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Why did you give "Selma" a rating of 1?


"Selma" is carrying an excellent overall IMDb rating of 7.7. Sixty-eight percent of people rated it 8, 9, or 10. However, a significant minority--almost 9%--of people who voted gave it a rating on 1. As I write this, that's 424 people who believe that this was a truly terrible movie. OK--we all have the right to our opinion. However, I'm curious about this.

My question to those 424 people is, "Why did you give this movie at rating of 1?" Simple question, and I'll leave it at that. Sincerely, Red-125

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i know the answer, but IMDb won't let me use such language.

and it's just one word.

~~This is a game to you...but the second YOU feel threatened, suddenly its not a game anymore.~~

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Dear blackalaureate, Thanks for writing. Can you use a euphemism for the one word? Or use several words to describe your thoughts? This isn't a game to me. However, I'm not sure what you mean by feeling threatened. I'm Caucasian, but I've been in civil rights actions where I did feel physically threatened. Is that what you meant? Or, did you mean threatened in a societal sense? Red-125

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I do not believe that portion was part of his response.
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You read his reply wrong. He was going to say "racist". That they are racist and thats why they gave it a one. But some people react to that word strongly. Mostly he's not entirely serious. This movie in no way truly deserves a one. I haven't seen it yet but I will as long as its nothing like the butler. Which I didn't like and couldn't really sit through. 12 years was better but I didn't think it was best film of the year. I did think that the Help was when it lost, that one had to be the best. I just know that there's no way this could really earn a one. So many films don't.

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Dear Alejandro, Thanks for this. Delta clarified that he was, indeed, speaking about racism in others. Red-125

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I think you read it wrong, the word he couldn't express here is not "racist" but *beep*

Anybody correct me if i'm wrong, but this is what i interpret from his comment.

Edit: Mmh turns out i was too explicit myself, let's try again: "n*gg*r"


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Red, the easiest answer is probably the one you had in your head when you posted this question. Racism.

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terrible casting
Terrible acting
Misrepresentation of facts
Denigration of LBJ- the pres that made it all happen
Lack of authenticity

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Dear cruzeh2002, Thanks for writing. You thought the acting was terrible, and I thought it was great. No sense following along that road. No problem--our opinions differ. However, I'd like to know more specifics about misrepresentation of facts and lack of authenticity. I was in the Civil Rights March in 1963. I didn't participate in the Selma walk, but I think the newspapers and TV stations showed events that were accurately portrayed on screen. However, I'm not an expert, so I'd be interested to learn what aspects of facts and authenticity you found incorrect. Red-125

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Yes, it appears that the producer and others went to great lengths to research their facts. This makes it all the more disheartening that they chose to portray PRES LBJ as some sort of villain. In reality, he was the one who used his power to pass these bills through Congress against all the odds. The producer does not have the right to CHANGE the actual history of this country's events/presitdential actions. Movie makers often use dramatic license and bend reality in their movies, but few events match the importance of the Civil Rights struggle in this country. If they were going to change history to fit their story line, they should have put a disclaimer at the beginning which said just that. The actor that played LBJ obviously did not study any of LBJ s speeches, especially the "we Shall Overcone" speech. The actor failed to convey the emotion of the original March 15, 1965 speech to The Congress. The actor who played J Edgar Hoover did a good imitation of Hoover, but looked nothing like Hoover. Hoover was a black man passing for white who basically self loathed himself. The actor had piercing blue eyes-FAIL. Gone were the inspirational hymns of the marches too and crappy rap in its place- WTH. As I said before, the snippets at the end of the film could have been more illustrative and been used to bridge the races together. E.g., they could have mentioned that George Wallace eventually repudiated his racism and attended services at Dexter Ave Baptist church. They could have illustrated more about what Coretta Scott King did in her later years.

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Dear cruzeh, Thanks for writing. Very interesting thoughts. Red-125

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Hoover was a black man passing for white who basically self loathed himself
I am waiting for this movie to be made. At first I thought this was a joke when people were commenting about the Leo DiCaprio flic (i am not American so wouldn't know), but then when I saw pix of how Hoover looked when he was a youth, I was like wow.


