let's note those 88 items on the director's check list:
1- every 10 minutes, introduce a suspect with a possible motive
2- out of ideas to get pacino out of trouble? Do a fire truck action sequence. audience won't remember anything after that.
is it me or is this film just an accuse to grope women half his age
shareWhen the FBI agent confronts Pacino and accuses him of being the killer, he says that Pacino's DNA was found in the dead woman. How could a DNA test be done in only a matter of hours when it takes weeks, if not months, to do such a test?
Also, when Pacino was talking with the serial killer on MSNBC, he should not have had the TV on with sound as there would have been feedback due to the delay that would take place.
- Taxi drivers will do anything you want for 100 dollars.
- If you are on death row, make sure you have a female college law student that you can somehow convince to suddenly obtain serial killing skills like: elite motorcycle driving skills, gun control, a super cool black leather killer outfit, and mastermind framing abilities.
- Just because a red-head actress is hot, no one will wonder why a director or anyone for that matter would put her in a leading role when her acting skills are absolutely awful.
- Ex-husbands will follow their girlfriends around everywhere and will follow her up to a unknown apartment and knock on the door with a pistol out and ready.
- Movies can cram a week worth of events in 88 minutes, just skip the 20 minutes it would take every time to drive back and forth from location to location.
1. An entire class of grad students who ALL use Apple Notebooks. Not a PC in sight. Seriously. How many of your friends have a MAC and not a PC??
2. "I bit his hand!! He has blood on his hand!! Go find him!! Go find the guy with the blood on his hand!!". Just bloody awful.
3. "Don't point a gun at me Frank. Don't point a gun at me. Please". Al Pacino could have delivered that line better if he was in a coma.
4. Watching Al Pacino feel Alicia Witt up during the Fire truck/car bomb scene
5. Listening to Al Pacino yell "Kim!! Kiiiim!! Kiiim!" 57 times. My name's Kim, it was creepy.
6. How many 60+ year old college profs/FBI Psych's do you know who get booty from every 23 year old they meet??
Great fun this post, people... thanx.
Agreed for me the film was boring, even the soundfxs and score were lame!
No use for my wife college classes. ERASED!!!
2* out of 12*
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Tiny Al Pacino!
Looks like Pacino didn't get to help out with the casting in this movie, everyone else was noticeably taller than him in this movie. Either that, or the director didn't know how to shoot it so it seemed as if Pacino was the same height as the other actors. Even all the women were towering over him in this movie. It's hilarious at the cookie scene towards the beginning when Pacino was a foot smaller than everyone else in the room.
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I thought it was a decent movie. They just needed to do more work on it to have a better plot. 6/10
share88 When a school receives a bomb threat, you can expect the Dean of Students to personally deliver the information
87 Pacino running away from a shooter in his building (the shooter wearing a helmet from spaceballs, no less) stops to help an old lady down the stairs
86 background footage of killer on MSNBC giving interview. 30 minutes later, "this just in, killer is going to be on MSNBC in a few minutes!" Did he give the same live interview twice?
85 synchronizing watches with FBI pal who immediately pulls a gun on pacino
84 paramedics/firefighters fresh on the scene, "we have an incendiary device with a time delay"
83 same FBI friend agrees to give pacino 10 minutes ... and synch watches
82 assistant, who was moments in shock and tears from seeing dead whore hanging from ceiling teleports to office building and spontaneously uncovers who secret lawyer was!
81 the fax was down. the fax was down. the fax was down.
80 the killer is audible on video tape of first copy-cat-killing ... the victim is saying what killer wrote ... speaking to pacino ... but pacino later becomes a suspect
79 people are dying ... killers are running free ... what better time for the teaching assistant to make a pass at pacino and take off her sweater
*Synchronizing watches with somebody just means looking at their watch
*A murderer admits to taking 88 minutes to hack up your baby sister…..when a mysterious voice tells you, you only have 88 minutes to live you make no connection between these two things till half way through the film
*Tic, tic, doc……wtf?!?! Piss off!
*Guy LaForge…..sounds like something off one of the Monkey Island games, kept expecting him to be a pirate
*The acting….just awful. That redheaded girl, Pacino and the killer girl made me cringe at times. I’m pretty sure Pacino was drunk or drugged up throughout this film, he doesn’t look comfortable in his own body and those bags…..he needs a good sleep!
