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Are there any people on this board that believe this movie is real?


I don't care if you like the movie or not. I am just curious to see if anyone actually believes this happened.

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They had me going for a little while, but it was more of a "What?..." kind of disbelief.
The more they showed the "REAL" footage, it was easier to tell that it wasn't authentic.
I thought they did a pretty good job at attempting to make the real footage though.

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This movie is done much like the mothman prophecies. In that hollywood took a few "true" incidences to make their story. In other words "some" of the things in the film are based on "true" events, the rest is hollywoods story.

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I thought it was going to be, but as soon as they showed footage of "real" Abby I reconsidered. She was just terrible.

~I can hear his beard!!~

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This film was as fake as it gets. Considering everytime something "disturbing" happened during the "actual footage". The video gets all distorted and fuzzy. Also the whole hypnotize thing, is just laughable. Apparently "aliens" speak useless one liners in ancient languages.

And apparently "aliens" abduct people to run tests on them, and than send them back to earth so they can freak out and murder their whole family and commit suicide.

Who does the film maker think he is fooling? Anyone with a brain can tell that the woman he was interviewing was an actor. Considering the cliche make up and outfit.


The "actuality" of the "archive footage" and story of the film is as credible to reality, as a talking mouse.

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This film was as fake as it gets. Considering everytime something "disturbing" happened during the "actual footage". The video gets all distorted and fuzzy. Also the whole hypnotize thing, is just laughable. Apparently "aliens" speak useless one liners in ancient languages.


Right, because we all know aliens do not talk.

And apparently "aliens" abduct people to run tests on them, and than send them back to earth so they can freak out and murder their whole family and commit suicide.


An understanding of the human mind and actually paying attention to the very, very simple explanation in the film would help even a third grader know why the victims freaked out.

Who does the film maker think he is fooling? Anyone with a brain can tell that the woman he was interviewing was an actor. Considering the cliche make up and outfit.


Yet you could not even understand why the characters freaked out.

The "actuality" of the "archive footage" and story of the film is as credible to reality, as a talking mouse.


It was a nice touch and a lot better than the overly used "shaky camera" tactic.

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Wait... you are defending the "credibility" of the movie first, only to accept at the end that it's fake? God... And btw, I agree with the other guy about the convenient way in which the video got all distorted anything interesting happened.

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The "archive footage" was part of a marketing stunt, along with a viral video (this strategy was also used with The Blairwitch Project). If you think the film maker is trying to fool the viewer, you are missing the point.
Anyone with a brain can tell that the woman he was interviewing was an actor.
Anyone with with a brain should understand that this is intentional.

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wow, finally someone with some sense. its like this whole board is filled with people who are pissed off they got duped and weren't "in on it" from the start.

i mean, why would anyone think it's real, or believe the premise of "true archival footage", when the entire cast is made up of actors? edit: or how about when the guy giving the "real" Ms. Tyler the interview from the university 2 years after the events in the film is actually the director and uses his real name in the supposed "real interview footage"? If you knew the director's name, you would have definitive proof real early on, or by the end of the film when the credits roll at the very least.



so people, please... stop conflating this film, which is simply a stylized hollywood sci-fi movie that presents reenactments of "actual accounts based on allegedly true events" (reenactments which make use of dramatic license, or fiction), with a real documentary. it's so painfully obvious to most of you that you're not seeing real archival footage, but somehow you do not draw the conclusion that this is done purposefully for entertainment purposes? or how about the fact that this was in theaters or that Universal Studios was involved?

and it's not like there isn't prior precedent to excuse such ignorance, which finnrenard has kindly pointed out (i.e. The Blair Witch Project). if you didn't like this movie for its acting or cinematography or something, that's fine. but stop crapping all over it if the only reason is your butthurt sentiments about the "true archival footage" or "based on a true story" being fake and your frail ego now suffers a bruising as a result.

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well said, my thoughts exactly.

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ya, people say, "bad movie" because they (stupidly) found out that real footage was not real. (how stupid)
movie was great actually!
it got my nerves. (that is what a good movie suppose to be)

Though, movie's message was to point out about UFOs and Aliens,
now, how many of you have seen UFOs??
UFOs news are everywhere, i wonder, there must be something out there!?

