let's note those 88 items on the director's check list:
1- every 10 minutes, introduce a suspect with a possible motive
2- out of ideas to get pacino out of trouble? Do a fire truck action sequence. audience won't remember anything after that.
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2- out of ideas to get pacino out of trouble? Do a fire truck action sequence. audience won't remember anything after that
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OMG, I forgot that scene. This movie is really a "wtf movie"!
Whoa! I totally forgot that scene too! After I read the post, I was thinking: What firetruck??!!!
LOL
Ooh, floor popcorn.
*chompchompchomp*
the movie could have been worse. it was average. No where near Pacino's best or even on his top 10 movies but it was still fun to watch. Very predictable movie.
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3. Pacino is a super, brilliant, smart thinker but doesn't realise that when you break your phone, you don't have to take someone else's you can just swap the simcard over.
4 Convicted murderers on death row get to do live interviews on MSNBC just a couple of hours before getting topped.
5. ..and take calls in a kind of 'Dead Man Walking' phone-in.
6. Introduce red-hot, ambitious, young go-getting guy from the DA's office, give him a major character developing scene early in the movie, and then send him home - never to be seen or heard from again.
7. Keep male interest up with occasional gratuitous nudity of young hottie.
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I just loved how that firetruck runs through the crowd and people have to dive out of the way. That's my kind of emergency worker. Kill more people than you save.
This movie was so dumb, and my standards are extremely low.
HAHAHA i am a fireman and watched this last night at the firehouse. We laughed our ass off at the firetruck flying through a crowd of people. Especially when there are already other trucks on scene for a long time... HA!
sharePacinos hair
movies
College Road trip 1/10
88 Minutes 4/10
Forbidion Kingdom 6/10
arguably Pacino's worst.
8 - (SPOILER !!!!!!!) If you are convicted and about to be executed, have the guy who arrested you admit at gunpoint (ever heard of forced confession ?) that he was wrong. You'll be immediatly released and Live Happily Ever After.
shareYes, that part is so moronic that, "it insults my intelligence." (Pacino - The Godfather). Lauren is supposed to be lawyer, right? No lawyer could be brainwashed enough by a serial killer to forget that a coerced confession is more than worthless in court.
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Hilarious...I was thinking the same thing and said to my wife at the end..."Damn Al's hair is ridiculous...he looks like he's been driving with his head out of the window"
share..that WAS some big crazy hair.
shareI seriously thought that somehow the killer got a hold of a fire truck and was trying to run him down because that was so incredibly odd that emergency workers would zoom in so fast to a crowd of victims.
shareTo dudeman - I got more laughs out of your firetruck comment than I did the entire movie. terrible, terrible script.
sharestupid thing: to cast Pacino. What a waist of talent. Hope he gets better projects. Two for the money was bad, but 88 was outrageous
"It's all about small stuff. You know, small lies, small mistakes."
This movie was worse than the moon being pushed into my left eye!
Absolute trump
"I just loved how that firetruck runs through the crowd and people have to dive out of the way. That's my kind of emergency worker. Kill more people than you save."
Dude, that made me howl. Well written, at least 1000% better than the drivel of a script that was 88 Minutes.
Actually, the movie blowed. And cmcasper needs ritalin
shareWho invited Napoleon Dynamite into the forum?
Your third comeback has a lot to do with the writing, and nothing to do with the star. The problem existed before Pacino signed on (presumably).
8. Naming a suspect Guy LaForge. That name cracks me up every time.
9. The taxi driver appearing out of nowhere near the end of the film to say "I'll wait if you give me another 100 dollars". The randomness of that line almost rivaled Spider Man 3's "how's the pie - soooooo good" sequence.
and why was "Guy LaForge" from ENGLAND?!?!
share"9. The taxi driver appearing out of nowhere near the end of the film to say "I'll wait if you give me another 100 dollars". The randomness of that line almost rivaled Spider Man 3's "how's the pie - soooooo good" sequence."
