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Why did they have to make it a reboot?


For that reason, I don't really consider the Craig movies to be Bond movies.

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It wasn't a bad idea at the time, but all these years later we still haven't seen a real Bond movie with Daniel Craig. I don't know what the hell these movies are, but they are certainly not anything that resembles a Bond film.

This one in particular is so beloved, and I used to really like it too, but I'm getting the point where I would lean towards putting this one in the 'bad' column. I like it less every single time I watch it.

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The year before, Batman Begins came out and that probably influenced doing a Bond reboot

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They were developing Casino Royale (adapting the book) in 2004 (pre Batman Begins), but it was with Brosnan still attached, so they probably hadn't decided to reboot yet.

They announced Craig would be Bond in October of 2005, so that's a pretty good theory, that they decided to go full reboot only after Batman Begins did gangbusters at the box office.

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"but it was with Brosnan still attached, so they probably hadn't decided to reboot yet"

I don't know what they'd decided on but Quentin Tarantino was apparently in talks with them in 2004 about rebooting it with Pierce Brosnan set in the 1960's.

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I did hear about that Tarantino idea. They probably entertained it - or him - out of courtesy, but I doubt they ever really thought about doing a retro-Bond picture. I'd be interested in checking it out if they did one.

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The character of Batman does not exist within either the "Connery - Brosnan" Bond Universe or the "Craig" Bond universe.

The only DC superhero that exists within the Bond universe is Superman as confirmed by Tiffany Case in Diamonds Are Forever but again that is only applicable to the "Connery - Brosnan" Era.

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Yeah, I was a big fan of the reboot at the time as well. But who knew they would just keep rebooting and never get to actually making Bond movies again. This movie doesn't hold up for me. This film is a real bore, there's some logic holes, and the overly emotional bits just don't resonate in any believable fashion. The action scenes are over the top and go on far too long. I mean, the spectacle of them is really something. Blew my mind in the theater. But all these years later, it's much more akin to something from a Fast n Furious film. It is what it is. I'll always find Craig's era fascinating as the deconstruction of the Bond mythos it is, and the reflection of changing times upon a long established franchise. But good Bond films these are not. As for this film in particular, I probably would be more forgiving toward it were it not followed up by sequels banging the same drum. I still assert that Quantum is the most Bond like of his tenure so for.

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It was the 2000s. New Millennium fever. There was a fresh start mentality for all sorts of stuff.

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I still don't really think of it as a "reboot", as in the other films "don't exist" in this film's world, just that they came later in Bond's career. He starts off, Casino Royale happens first, then everything else comes.

Yes, I know that's one mobius strip of a timeline, but Bond also doesn't age and morphs appearances and...it's just nutty anyway. It's like a superhero: the origin sorta bounces around in time, but all the stories are still "there".

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It's a reboot.

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But I just can't think of it that way. In my head, it's all one, glorious, Bond-y melange. So, this film can say "we started it again; the other films don't exist", but they do though, and that's how I see it.

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You can, and I could kind of see that before Spectre was released. Even the video game 007 Legends went with that, showing classic Bond films as missions Craig's Bond went through between the events of Quantum of Solace and Skyfall.

Spectre kind of ruins that theory, as Bond is clearly meeting Blofeld and learning about Spectre for the first time in that movie. There's no way to reconcile the two timelines that I can see.

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I just sorta meld that meeting with his other meetings of Blofeld.

And ignore the whole "they were step brothers" thing.

I love headcanon.

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It doesn't matter. They don't need to be reconciled. Bond and Blofeld meeting for the 'first time' had already happened twice before in consecutive films (YOLT and OHMSS), so it's not as if this is the first time there has been some confusion about that.

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Nah. Bond's awesome "disguise" fooled Blofeld in OHMSS....

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The actual reason is that OHMSS was supposed to be made first, but the producers realized that they would have to wait a year to start making it because it takes place during the winter, so they made YOLT first because they could start working on it immediately. Eon actually wanted to make films back in those days, believe it or not. When it came time to make OHMSS, they decided that they would make a faithful adaptation of the novel which is where Bond actually meets Blofeld for the first time in his disguise regardless of the fact that they had just met in the YOLT film.

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I know that OHMSS was intended to be made ever since Goldfinger was completed, but they also wanted to keep somewhat of a continuity between the films. So OHMSS takes place after YOLT despite the fact that it seems silly for Blofeld not to recognize Bond.

One thing they did change from the bookwas Bond's desire to stay on his mission to get Blofeld. In the book, he wants off the mission. In the film, since he's already encountered Blofeld before, he fights to stay on the mission to find Blofeld.

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Many of the people involved wanted to reboot back when Dalton was brought in, or at least make his films prequels. Cubby Broccoli nixed that idea. He was old school and just wanted to keep making Bond movies, no matter how little sense the continuity made. He was from an era when films were made to be seen in theatres only. He didn't think/care about people rewatching on home video and scrutinizing the timeline.

Once he was gone, they finished Brosnan's run and rebooted the series.

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Because they wanted to do a Bond movie to attract people who hate Bond movies.

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Pretty much.

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yyeep.

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I see what you mean. The Daniel Craig movies feel more like Jason Bourne than James Bond tbh.

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It's so obvious they were just trying to bank off the success of Batman Begins.

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And succeeded better than anybody expected...

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Batman Begins was a better film, I gotta be honest Casino Royale had some definite problems.

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If I remember correctly it was right at the time that EON acquired the rights to Casino Royale. So it was just good timing, new millennium, new actor, new Bond. Something different after 40 years. This would also follow as they introduced Blofeld right as they re-acquired the rights to the character.

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Right but it didn't have to be a reboot.

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