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This makes it all the more disheartening that they chose to portray PRES LBJ as some sort of villain. In reality, he was the one who used his power to pass these bills through Congress against all the odds. The producer does not have the right to CHANGE the actual history of this country's events/presitdential actions

Oh you mean the same LBJ that was known for referring to black people as the n word? Or is it the same LBJ that blocked any and all civil rights legislation for 20 years while in Congress. He was part of the southern voting block and was actually against civil rights but finally relented because he was afraid of an uprising. You sound salty because they didn't present LBj as some great white savior, which he wasn't. Funny how people want to revise history, he was not some champion of the people. Miss me with your bull$hit.

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Dear IMDb people: Just because I started the thread, that doesn't mean I have control over it. Still, may I ask everyone to state her/his opinion and avoid hostile, ad feminem and ad hominem remarks? Thanks. Red-125

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I'm late to the party, but I like your style, Red-125. Well done.

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Dear Liptaks,

I really appreciate the effort you made to compliment me. I believe in civil discourse. People can always agree to disagree without becoming trolls. Did you like Selma? Red-125

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I have not seen it, Red. It's on Amazon Prime, which is sometimes how I'll catch up on films I missed in theaters. I recently saw Noah, Solomon Kane, Song of the Sea, Chi-Raq and Mortdecai because of Prime. I'll get to Selma soon, and I'm happy to let you know my thoughts in this thread. Have a great weekend!

-- Jer in Deerfield, NH

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Dear Jer.

OK--will look for your posting. Red.

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OK, Red. I saw Selma two nights ago, and I found the film to be good, not great. Though set in the 60s, unfortunately it's timely. By that I mean the problems of racism, prejudice, and fear remain and, like all evil, require the shining light of exposure, ugly as it may be.

I didn't feel Oyelowo's performance was worthy of an Oscar, but I now understand the view he should have at least garnered a nomination.

When I know what's going to happen in a film or when I know the historical events upon which a film is based, I want to be surprised and touched by detailed personal interactions and relationships. That's something DuVernay did in Selma, but not consistently. The sequence leading up to and including the murder of Jimmie Lee Jackson was harrowing, and the more I've thought about it, the more I think of Selma as a sort of horror film. I was really, really angry watching that scene -- sick to my stomach -- and the slight shaking of the menus while the protesters tried to hide in the restaurant was truly memorable. On the other hand, I thought the relationship of the Kings was handled too broadly, and I wasn't moved particularly by Ejogo's portrayal of a conflicted Coretta Scott King.

I certainly look forward to DuVernay's future work, especially A Wrinkle in Time, which should be right up her alley.

Back to your original post: A rating of 1? No way. A rating of 10? No, but it's good. I rate it a 7.5 (or three stars out of four). Thanks for reading (and writing!).

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Dear Liptaks,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I was interested in your comments, which brought the film back to me. My thought is that if a major studio gets a good director to make a good commercial film, and if it works, I give it a 10. We agree--definitely not a 1. Red

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looks like cruzeh2002 has outed themselves.

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lol u actually believe in youre own *beep*

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Dear Klepman, Thanks for writing. Your letter speaks for itself. Red-125

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Dear BaconsRebellion, Thanks for writing. There does appear that some people who voted "1" did so because they hated the portrayal of LBJ. Unfortunately, we'll never know when/whether basic civil rights would have come to Black people if Dr. King hadn't taken the actions he did. Red-125

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This excuse of giving it a one over the portrayal of LBJ is about as beleivable as 'some of my best friends are black'

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Dear James, Thanks for writing. I'll remain neutral on your comment. It did seem strange to me that LBJ had so many IMDb supporters who would bash the film. However, I think some of them were sincere. Red-125

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Dear BaconsRebellion, Thanks for writing. There does appear that some people who voted "1" did so because they hated the portrayal of LBJ. Unfortunately, we'll never know when/whether basic civil rights would have come to Black people if Dr. King hadn't taken the actions he did. Red-125

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Plus it was racist


I'm not sure to laugh or cry about reading this from a guy with "www.jewwatch.com" in his signature.

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i found the LBJ portrayal on of the most accurate I have ever seen on film.