The taxi driver was paid $100 plus tip earlier to let Dr. Gramm drive while he rode in back and then Dr. Gramm paid him more money at Sarah's house to wait for him. It wasn't out of nowhere.
As usual, people fail to give logical reasoning for why a movie is supposedly bad. What a hilarious epidemic. I loved the movie; it was a rare treat where I was actually compelled to follow everything and try to put the pieces together and not be fooled into other suggested outcomes (my conclusion was correct, too).
I guess psychology isn't for everyone. Then again neither is logic, sensibility or intellectuality.
Matthew Lillard for Carnage in Spider-Man 4!
LMFAO... I didn't even pay attention to that till I was reading this on my Treo laying in bed with my wife and my sleeping kid. I busted out laughing and woke them up haha
shareI think they granted him an interview because of the nature of his conviction, the current murders exactly like his still out there, and the fact that Dr. gramm called in was a ratings "b---job" (an unexpected treat LoL). I didn't find it too surprising because the Media will do anything for ratings.
shareSo, I take it this movie was not very good then. I was thinking of going to see it, but I don't think I will now.
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hmm i wonder what someone w/o team mobile would do to switch that simcard over... being that no other carrier that I am aware of has that feature. Not to mention both Dr. Gramm and Kim would BOTH have to have the same cell carrier and he would still need to take Kim's phone.
Nice try though.
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3) Except the actual phone was broken and not the SIM card.
share3, in fact you DO NEED to take an other persons phone to put your simcard in, genius
7, you think that was stupid? You gay?
10. The director blew it by not using the Nails' "88 Lines About 44 Women."
shareLOL, I agree they are things of silliness. Still, I enjoyed this movie.
share11. Warrants in 12 minutes
12. The line "What is Forensic Psychiatry anyway?"
13. Overly periodic points of ominous music accompanied with long deep stares casting doubt on EVERY character.
14. Too many characters with shady backgrounds
15. 30 year olds playing young college kids.
16. Al Pacino grabbing an easy paycheck
17. Taking only 3 and a half minutes to walk across Seattle College campus.
18. Absurd phone marketing
19. Going to ridiculous lengths to continue a gimmick premise
20. Clue + Insomnia = Swing and a miss
21. The morale of the story = "It's okay to plant evidence, lie under oath and coerce witnesses, as long as your sure it was Colonel Mustard in the Billiard room with the candlestick."
22. Tick Tock Doc
23. Little girl with kite on the lake front... we get it... she's innocent and he feels guilty. Why don't you just make the girl jump rope while licking an over-sized lollipop and mispronouncing spaghetti as "sgetti with meat bulbs"?
24. Bad recurring rap song/Al Pacino's dancing
25. The line "Why don't you start accessing yourself, Jack?
26. The ending solved by a trusty recorder. Thank you Kevin McCalister, you and your trusty Talkboy have foiled the crooks once again.
i could seriously write the last 62 but I might give myself an aneurysm. I watched this movie at a screening and i started writing down the things I didn't like after the horrible opening credits scene. It's bad when 3 minutes in, you know it's going to be bad. This was probably the worst movie of the year so far. And trust me, i sat through Diary of the Dead.
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Once again: THIS IS JUST A MOVIE!!! A 90 minutes of fun, and nothing else. There's no need to search for mistakes or anomalies in it? Just...see it, or don't see it. But i could find 88 stupid things about this post:
1.It's dumb
2.It's stupid
3.It's meaningless
4.It's foolish
5.It's dull
6.It's moronic
7.It's idiotic
8.It's pointlesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...etc...etc...etc
What you should know is that no one cares abou this bull-sh*t you writing. Al Pacino is Michael, Tony, Gramm...
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE???!!!
pacino is also carlitos, probably my favorite pacino character.
share1)Pacino's bad dye job
2)Why would an angry lesbian be entranced with a male serial killer?
3)Horrible script
4)Bad locale
I don't understand why Pacino would waste his time on this piece of garbage. I am sure he doesn't need the money. This movie is the worst of the year so far.