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Well, I think a lot of people out there think the whole alien/ufo topic is just nonsense. So it doesn't help the movie or people's opinion about it. Unfortunately, there's a reason for this, and it's because this topic is lumped in with all sorts of other paranormal/fringe subjects that are entertained by the so-called "tinfoil hat" crowd. So, a lot of people's minds shut down to any discussion of the topic as they immediately draw association with buzzwords and phrases like "conspiracy theorist" or "conspiracy nut" which have extremely negative implications, and effect. It's quite a powerful "tool" if an active disinformation campaign is to be believed. If it's not to be believed, then this is just one of those unfortunate aspects of exploring unpopular theories.

I must say, it also doesn't help that people like to think of themselves as "rational skeptics", which they misinterpret to mean that being overly skeptical (even to a fault) is seen as the hallmark of a healthy mind. So, this self-image tends to reaffirm their egotistical view of being well-informed, especially above others, which in turn reinforces the conviction of their willful ignorance. There's also other problems that come into play (on both sides of the equation, actually), like the availability heuristic/illusory correlation, confirmation/cognitive bias, and plenty of other aspects of human perception I'm probably forgetting. That isn't to say I think aliens are real and are here among us as hybrids or something... but I am interested in what people see in the skies, and the explanation behind certain cases.

A few that come to mind: Cash-Landrum incident, Eupen/Belgium case (photo), Phoenix lights (the fact that there were TWO purported incidents, one highly televised that was caught-on-camera after 10PM which happened AFTER initial reports of a BOOMERANG from earlier in the evening---suggesting an attempted flair dropping cover-up by the local military installation), and cases like these.


Anyway, sorry to get so far off topic. Personally, I liked this film because I find the notion of aggressive ET abduction, sinister agendas and their overall malevolence entertaining... and quite frightening! My personal belief on the topic of UFO visitation is actually irrelevant to my enjoyment of this film as I can suspend disbelief, and/or entertain the possibility in my imagination. To me, the absence of actual alien bodies in the film was a brilliant choice. It made my mind wonder with terror of who they are what the hell they want. Also I thought the audio track of the aliens speaking in that distorted tone, as well as the execution of the "dead" or ancient Sumerian language, as a stroke of genius. It sounded demonic as anything I've ever heard.

Now, I'm not saying the movie was perfect. But there are some definite things it did right, and some scenes that just made my pulse race. I thought it was rather refreshing as it wasn't just your run-of-the-mill Hollywood kitsch affair. Instead it took on the psychological terror aspect of alien abduction, did fairly well in achieving that goal.

Could it have been better? Definitely. But... I don't think I've seen a film quite like it, so there's not much to compare it to. And considering the consensus of responses to the film, I doubt we'll have much in the future TO compare it with, unfortunately. :(

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i think similar movie is
GRAVE ENCOUNTERS (2011)
Before this, it was Grave Encounters who took my nerves.
even though my conscious knew it is not-real...
but i watch movie from realistic point of view, what if it were real real?
(that's the way you enjoy the movie most!)
(And if it is horror, then watch at mid-night, turn-off lights, and increase the volume :P)

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That's cool, I'll check it out. Actually after reading through the forum I found another movie that came out fairly recently, that might be similar, called 'Dark Skies' (2013). Amusingly enough when searching for that film, I accidentally found ANOTHER movie with an almost identical title called 'Darkening Sky' (2010). So, there you have it! Two more movies (3 for me) to go and seek out to watch.


And yes, I agree... you let your imagination do the work, suspend disbelief, and put yourself into the shoes of the character. Imagine that it was really happening. Some people can't do that, or again that whole "rational skepticism" thing gets in the way and they find the whole thing silly. These are probably the same people who judge a movie's quality on the amount of explosions and car chases that happened on-screen. Of course I'm just being sardonic... but there maybe a little truth to that.


