woman. It wasn't about the legal consequences for her.
This is no different to someone like Bronson in the first 2 DEATH WISH films, or Perry King in CLASS OF 84'. These guys, were acting on behalf of the violated women in their lives. Kevin Bacon avenged his murdered son in DEATH SENTENCE and Jodie Foster avenged her murdered boyfriend in THE BRAVE ONE. I would say the general consensus and applause for their actions, wouldn't be any less, because they were avenging a male. In GRAVE, she acted on behalf of herself. According to law and objectively, they all acted illegally, doesn't mean that they were wrong and the law is right. The law will also murder, to avenge the victim.
I would like to see a film, where a nice gay man, is sexually violated and abused and tortured by a group of alpha males and then he gets his death vengeance on them. I suppose that would be too much for most audiences, as it would mean that the sociopathic male assailants, would have "homosexual" tendencies and that would be too difficult to stomach for most. Also, the fact that the victim would be gay, he would likely have it coming to him.
You are partly right. Vengeance stories can make for great, compelling drama. But, I think these movies can take their misandry too far. Talk about symbolism. Did you see the 3rd film? The "victim" (we don't actually see her being violated so much as see the results) lures some scumbag into an alley, starts to give him a blowjob and they actually show slicing his penis in half, down the middle and biting the end off. Have these movies ever shown these scumbags cutting the victims breasts off? This was sick. It wasn't entertaining. It was beyond horrifying.
I want to see a revenge story where a group of girls sends a guy to prison on false allegations of rape. Hell, they can even suggest that the girls drugged and raped him. Some detective discovers that the girls lied and gets our hero an early release. HOWEVER, he still has to go through sex offender registry. We get to see that fun side of things. And that includes how hard it is to find a place to live, get a job or find someone to love who will accept you. But he finds these girls sent him to prison. No one is actually pursuing charges, even though the false allegation are pretty obviously false. So, our hero takes it upon himself to get revenge. Of course, he has to be killed in the process.
I doubt we'll ever get to see that.
I agree, people who rap should be tortured. Better yet, have laws preventing rap from ever being created.
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