> What you should know is that no one cares abou this bull-sh*t you writing.
well some people care since some people answer... i mean... well like you..
this movie was not fun.. and my standards are pretty low!
Careful, everyone! cudak31177-1 has got a thesaurus - and he knows how to use it!
Kodak makes films, Hollywood makes MOVIES!
the real shame is (and I haven't seen this in over a year from when it got leaked obviously) that i remember Pacino being pretty decent in this one. I also like forsythe and Mcdonough as actors.
then there's LeeLee... yeah.
just too contrived in the end.
this turd started steaming from the very beginning. the blonde defense attorney's objections. is it the air in canada that makes anything filmed there come off so bland and uninspired?
sharewasnt that blonde lawyer at the start in righteous kill as the druggie lawyer? CHARACTER CROSSOVER!!!!
share- When figuring out how to disguise her voice on the phone Leelee Sobieski apparently went with "Jigsaw" from Saw.
- If you're on death row and are in the process of getting interviewed on MSNBC on the day of your scheduled execution it's not uncommon to be granted your stay of execution in the middle of the interview. I smell Daytime Emmy.
Shut your hole, threads like these are really funny get over it crybaby.
shareSeriously, are you complaining that people are discussing a movie on a website oriented around movie discussing? If we took you advice, we should never analyze any movie; we should just mindlessly view it. Quit complaining.
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Finding things wrong with the movie is the only way to be entertained by it.
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There are plenty of older people in colleges, especially graduate programs like this one seemed to be. I go to college and a school that has more grad students then undergrad and there are a lot of older people.
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To play devil's advocate here, (no not intended to be a Pacino ref)
"11. Warrants in 12 minutes"
- Kind of a major case, I'm sure thing can get expedited a bit.
"13. Overly periodic points of ominous music accompanied with long deep stares casting doubt on EVERY character."
- If they didn't cast doubt on every character it wouldn't have been interesting. When he gave Kim the bullets back I was expecting the ending to be them siting in a car and Kim saying "your 88 minutes are up" and shooting him in the head.
"14. Too many characters with shady backgrounds"
- Who had shady backgrounds? Mike was a student who wanted to explore his professor's biggest case, not all that shady. Kim was a rich girl with a "badboy" boyfriend, not uncommon. Guy was the "badboy" boyfriend, wouldn't have worked if he didn't have a shady background. Dale was hired as a call girl. You get super paranoid and dig into anyone's past enough they'll probably seem shady.
"15. 30 year olds playing young college kids."
- Grad students maybe?
"17. Taking only 3 and a half minutes to walk across Seattle College campus."
- Did they ever say where the office building was located? I'm not familiar with the campus, and you're probably right, but seriously, what movie doesn't have these kind of goofs.
"18. Absurd phone marketing"
- I didn't even notice phone marketing - I don't think they made any obvious attempts to show off a carrier or brand. Most movies that have cell phones as a key point, IE. Casino Royale, Departed, etc are MUCH worse.
"19. Going to ridiculous lengths to continue a gimmick premise"
- I thought burning down an entire apartment building was a bit much. Also, didn't quite understand why she was shooting at him before the 88 minutes were up. I'll have to give you this one.
"21. The morale of the story = "It's okay to plant evidence, lie under oath and coerce witnesses, as long as your sure it was Colonel Mustard in the Billiard room with the candlestick.""
-Well, this is a common theme in crime dramas and such, and of course, turns out he got the right guy. You'll find just as many movies/shows, 16 Blocks/every episode of Law & Order, that have the opposite theme: where they planted evidence or coached a witness and got the wrong guy. Blah blah blah.
"23. Little girl with kite on the lake front... we get it... she's innocent and he feels guilty. Why don't you just make the girl jump rope while licking an over-sized lollipop and mispronouncing spaghetti as "sgetti with meat bulbs"?"
- Should they have instead gave us a memory of her defecating? Or perhaps just show her watching TV mindlessly? I don't see anything wrong with this scene.
