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Why is this considered THAT good?


It's not a hate message, I just don't get why is it a 9.2 show. I love sci-fi and I had all the good intentions to watch it but after 3 episodes I stopped it. So, I honestly don't get why the rating is so high. I mean no disrespect towards the fans, the creators and all the crew, I just want an answer why do you guys think it's so good that it deserves a 9.2 rating.


Also sorry for my english.

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It's rated so highly because hardly anyone watched it or has heard of it except for fans, who would rate it highly. 60% of votes were 10/10, most of the votes come from males aged 18-29, which supports my statement that it's the die-hard fans that have over-rated this.

In all fairness, it's a 6.5. The concept of a frontier in space in the style of the old-west is creative, though it was taken too far with wooden tables in space ships , horses on alien planets, and old guns that shoot lasers. The characters are corny and cliched too. My first reaction to seeing this was "cowboys in space? this is the stupidest show ever" and switched it off. I'm guessing a lot of people reacted similarly and that's why it got cancelled.

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You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but get your facts straight. The horses were on *frontier* planets. There are no aliens in Firefly. Makes me think you didn't watch it, actually. Certainly not much of it, anyway.

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It's rated so highly because hardly anyone watched it or has heard of it except for fans, who would rate it highly. 60% of votes were 10/10, most of the votes come from males aged 18-29, which supports my statement that it's the die-hard fans that have over-rated this.


Nope. The die hard fans have perfectly rated this because that's how they feel.

So what kind of tables would you prefer? Steel? Titanium?

What's wrong with transporting horses to other planets? How else are poor farmers supposed to survive?

The guns didn't shoot lasers. They shot bullets. Only one gun shot a laser and it wasn't "old."

My first reaction to seeing this was "cowboys in space? this is the stupidest show ever" and switched it off.


Then how do you know the characters are corny and cliched? You didn't stick around.

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I love SF stuffs nad am I SF fan generally.

But I didnt like series that much. 7/10

Am I normal?

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It all depends on your feelings on the rating system. Some people see a 9 and expect something specific. While others expect something different. The ratings are a subjective scoring of the scorers feelings at the time of scoring. Not a concrete valuation of the subject matter. If you didn't "feel" like the show deserved a high score on the system, you should have rated it where you "felt" it should be rated. This way if the show really shouldn't have a high rating it would lower over time. Instead you have posted something the had no real merit in a place that people have come to have real, if somewhat belated, discussions on a show and deliberately tried to disrupt the group. Something of a fart in a party. Congratulations, you've chosen to be the person everyone stares at at and wonders how they got here.

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it may not be the show for you, if it was everybodys favourite show it would have a 10 rating and still be on fox.

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When you watch Firefly, you get the feeling that it would have only gotten better, had it continued. We were only starting to get to the bottom of the characters when it ended. So realistically, let's say that the series didn't quite reach a 'perfect 10' in quality, but it was very good fun.

Serenity the film (which is said to be based on the season 2 outline)suffers for having to re-introduce the characters and is a rushed mess for the first half of it, but saves itself with a more coherent and interesting second half (that works more like a good single episode). The potential is there for the main arc of a very good season, however, but we never got there.

Josh Whedon's stuff always has problems if you aren't willing to suspend your disbelief for a certain amount, but if you can do that, you get a unique setting, good set of characters and witty dialogue balanced with solid action.

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Having read many of the posts defending the rating, I will not focus on territory that has been covered multiple times. I will, however, mention that I also find the characterizations compelling and the interactions between the characters to be engaging. I find the writing to be consistent and it rarely bites its own tail. Something nobody has mentioned, however, is the fact that the show is, on some level at least, engaging in parody without being campy. This is why the Batman series from the sixties is a decent show for what it was intended to be, but not a great show. I appreciate that this show expresses an ability to laugh at itself without going overboard. I have also noted that many have complained about this show not being "realistic" enough in a sci-fi sense. I would suggest that their reason for this complaint is that it is rough hewn and does not display all bright shiny pieces for us. An example of another show that takes this approach might be Babylon 5, another highly rated show, quite beloved by its fans, while its detractors seem utterly confused as to why it is so popular. Of course these are my opinions, and I am entitled to them, just as you are entitled to yours. Neither of us is likely to change the mind of the other. How about I continue to love the show for what I consider its wonderful qualities, and you continue to be confused as to why I love it for what I consider its wonderful qualities. Thank you for your attention.

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Completely agree with you -- thank you for saying it so well! To add to that, there was nothing in Firefly or Serenity in terms of the cgi/sci-fi that was distracting or jarring to me, and that is more important than seeing great effects. Everything felt very original and creative, but grounded; characters that were interesting and human.

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I absolutely agree. I watch a show or movie, or read a book for the character interactions, not for the fancy gadgets and "cool" special effects. Characterization is key to any successful story of any genre. These were tightly written characters that were always what they were presented. They were not, as happens on some shows, one thing one week and another thing another week. Strong characterization can carry a weak story, a strong story cannot support weak characters. Since I view character to be of greater importance than any other aspect of a story, I would like to suggest a sci-fi writer that is of this mold. Robert Heinlein wrote very engaging stories, principally because he wrote characters that would be equally at home in almost any era. Despite being an exceptional engineer in his own right, he considered the scientific aspect to be secondary to the truly important aspect of a good story in speculative fiction, or any fiction for that matter, which is the need for strong characters that are consistent within themselves. I also thoroughly enjoy the fact that every single character in the main cast of this show at least once uttered some phrase in Mandarin Chinese. This was a little thing that fit the back story. It is the little things that distinguish between a decent story and a good story, between a good story and a great story. The little details that add color and spice to any story are absolutely essential. I also think that where the people expressing doubt as to the possibility of the sort of technological regression that occurs in the show have never seen a community outside of their hometowns. It is absolutely true that travel broadens one's perspective, but it is also true that the further from the center of society you get, the less technology plays a part in daily living. All anyone that doubts this need do is to go to a small family farm and see how much advanced technology they have as compared to what people living in a city have as almost an appendage, as second nature to them as breathing is. Or they could take a trip to the Appalachians and see what life is like for most of the poorest segment of the population in this country. That is what many of these worlds represent. They are backwards agrarian worlds, much as this section of our country, or the third world nations, are less technologically advanced than we are. The problem is that all too many tend to evaluate all other people by the only metric they have permitted themselves to have, that which they have allowed society to foist upon them. They haven't the breadth of character, nor the intellect, to accept anything outside their comfort zone. A sad and pitiable state in which to live. I do feel sympathy for their lack of imagination. We are not, however, limited by their lack of vision. The fact that we are capable of seeing the beauty in something different is proof that we are not thus lacking. Have a great day.