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Civil rights would never have seen the light of day had white people and the government not been firmly behind it.


You mean the same people who actually created the situation?

LBJ, was a man who did good on his promise regarding civil rights, but was not pro civil rights through his entire political career. On that point I do agree, they should have made that clearer. He did good in the end.

But this would not have been done without people like MLK, people who stood up and demanded civil rights. Sure, the politicians had to react, and they had only one choice, the movement had become so strong and could not be denied nor ignored by the powers that be at that time.

I am not saying that no white person or politician was pro civil rights before the movement started. There was several who stood by it, but here we go into political territory again, there are some things a politician cannot say out loud if they want to stay in office. Specially in those days regarding civil rights.

To say that civil rights would not have seen the light of day without the white people and the government is plain ignorant and disrespectful to those who started and lived trough it.

Change come from the people, change can only be done by the governments by the demand of the masses.

It has always been an interesting fact for me that "the land of the free and the home of the brave" was not what we today would call "free" and all considered equal by far.

They where at the times also way behind many other nations regarding this issue. In the United Kingdom the removal of voting rights based on Religion and race occurred in 1791 and 1829.

Colombia 1853, Germany 1919 and so on. The US would have been facing a similar situation as South Africa if not for the civil rights act in the end.

And that, is simply due to a few people who dared to speak out, and gave so many more the courage to join in. So that the government in the end had to agree.

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cruzeh2002, You named five things but really it's actually two things. Terrible casting does account for bad acting. Misrepresentation of facts would also fall into lack of authenticity and denigration of Lyndon Johnson.

Now if you don't like the film, fine. But to give it a 1 is simply ludicrous.

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Why do you feel the need to rate it if you haven't seen it?

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Dear Truce, Thanks for asking the question before I did. It never occurred to me that people would give a movie a rating without seeing it. I find that bizarre, and, also, unfair to others of us who haven't seen the movie, and are using IMDb ratings to decide. Luckily, this film is so good that it's riding above the rating of 1's that some people gave it. Red-125

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How bizarre.... Rating a film never seen ... How immoral

I swallowed a bug ...

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Dear American Champion, Certainly you can give any film any rating you please. (Actually, everyone who is an IMDb member has that right, not just Americans.) Someone else asked you the same question I'm going to ask you. How can you give a film a rating without seeing it? We all agree that the Selma to Montgomery March happened, and if you want to make a movie about it, how can you not cast African-Americans? And, what's wrong with wanting your film to win an Oscar? This discussion has taken an Alice-in-Wonderland turn. Red-125

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That doesn't make any damn sense. You yourself said that 12 Years a Slave was a great movie and haven't seen Selma, therefore your conception of overrated is absurd and counter-intuitive.

And, the reason that these movies about racism get made and win awards is because they are great human interest stories and well crafted. Besides, there are plenty movies about slavery and the Civil Rights Movement that don't see the light of day for the Oscars.

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one movie a year about racism is not enough.

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one movie a year about racism is not enough.

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because zero was offered as an option

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Dear dfinde, Thanks for writing. I think you meant that zero wasn't offered as an option, but I get the point. The problem with an answer like that is that it's not very helpful to the rest of us. OK--why would you have liked to give the film a zero? Red-125

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Haven't seen the movie, but now that the Oscars have enlightened me to its existence I'll be rating it a 1 because I know it's like every other film glorifying MLK instead of telling the truth about him being a lying, womanizing cheated his way through school and who shouldn't be a "doctor" because he plagiarized his PhD thesis. Until that unbiased honest film is made I'll be rating them a 1.

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Why is "unbiased", to you, mean that it's a hit job on his personal life? And, what makes you say that it's film glorifying King if you haven't seen it? MLK having affairs is well, well documented and discussed. It's not really that important to his accomplishments, nor particularly unique among powerful men. Not in the least. His thesis was shown to have issues with poor citations of material used from other sources, but his university determined that it was a solid contribution to academic thought to refrain from revoking his degree (Nor was King hiding his use of other sources.). Again, this situation hasn't exactly been swept under the rug, either.

The truth is that his accomplishments and contributions are exceptionally large and influential in a positive way for our country. If you really want, I can tear down most any American "hero, if you like, as they are all flawed individuals. King gets the credit he does because he deserved it, no question.