"26. The ending solved by a trusty recorder. Thank you Kevin McCalister, you and your trusty Talkboy have foiled the crooks once again."
- How was the ending solved by the recorder? I'm pretty sure the ending was solved by Pacino setting up a meet with Frank for 5 minutes before his time was up. Frank of course in dramatic fashion was 5 minutes late. None-the-less he saw a woman dressed in leather pointing a gun at Pacino, holding another woman from falling to her death by a rope, with yet another tied up. Not to mention Kim and the Dean both survived as eye witnesses. So how exactly did the recorder come into play... at all? In fact I got the impression Pacino pocketed the recorder, so he could destroy it so no one would ever hear him confess to coaching the witness.
I enjoyed the movie. Was it a masterpiece? no. But what is these days? Movies with complicated plots confuse and turn off casual movie goers, movies with simplistic plots just aren't interesting to anyone. In the end most movies bombarded us with big budgets, CGI, and the mandatory "young romance" theme to mask the fact that they have no plot and are just a mindless romp. 88 minutes tried to be a bit smarter while still being entertaining, and I think it succeeded.
30 year olds playing young college kids ?
They were graduate students in the upper years of medical school.
When they showed the copy of Leelee Sobieski's license, it said 1978.. which would make her about 28-29 at the time, which would be about right for anybody at that level of schooling except the best and brightest who never took a year or two off...
also she says in the lecture hall, to Dr. Gramm "been there done that" when he directs her to the "law school across the campus"
Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them?
11. Warrants in 12 minutes
12. The line "What is Forensic Psychiatry anyway?"
13. Overly periodic points of ominous music accompanied with long deep stares casting doubt on EVERY character.
14. Too many characters with shady backgrounds
15. 30 year olds playing young college kids.
16. Al Pacino grabbing an easy paycheck
17. Taking only 3 and a half minutes to walk across Seattle College campus.
18. Absurd phone marketing
19. Going to ridiculous lengths to continue a gimmick premise
20. Clue + Insomnia = Swing and a miss
21. The morale of the story = "It's okay to plant evidence, lie under oath and coerce witnesses, as long as your sure it was Colonel Mustard in the Billiard room with the candlestick."
22. Tick Tock Doc
23. Little girl with kite on the lake front... we get it... she's innocent and he feels guilty. Why don't you just make the girl jump rope while licking an over-sized lollipop and mispronouncing spaghetti as "sgetti with meat bulbs"?
24. Bad recurring rap song/Al Pacino's dancing
25. The line "Why don't you start accessing yourself, Jack?
26. The ending solved by a trusty recorder. Thank you Kevin McCalister, you and your trusty Talkboy have foiled the crooks once again.
i could seriously write the last 62 but I might give myself an aneurysm. I watched this movie at a screening and i started writing down the things I didn't like after the horrible opening credits scene. It's bad when 3 minutes in, you know it's going to be bad. This was probably the worst movie of the year so far. And trust me, i sat through Diary of the Dead.
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27. Killer going out of his.her way to set up Pacino than wanting to kill him
28. Pacino's insistence on keeping Witt around despite the fact she was of little use to him.
29. Eliminating all the suspects early to make the killer obvious in the first fifteen to twenty minutes.
30-- Getting across town in less then 2 minutes (both Al & his Assistant)
31-- Making everyone but the cab driver a suspect.
32-- Not questioning how the killer got Al's new phone number.
33-- Al driving a $70,000 Porsche,, but owning a phone that comes free with a phone service plan (Just hard to believe he would have such a cheap phone)
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"30-- Getting across town in less then 2 minutes (both Al & his Assistant)"
It never said that any of the locations were across town from each other.
"31-- Making everyone but the cab driver a suspect."
That was his character
"32-- Not questioning how the killer got Al's new phone number."
All his calls were forwarded.
"33-- Al driving a $70,000 Porsche,, but owning a phone that comes free with a phone service plan (Just hard to believe he would have such a cheap phone)"
And... how do you know this?
