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Best villain of the show?


For me its Ramsay hands down, he was sadistic as fuck, he broke the minds of his victims, he skinned them, he played with them, and he was so damn entertaining as a bad guy to watch.

One of my favorite moments of his is when Theon's sister sneaks in to break him out and Ramsay comes to them shirtless and bloody saying "This is turning into a lovely evening", then pulls two daggers out and starts slicing.

Joffrey is also a good one just cause he was so fucking unbearable you desperately wanted to see him die. But in terms of entertainment and bad assery and being sadistic, Ramsay's got my vote.

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Joffrey gets the nod imo. Was a fantastic villain.

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Top 3:
1- The High Sparrow
2- Sansa
3- Cersei for having three damned kids: a sadistic criminal, a brainless idiot and a whore...

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The High Sparrow was an interesting one because at times it seemed like he was a good guy and at other times like a villain.

How was Myrcella a whore??

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The High Sparrow was never, never a good guy. Without being as Sadistic as Ramsey or Joffrey or as machiavellic and selfish as Sansa, the way the High Sparrow gained control over King's Landing was scary. The way he brainwashed people and controlled the idiot King was magnificent. What he did to Cersei, I think now one could have done it, not even Danny with all his power. He almost destroyed the noble and power houses in the capital, he had all of them on his knees and he had no real "power" behind him...

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Joffrey was easily the most hate-able for me, but he wasn't cunning or formidable. The best villain was Tywin. Melisandre was also an excellent villain. and her turn in the latter seasons heightens the work early on because it's open to debate.

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Ramsay and Joffrey are too one note for me.

The best villains are those that you sorta understand why they do what they do.

They need to have context rather than simply "black hat".

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Ramsey was horrible, but I got tired of him after a while. By the time Sansa kills him, I was hoping he would die not because he was a sadistic sociopath, but because it had gotten to the point that I would just sigh whenever I saw him on screen.

If Dany's arc had been better developed, it would probably be her, but as it is, I'm going with Tywin. The dude rides a horse into the throne room and has it take a dump RIGHT THERE. He was intelligent AND a psychopath. Plus, he has an awesome death scene.

Melisandre and the High Sparrow are also up there.

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I like Tywin, i liked Charles Dance's performance, but i don't get why alot see him as some great villain, to me he never did anything that villainous, he was nice to Arya, he put Joffrey in his place, he always made Cersei feel small and would also put her in her place. He was awful to Tyrion but besides that he didn't do anything thats really that awful. He was always calm and was always doing what he thought was best for his house.

I mean when you compare how awful Joffrey and Ramsay was and the horrible things they did, Tywin doesn't seem that bad.

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Oh, he was a villain all right, but he was also a brilliant man and did an almost entirely excellent job of running the government of Westeros. He was, in GRRM's words, "everything a king should be, but was not a king", and as such he was personally as impressive as all hell.

But he used his powers for evil ends, rather than good. He made war on the Starks because his son had tried to kill an innocent child. His end game was to put his grandchildren on the throne and create a Lannister dynasty (even more literally than he realized), and to that end he supported the rule of psychopathic King Joffrey. He treated Tyrion like dirt for being a dwarf, and looked him in the eye and sentenced him to death when he as framed. He used horrible tactics in an unjust war, he sent the Mountain out to slaughter and terrorize the innocent population of the Riverlands, to weaken opposition. He arranged "the Red Wedding", which broke all the social rules and mores of Westeros in one go.


And I adored watching him anyway. Dance was THAT good.

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He wasn't blatantly sadistic like Joffrey or Ramsey, but that doesn't make him any less of a villain. In fact, I think it makes him MORE of a villain, because he's so calculating and careful. When you first see him, you don't realize just how horrible a person he is -- we just don't like him because at that point in the story, we're rooting against the Lannisters.

And then you get to know him more, and you start to see the man who ordered the rape and murder of Elia Martel and her children. Who orders the burning of the Riverlands and orchestrates the Red Wedding and who knows Tyrion was innocent of Joffrey's murder but sentences him to die anyway. He's so Machiavellian and efficient in everything he does, but because of all the times he puts Joffrey and Cersei into their places, you don't necessarily see that he's a psychopath until you're totally drawn into trusting that he knows what's good for the realm. That's how good of a villain he is.

And Dance played him SO WELL.

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The best villain was either Joffrey or Tywin.

Worst was either Ramsay or Euron.

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Euron was the worst. Barely developed, and played by a raging ham twerp.

Ramsay wasn't my fave, I got tired of his endless gruesome sadism pretty damn fast, but he was played by a VERY good actor, one who gave him a certain amount of charisma and dimension.

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Both Ramsay and Euron were essentially the same character: two-dimensional psychos who were covered in plot armour and ridiculously competent (Ramsay outwitting Roose Bolton and Littlefinger, defeating the Ironborn and Stannis, killing a giant; Euron defeating the Sandsnakes and killing a dragon) because the storyline necessitated it, before becoming conveniently stupid enough to kill.

They also hung around way on the show way too long.

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Ramsay would have been better in smaller doses. He was played by a very good actor who tried to make him more intelligent and surprising than he really was, but yeah, under all the flourishes he really was just a two-dimensional psycho. I might think better of the character, if he'd had less screen time!

But Euron was horrible in every way, shallow one-dimensional psycho played by a terrible ham, and the writers didn't bother themselves about making anything he did believable. The only thing I'll give him credit for is one good scene, where he asked Jamie how Cersei liked it in bed. Other than that, he was a total waste of film.

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The "1000 ships and 2 good hands" was an awesome line. I had such high hopes for him after that scene. Hopes that were never realized...

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That’s exactly how I’d describe, Ramsey. A sadistic one note villain, but played by a very good actor that gave him charisma & dimension.

Joffrey was the best love to hate type. With his smirky grins and twerpy attitude.

Speaking of twerp, I also always enjoyed the scenes with Catelyn’s crazy sister? Sister in law?
The crazy woman with the moon door and her weird son. They were so weird, that you didn’t know what could happen next with them.

But my favorite has to be Charles Dance’s, Tywin... I was seriously bummed when his character died. Worrying the show wouldn’t be as good as it was, without him. He was that good of an actor. Honestly looking back, it kinda turned out to be true. Season 4 was the shows pinnacle moment, as far as I see it. Loved the scene with his horse taking a giant dump on the throne room floor.

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FYI that was Catelyn's sister, and one of the more amusing thing about her was Catelyn coming to the Vale with Tyrion as her prisoner, and seeing her beloved sister for the first time since they'd married and moved to separate "kingdoms". The look on Cat's face when she realized her sister had gone batshit crazy!

And Tywin's horse dumping on the throne room floor was a happy accident, according to the DVD extras. Well, maybe not happy for the crew guys who had to clean it up, but it made a great scene.

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Nice. Thanks, didn’t know that was something that was unplanned.

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Lyanna Stark, her ignorance started a war which killed her father, brother, father-in-law, husband and also thousands of innocents.

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That war would have happened in some form, the way Rhegar's father was burning the sort of high nobles who could raise armies against him alive in front of the throne.

And Rhegar was correct, he married Lyanna because of some prophecy he'd found about the need to breed some Prince Who Was Promised to save mankind. And yes, even though Jon was an idiot and his story kind of petered out at the end, he did save mankind, or Westeros. He was mainly responsible for the Living putting up a fight against the Dead, and directly responsive for... you know.

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Karl Fookin' Tanner, the Legend o' Gin Lane!

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