You're also right about watching these films alone, late a night when it's quiet, as it helps dramatically set the mood. IMO any type of psychological horror, particularly those with a supernatural element, can be great films. Exorcist comes to mind. Of course, I saw this when I was a young kid, when my imagination was extremely more vivid, and so it scared the daylights out of me (though things like Jason and Freddy Kruger were just laughable to me as a kid, even though you maybe thought were cool because you occasionally saw teenage girls topless and gory deaths).

Another movie that had me spooked as a youngster was 'Witchboard'... even though it was pretty campy and obviously low budget. Again, there was this aspect of psychological terror from a non-corporeal thing, unseen and yet it could manifest physically either through evil will or inhabiting and possessing a human body. For me, there was something always really evil about ancient, tormented "beings" that come from the places between worlds, or enslaved in crypts beyond the stars, older than time and slumbering until awoken or invoked.

Obviously having an appreciation for things like mythic demonic lore (or demonology in general), writers like Lovecraft, Barker, etc... helps frame the mindset. I mean, I remember being fascinated by these things as a child, movies like Hellraiser 1 & 2 or The Omen. Or just reading parts from the book of Revelation in the bible and thumbing through short stories from Lovecraft at night. So... that could also be why its easy for me to enjoy a film like this with the unseen presence, the demonic voice and ancient Sumerian language tie-in, claiming to be "THE FATHER", to be "ALL" and having a "TRUTH WHICH REMAINS HIDDEN". Very creepy.

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I dunno, when the film starts with the main actor stepping onto the screen, giving his real name and supposedly explaining the premise of the film, people are inclined to take that for real. Cause when the actor gives his real name, it implies "I'm not acting yet". So I do have a problem with this, it seems disingenious to me.

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Bingo.

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Haha great point about the language. Sumerian grammar is exactly the same as English. We dont know what all the words mean. They just delete a few words but the grammar is exactly the same.

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not even for a second.

but then again i think all the abduction stories are crap and bunch of myths so there was no chance i would ever have thought this or anything like it was ever real.

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The movie is fake by archive footage alone.*spoiler alert* Just like the Texas Chainsaw ending archive footage(2003)is fake as all outdoors and that whole paranormal activity stuff.This movie took a lot of elements from Whitley Streiber's Communion with seeing the owl and then turns out it is alien thing.Some of the stuff maybe based on "real" events but every thing else was added in by Hollywood.I thought this movie would have the spookiness and all out mystery like other movies and books dealing with aliens but I was terribly disappointed.It would have been fine if they did not add the whole fake archive footage.But no it was all a farce.

My mom's been *beep* a dead guy for 30 years. I call him dad. _Clerks

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as far as aliens. in real life that is fake aswell. as far as paintings and things that depict possiblle aliens that is the human imagination at work.
earth is the only planet in the universe that has life on it. all other planets are completly incapable of life. all other planets out there are either too hot too cold to much hydrogen or poisons in the atomosphere for life to exist.

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Thanks, scientician...

That was one of the more *beep* things I have read on IMDB. A new low!

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yeah uh, first off; we dont know how many planets there are in the universe, nor how many solar systems there are. assuming all life is carbonbased like we are and needs water to survive you could narrow it down a bit i guess, but still have an infinite number of possibilities to deal with. considering that we have found life on earth in place we were 100% sure were completely unable to sustain life, we have yet another parameter to consider. then of course there is the problem that if a planet needs to have a fixed location to a star in order to support life (the right temperature, the right amount of humidity, the right amount of chemicals in the atmosphere and so on and so forth) then that planet and star needs to be in a fixed setting; this isnt the case in the universe. planets live, then they die. stars live, then they die. they are not in a fixed setting and they will not stay obediently in the same situation at all times, effectively affecting the climate on the planets in the solar system.

are you saying that you have calculated that all planets in the entire universe are sucessfully dodging the slightest possibility that any of these parametres will line up well enough to support life? what if life is silicon based instead?

well, there there's an entire new set of parametres to deal with.

you might want to consider contacting nasa because you possibly possess the most important piece of information in the world right now.

perhaps, and im just thinking out loud here, perhaps you are simply wrong.
could be.