Seriously... watch the movie and enjoy or don't. While some of these claims are fine, others are just ludicrous and pointless.
Movies are sometimes a little illogical and many times vague. Welcome to the movies, enjoy your stay.
"30-- Getting across town in less then 2 minutes (both Al & his Assistant)"
It never said that any of the locations were across town from each other.
When Pacino first pays off the cabbie he says something like "I need to get across town." Why are you so defensive about the points, are you the scriptwriter? The timeline of the movie is WAAAAAAY off. If the movie was called 188 Minutes then Pacino's movements would've at least been plausible. BTW, I was entertained by the movie, but that doesn't mean I can't pick apart the script or make fun of serious deficiencies in the abilty of the filmmakers to keep the internal logic of the movie, you know, logical.
"...cinema is truth 24 times a second."
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About 33: Dropping a mobile phone on the ground, picking it up and seeing the screen broken as if it was made of glass. Ludicrous.
shareI agree this was a stupid movie, and if it wasn't for Al I wouldn't have gotten through it.
But, One thing about everyone being a suspect. Understand that every time it looks like someone is being accused(slow motion on the eyes, music, etc) is when Al's character was looking at them. It was in his nature to look at everyone and suspect everyone, thats what he does for a living. So, I believe those shots were put in by the director to give the audience a glimpse into the psyche of Jack.
Now, I agree it was easy to pick the killer early. And by casting sooo much doubt on Jack and the conviction, it made it obvious in a thriller who done it that the killer was guilty, was not wrongfully convicted and Jack was right. That was part of the twist, that the killer was actually guilty....but, like I said, they went over the top with the doubt factor, leaving any intelligent viewer to realize that he was guilty and that someone was helping him....thus taking the thrill out of the thriller.
All in All, a bad movie, regardless of my initial point that everyone was a suspect because Al was suspecting everyone.
"u cant swap sim cards unless the phone has the same carrier ", aint most phones unlocked in the US?
sharesorry...i sell phones and couldnt let it go...no, most phones in the us are not unlocked...cell phone carriers here like whats called monopolies and use contracts and "free" phones to control their customers...oh and sim cards use a gsm network which the entire world with the exception of the us use for mobile phones...in the us everyone uses cdma...with the exception of AT&T and t-mobile that is...oh well....thats my rant on that, still havent seen the movie but firetrucks and flying bodies just about convinced me to go...
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OMG! You're right!
So the movie was a 10 out of 10 after all!
35-45... Al Pacino's hair. The best part of the movie is guessing the next shape and form it will take. I'm estimating its 88 variations.
"You fairy"
46-Pacino's hair - is it a weave or is it live?
47- the Canadian actors trying to sound American
48 - the suit is pressed and clean not wrinkly over several days of running through streets; he never breaks a sweat
49 - Pacino looks like a swinger in the sharkskin suit, not a psychiatrist
"49 - Pacino looks like a swinger in the sharkskin suit, not a psychiatrist"
He's just so *beep* money AND he knows it...hahaha
"Cake or Death?" - Eddie Izzard
50) A certain someone being such a terrible actor that you can guess they're the killer about 4 seconds after they open their mouth.
I pretty much had this person pegged about a third of the way into the movie, or 10 minutes in to the 88 minutes.
51) The 'campus police station' was filmed on location at Langley Virgina. It must be a pretty rough area to have 200+ cops just for one campus.
shareHe was running through the streets for no more than an hour and 15 minutes...................................... not days.
shareLOL 49. And canadians sound very similar to americans you know
share36. Assuming Forster "could get out of [prison]," how could he piss on Gramm's grave? Was the defense attorney going to track him down in jail and stage a suicide? And assuming that Gramm gets convicted, sentenced to death in less than a few months (huh?), it's remotely possible (read: INCREDIBLY impossible) that it could happen but that one line was just ridiculous.
share35-45... Al Pacino's hair. The best part of the movie is guessing the next shape and form it will take. I'm estimating its 88 variations.