*His hair…..enough said
*The toothbrushing scene…..wtf?!?! I don’t know how I missed it first time around. She should have stuck the toothbrush up her fu-fu…..then there would have been more point to that scence
*When the sister of a dead girl comes to bring you cookies as a ‘thank-you’ keep kissing her and looking at her like a sex pest
*The fact Pacino is a forensic psychologist has no real bearing on this film. He could have been a detective and it still would have worked. He did no forensic psychologing
*Quack, quack doctor Gramm……I give up!
Believe it or not, I actually like this movie, but as others have said, when you try to compress a 9 year story (with lots of flashbacks and characters), the occassional mistake is going to slip through. Such as:
• Towards the beginning of the movie Dale Morris (on videotape) is being brutally tortured and when she's allowed to speak she says "Dr Gramm, Jon Forster is innocent." Then when the torture is continued Jeremy Guber from the Attorney General's Office asks Dr Gramm "why do you think she's saying that?" Now I'll admit that Mr Guber is not a forensic psychiatrist but don't you think he could have concluded that she said that because she is being tortured to death?
• What's the deal with the smokey apartment? I would assume that the speed demon fire department would get there instantaneously instead of letting a fire just percolate and brew for a rather long time.
• The conclusion in the Stern Building. What is this building? It's certainly big and there seems to be no restrictions on entrances and exits. How come the only people in the building are a killer, two potential victims and a forensic psychiatrist? Also didn't anybody notice the woman hanging from the ceiling? Didn't anyone notice the woman being strung up? Did anyone notice or hear the rather time-consuming and heavy duty destruction that would be required to remove one section of the 7th floor safety rail?
Okay, that's it for now.
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How did our ubiquitous killer rig up the pulley system and remove the barrier at the end?
How come the dean's blood began to drip on Gramm just as he arrived at the Stern building, but then stopped after he reached the seventh floor?
The emotional release after the various killings was staggering. I nearly heard a crack in Gramm's voice after Kim's ex-boyfriend was shot dead at his door. But it was just my dog farting.
If he'd been in his car when it blew up would they have called the movie 60 Minutes, and let us all go home early?
Why did ex-boyfriend dude try and run down my hero? - for that matter, what was he doing outside the prostitute's house? And since when do prostitutes invite you home? And so on....
God this film is terrible.
-Why kill Al Pacino? How does that solve Jon getting out of prison or help in the confession on a tape... especially if the man who confessed is found murdered?
-Why did the killer have to show themselves in an overly elaborate setup at the top of a building? Why not just say, "if you don't "confess" I will kill these two people" via their mobile phone (like she was doing for the entireity of the film)?
-Why did the killer limit it to 88 minutes because of a stupid quote in an evidence report? That's just gimmicky and no one who truly wanted their "crush" out of prison would set those perameters around the whole event considering all the variables.
-Why make this film... ever?!
1-88. After a few minutes, Pacino's character was so arrogant and obnoxious I was hoping the killer would get him.
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I agree w/ the majority of complaints here. MSTK3 would LOVE this film. The whole bit w/ LeeLee and her Acme Hanging Pulley Device(TM) just-didn't work. How do you put that sucker up in a public, obviously heavy-use high rise w/out someone, you know, seeing you? You'd think at least the Evel Knievel firemen would have stopped by-
Pacino and Witt ducking and covering BEFORE the Porsche explodes--
The Porsche going BOOM w/ the fake exhaust and under-carriage plainly in view. Oh lord.
The body being left hanging upstairs while Witt, Pacino and Brennaman just wander around aimlessly, then Forsyth shows up outta nowheres and starts arguing w/ Pacino and pulls a gun then fails to arrest him....egads.
The writing here was horrible. The acting-well Witt and LeeLee were the worst but can't say much for Pacino either.
Guy LaForge! Ahhh, okay..
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And since when do prostitutes invite you home?
The prostitute was a "paid escort" and was paid by Laura Douglas (Lydia Doherty) to meet Dr Gramm in the bar. Considering his tendency to sleep with any attractive female, Jack Gramm thought it was his own "babe magnet" personality that made her invite him to her home, unaware that she was paid to do that.
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Pacino and Witt ducking and covering BEFORE the Porsche explodes
Before it exploded, remember Kim saying (when she pressed the remote starter) "that's funny it worked in the garage."? Then Al Pacino, instantly thinking that he is a Forensic Psychiatrist Working With the FBI, which makes him an enemy to every evil person in the world, figures that if it doesn't start, it must have a bomb.