now, are aliens here, on earth? probably not; first they would have to find us. they they would need to be able to get to us, and if they could they would probably be such advanced that we would be completely uninteresting to them anyways. thirdly, if they did manage to find us and travel to our solar system for whatever reason, they would have to manage to hide themselfes from us; a very very difficult feat considering that they are not from this world and would create a media barrage like no one else. no, more then likely these alien obductions and ufo sightings are the fabrication of people wanting to believe in something. you see something that you find hard to explain and you grasp for straws. using the term ufo is perfect, since it means unidentified flying object; it could be anything, thus you can push any explanation onto it.

got amnesia? yeah,. must have been aliens. got an anxioty attack and your mind went blank? surely that was an alien. saw an unidentified flying object? surely it was aliens; the only reasonable explanation. right?

not so long ago we believed in witchcraft (some still do), angels and demons were real (some still think they are), and the earth was the center of the universe and the sun was spinning around the earth, and that was it.

yeah, aliens indeed.

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"earth is the only planet in the universe that has life on it. all other planets are completly incapable of life. all other planets out there are either too hot too cold to much hydrogen or poisons in the atomosphere for life to exist."

Golly gosh, you've traveled a lot and don't even have a doco to show for it!

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The guy's a jerkoff troll. We've already found habitable planets.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/dec/19/habitable-planet-discove red-tau-ceti

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Earth is the only planet with life... Really? In a universe with billions of stars, one little rock way out on the edge of an average galaxy is the only one capable of supporting life?

The odds are against that - and some day we'll have empirical evidence to back it up.

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What a narrow-minded and extremely arrogant human being you must be to believe that. That's right, BELIEVE, because you have no evidence to back it up. On the other hand, the evidence that we're not alone in the universe is overwhelming. It's absolutely laughable that you can utter such drivel when many well-respected scientists actually hypothesise the extreme likelihood of intelligent alien life. Go and crawl back into that hole of mediocrity, subjectivity, materialism and closed-mindedness where you belong, because it's abundantly clear that you simply aren't ready to handle, or indeed are too damn scared of, the big questions in life. And learn to spell why you're at it!

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Do you have any idea how many stars there is out there? Here's a good picture, Think about all the grain of sand in this planet even more Think about that stars are surrounded by planets. There has to be something out there for sure!

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as far as aliens. in real life that is fake aswell. as far as paintings and things that depict possiblle aliens that is the human imagination at work.
earth is the only planet in the universe that has life on it. all other planets are completly incapable of life. all other planets out there are either too hot too cold to much hydrogen or poisons in the atomosphere for life to exist.



Do you really believe that one of the billions planets orbiting around one of the billions stars in one of the billions galaxies of the universe (and if we think of the string theories, we could say "universes") could'nt bear life?

Our knowledge in the universe and the cosmogony in general is very poor and mostly based on theories, so asserting that only earth can bear life is a bit mind-closed.

Maybe you believe that the man comes from Adam and Eve!

The fact is that species encountering each other is unprobable (following our own knowledge of space travel based on lightspeed)


And for the movie, it is difficult to believe to its supposedly true elements.

The lame make-up of the "real" Dr Tyler, the Nome Geography, with these giant forests and trees. Over that fact, the director made a clear error of showing the "real" police car's footage of the Tylers' abduction with that house in the middle of a big forest and the flying saucer coming from the edge before the recording stutters (and strangely, the aliens can fly silently, luring every radar and spy satellites, can control people from a distance but aren't able to stop a recording unless they are just above the camera lol).

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.. so you've seen all the other planets in the universe? Congratulations on posting the most ignorant reply ever.

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Let me guess imlivingontheedgein2007, you're a Christian, right? That arrogance can be seen from anywhere in the vast universe that has no life. The earth is the only planet because we're the center of the universe and your god's of choice only children. Give us all a break and at least post a link to show us any kind of evidence whatsoever for your premise in this post.

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earth is the only planet in the universe that has life on it. all other planets are completly incapable of life. all other planets out there are either too hot too cold to much hydrogen or poisons in the atomosphere for life to exist.


yeah there only a few hundred Billion planets out there , so only one of those being able to support life makes perfect sense



When there's no more room in hell, The dead will walk the earth...