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Please direct me to the other feature films about MLK. There aren't any... so I'm not sure what other films that have seen the light of day in theaters you're talking about. Also, if you'd seen the film, you'd know that his womanizing was very much touched upon.

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i initially gave it a 7 rating but when i came here to see what people were saying about the film i noticed that anyone who didn't give the movie 10 was being accused of racism,so i changed my score to 1.

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I feel like that should have prompted you to comment on the message boards about that trend, not change your ranking to something you obviously don't think it deserves since you initially rated it a 7.

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How very mature of you.

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Dear simpsonsnoop, Thanks for writing. I think you should reconsider. Nothing I ever wrote suggested that the movie had to be rated 10. It's clear that many people who gave Selma a rating of 1 are racists--they say so. But not people who give it a 7. Red-125

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I never said feature films, just films. But to answer your question: "Our Friend, Martin", "Alpha Man" (lol @ that title btw), "Boycott", and I'm sure there's probably a ton of documentaries I could google up if I dug hard enough. My point is his glorification is easily accessible to the mainstream media. His being a lying cheat is usually tucked safely away in books--or on the Web in this day and age--for non-sheep to find. All of those other people mentioned here, presidents and the like, their mistakes are readily mentioned at any given turn in the media. But NOT the black saint's (who I am surprised hasn't been canonized come to think of it).

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I haven't had a hard time finding anything online about his faults. Everyone knows he cheated on his wife. The issue with his thesis hasn't been hidden. But at the end of the day, like it or not, his contributions to society are outstanding and simply outweigh those faults. The film didn't portray him as a perfect saint as I said before,and even still, this film was not a biopic, which is what I think would've made what your comments more relevant. And I don't think it makes sense to compare a large scale movie like this about a very particular moment in the civil rights movement to any other crap TV movie that had existed before.

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Dear Angelica, Thank you for writing. I also have noticed a dearth of films about the Civil Rights movement in general, and about Dr. King in particular. Dr. King wasn't a perfect human being or a saint, but, in my opinion, he was one of the greatest figures in American history. I think "Selma" captured that. Red-125

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Thank you!

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But they did talk about his affairs in the movie. In what sense is it glorified?

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If IMDB serves any purpose, it is to helpless identity these oxygen stealing idiots

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People who actually believe this deserves such a high rating are either religious in the senses they are completely delusional or are pro affirmative action. These types of films are so cliche anyways , same story same whining about oppression . Why don't we make a movie about a thousand other atrocities endured by various other groups of people that had it much worse than African Americans. 1 vote to neutralize affirmative action voting.

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Whining about oppression or celebrating the accomplishments of a just struggle with the telling of fascinating story? The only tiresome comments are the whining ones like yours. If you bothered to read a book on the subject, you might realize that Hollywood actually sanitizes the struggles in the movement. It was much more difficult and worse than depicted in the movies and television.

And, what groups had it "much worse" than African-Americans? And, you don't see the various movies about other groups that suffered, either? Holocaust movies? Movies about Native Americans? Japanese internment? WW II prison camps? Etc., etc. Why only complain about black people telling their stories?

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Dear Vorspiel, Thanks for writing. Your letter speaks for itself. Red-125

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I am none of the things you listed, but I'd give this movie 8/10.
I do not see how this movie is cliche. An African-American woman directing a film about one of the most important events for her demographic in that place and time? Not cliche.

But I am very curious, who has had it worse than African Americans in your opinion?

Almost every oppressed group has had films covering their struggles, which is a great thing. These stories deserve to be told. These stories deserve to affect those of us who were not around to witness them. And these stories deserve to make us realize that in a lot of ways, things have not changed.

Is the Holocaust also cliche? *rolls eyes*

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Simply put...it was boring.

And it wasn't a new take at all. Since I've been alive the 60's and what happened then has been beaten into the ground.

It just bores me to tears. Well, actually it bored me to sleep ;-)

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Dear tmcmurra, Thanks for writing. No other comment. Red-125

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Yes, it was boring and slow at times. But boring enough to be considered one of the worst movies ever made?

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