I'm not finding fault with either one of you. I have found many of the 88 mistakes that have been posted so far but please let's concentrate on the genuine mistakes.
I actually have made some good comments about this film and actually like it, but the writing errors in this are astounding.
One of the worst (previously mentioned by me) was Jon Forster saying "there's only one other person that knows I didn't commit these crimes and that's Dr Jack Gramm." Hey Jon don't you think you should mention that the "real" murderer knows you didn't commit those crimes either? That could have been a good chance for Dr Gramm to counter Jon Forster but the writers didn't put that in either so I guess that makes two writing mistakes right there.
I want to thank everyone for this excellent thread.
I am so glad I watched this ridiculous movie because reading all 22 pages of this thread has been more entertaining than any movie I have seen recently.
I need to buy this movie just so I can show it to friends so they can read this thread.
Props to these two comments about the fire truck scene, both of which had me laughing uncontrollably:
If the word "gun" is mentioned everyone runs around like it's the coming of the apocalypse and firetruck drivers go temporarily blind.
* Just before that, Pacino and Witt running out of the burning apartment building and waving their guns around in the middle of a crowd. None of the emergency services thought that was odd? Maybe they assumed it was protection against the maruading bands of homicidal fire fighters.
All time great bad movie here. And this is the highest quality thread I've ever seen.
*Hey you there, I am a forensic psychologist who does consulting for the FBI! Here is my ID which is in no way shape or form a badge! I need to inspect your hands for there has been an assault!
I would have told this hair hat wearing freak to eat sh it almost immediately.
Oh and was that a parking garage just for people wearing leather coats?
That damn killer wouldn't quit calling him. When the phone rang during his class I was like, Oh come on you said that already leave me ALONE.
How did Leelee's character get all her hair wavy for the big finale when she was at his apartment less than an hour before with straight hair? Does anyone realize how much freaking time it takes to crimp/make waves in that much freaking hair? (I had hair as long as Leelee's for a long time and it takes for-effing-EVER.) She was also way too made up.
Alicia Witt's hair changed completely in the scene at Al's apartment. He asked her about Guy and when she says "he knows I have a childish crush on you" her hair is totally different for just that one line.
Why did Al never report any of this harassment to anyone of consequence? He even wiped away the evidence left on his transparencies projector. For a forensic guy I'd think this would be sacrilege.
I am in a thousand winds that blow,
I am the softly falling snow.
** The best executed speaking role in this film is the judge in the beginning.
** After all of the effort to develop the two characters, by the end of the movie we still have absolutely no clue what happened to the airplane or the lake that it landed in and took off from.
** What was the killer doing running that spur along the twin's body before he began his ridiculous murder ritual? But more importantly, why does she bite her lip and moan almost as if she's enjoying it instead of screaming? I mean she is hanging upside down all along...
** The line "My DNA is all over this house" is a bit much considering all of the other talk of DNA evidence (Pacino's sperm) found in the more recent victims. How could that not be caught as sounding funny to the script writer?
** The discussion with Frank Cox about how Pacino's semen ended up in two of the victims... "Somebody hired Sarah Pollitt to be with me last night - then killed her... took my semen, deposited into Dale Morris" It looks like Pacino is having trouble delivering the lines seriously. Cox has a look on his face as if he's trying not to laugh, and then the line "Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?!" which seems like even the writer/characters can't take this scenario seriously... why draw attention to the fact that this scenario is in fact absurd? I laughed hysterically when I heard this during a repeat (for lulz) viewing.
** Why was Sobieski's character first asking in a sarcastic way if Pacino was holding a gun in the final scene? Then it turns into disbelief... then it turns into an honest question - as if it's ridiculous for him to have the gun in that situation, and then offensive, and then somehow she doesn't know if he's holding a gun while she's looking right at it.
#87 - Not once does the film even try to tease our suspicion that maybe Forester really is innocent and the real killer is out there; from the first time we see him in court it's completely clear he's a lying demon and therefore who ever is copy-catting him is an accomplice.
#88 - Lauren, a lawyer, thinks that a coerced confession from Graham will instantaneously exonerate Forester and that no evidence will ever come to light that while he was confessing, she was holding one of his students at gunpoint with one hand and suspending the dean upside down, seven stories in the air, with the other.
Truly brilliant writing Hollywood, keep it coming...
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