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Considering you a man of science.
have a look to what Stephen Hawking has to say (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36769422/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/hawking-aliens-may-pose-risks-earth/#.T4WKFavrrO8)

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Thanks Dr. Sheldon Cooper , now tell me that JESUS will back to earth and the Dinossaurs never exist...maybe that's the human imagination working...

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Ahahaha...

http://gossipcandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/i-see-what-you-did-t here-261.jpg


Oh man, you crack me up. Can't tell if troll, or just retarded.

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The truth is that there are no humans. We are aliens that were abducted, brainwashed and dumped on this planet after the dinosaurs discovered light speed space travel and flew away from this planet. Mystery solved.

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Me thinks you don't know the difference between "Universe" and "Our solar system".

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The story is obviously a sham. However, I have to claim I was uncertain as to whether the film had taken outlandish claims made by a real woman and ran with it, or if the woman was as fictitious as her story.

Having read just a little bit about the movie after, it's become fairly obvious she was an invention of the film, too. Fake or not, she REALLY needs to start eating more. That sh#t is not healthy!

'This is one of the nicest...No, THE nicest army/navy surplus store I've ever seen'

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I did have the luxury of knowing that the movie was fake coming into it. That said, I'm usually pretty skeptical anyway, so I legitimately don't think it would have made much of a difference.

The real Dr. Tyler was just ridiculous. Look, if you want to make someone look permanently frightened and traumatized that's fine -- just don't coat her with so much makeup that she looks like a ghost. That was ridiculous! The credibility of the movie took a huge nosedive five minutes in.

Beyond thought, I thought the movie was pretty entertaining and creepy. At least up until the time we hear the aliens speak. I'm sorry, but that's just downright ridiculous. Aliens start speaking Sumerian? And my interest REALLY started to wane when you heard the alien say something to the effect, "Dr. Tyler... stop... research" (it was broken up and sentence fragments, but the obvious implication was that they were indirectly threatening her because she was uncovering the aliens secret plot).

Finally, the movie downright embarrassed itself with the whole "I am... God" comment. That was just flat-out lame.

I really don't know how anyone could have left the theater believing that was real. If the second half of the movie was consistent with the first half of the movie, then yeah -- it's at least plausible. But some of what happens in the second half is just absurd.

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Agreed 100%.

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The "real" Dr.Tyler is an actress. I guess that woman will never get another role again.I hate camcorder movies it does not make movies authentic it just makes me dizzy.lol

My mom's been *beep* a dead guy for 30 years. I call him dad. _Clerks

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I beLIEVED it was real. I actually had no knowledge at all of this movie when I first watched it; I was house-sitting and wanted something to watch, so put it on.

The introduction by Mila had me believe that what I was about to see was part dramatisation, part real footage/audio from the case studies. Believing this to be the case and knowing that these abductions are really happening, this movie *beep* freaked me OUT! I had to stop watching it several times and try again later.

Having learnt that none of the "actual" footage or audio was in fact actual, I re-watched it and still found it terrifying to even begin to think what the countless (estimated at 33 million in America alone) abductees have been through.

Though not all abductors have been quite as malevolent as these ones seemed, and although not all abductees that have come forward have been quite as traumatised, even under regression hypnosis, it still defies the capabilities of the human mind to comprehend what is happening, without going quite mad, I think... probably a large conributing factor to why many prefer to believe it's not happening.

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I think the movie is very entertaining, but I don't buy the idea that it's real. To me it's just a neat movie, but it smacks way too much of Hollywood writing. If I hadn't logged on here out of curiosity the notion of it being real would have never even occurred to me.

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To me and my brother watching it, it became obvious it was a fake early into it. I just keep getting the impression that alien abduction stories are just covers for other stories such as Uncle Thoms busy little hands on little Jimmy in the middle of the night, or Susan's sudden miracle pregnancy was not from getting buffed while loaded on a saturday night.

Not that I don't believe in Aliens because I do, the Universe is just too massive for us to think we're that special. But anything with the intelligence to travel to distant stars would probably have a consicousness to not abuse the crap out of other creatures the way we do to each other.

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