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I guess it has this high rating because it's loved very much. :-) I only watched this show a few days ago, and though I don't think it's a 9 quality wise I can see why people appreciate it a lot.






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You have to stick with it. Have you seen the whole series?

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Yes I have and I really like it. Unfortunately the episodes were kind of mixed up and I didn't notice until I was almost through. So I guess I will rewatch it soon.




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Unfortunately the episodes were kind of mixed up and I didn't notice until I was almost through


Did you watch it on DVD/Blu ray or did you watch it according to the original air dates?

When originally aired Fox aired the episodes way out of order. The 2 hr pilot for the show aired 3 months after the premiere and also aired last during the original airings.

On the DVDs the episodes were put back in the order that Joss Whedon meant them to be seen. It should be watched in the DVD order.



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I watched it online so I assume it's the Fox order that I watched. The idiotic thing is that I bought a used DVD box spontaneously a while ago when my regular video rental store closed, put it on the shelf and completely forgot about it. Only when it was time to watch the movie (which I remembered purchasing) and found the box set sitting right next to it I remembered buying it. Facepalm moment, could have watched the show in the right order and good quality right from the start if I hadn't forgotten that I own it...






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This was the original Fox Airing order with 3 episode left unaired.

1 1-01 1AGE01 20/Sep/02 The Train Job
2 1-02 1AGE02 27/Sep/02 Bushwhacked
3 1-03 1AGE05 04/Oct/02 Our Mrs. Reynolds
4 1-04 1AGE06 18/Oct/02 Jaynestown
5 1-05 1AGE07 25/Oct/02 Out of Gas
6 1-06 1AGE03 01/Nov/02 Shindig
7 1-07 1AGE04 08/Nov/02 Safe
8 1-08 1AGE08 15/Nov/02 Ariel
9 1-09 1AGE09 06/Dec/02 War Stories
10 1-10 1AGE11 13/Dec/02 Objects in Space
11 1-11 1AGE79 20/Dec/02 Serenity (1)(2 hr pilot)(should have aired 1st)
12 1-12 1AGE79 20/Dec/02 Serenity (2)
13 1-13 1AGE10 UNAIRED Heart of Gold
14 1-14 1AGE12 UNAIRED Trash
15 1-15 1AGE13 UNAIRED The Message

This is the order they were supposed to be aired according to Joss Whedon (DVD order)

Serenity, Parts I & II
The Train Job
Bushwacked
Shindig
Safe
Our Mrs. Reynolds
Jaynestown
Out of Gas
Ariel
War Stories
Trash
The Message
Heart of Gold
Objects in Space

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Hm, apparently is was neither, but it comes closer to the Fox order. The first episode I saw was the one where they bring Mal's war time buddy to his home, and it ended with the one with the whore house. I realized something was wrong when I got to the pilot somewhere around Ep 11. And when I checked the IMDB order I realized that one episode had been missing completely (the second with Mal's 'wife'), so that's the last one I watched. It's a shame. My box set has them in the right order though, and I'll definitely rewatch the show.






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Dirty pirate;-P

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When the show was first advertised, I was impressed by the special effects, and I did notice that Joss Whedon's name was prominently featured in the commercials. But the "cowboys in space" theme completely threw me, and I'm sorry to say that I reacted in a very prejudiced, close-minded manner. I did not bother to even try to catch the show when it finally began airing. However, I did flip channels and accidentally stumble across it a few times during the commercial breaks for other shows. And what little I saw intrigued me. Yes, I still saw the dumb-sounding "cowboys in space" on the screen, but the way that the actors played that off so seriously, so matter-of-factly, without acknowledging that it smacked of corniness in the extreme, took me by surprise. Like the Starship Troopers movie said, I would like to learn more. Nevertheless, the screwed-up airing order confused me and completely turned me off, so I put the show on the back burner. That's probably what most people did, and the reason why it got cancelled.

Years later, I remembered that spark of intrigue that I had felt during its original airing, and I sought out to research the show a little, and watch the eps in their proper chronological order.

Nevertheless, thinking quite highly of myself, I was pretty sure that my initial negative impressions of the show from the early commercials were probably shared by most people. And the fact that the show was cancelled so quickly made me think that even after watching the show, I was probably still going to feel the same way. In other words, I went into it thinking that I was just going to have my prejudices confirmed.

But that's absolutely not what happened. Instead, I was hooked from the opening scenes.

Now, I'm no Whedon fan boy. I don't worship any director, producer, or showrunner. Sometimes his pithy back-and-forth dialogue between characters is acutely annoying, as if the characters are trying too hard to be kewl and slick.

But I completely bought these characters and their dialogue.

Maybe it's the fact that I'm from Texas, and while we have plenty of high-tech resources here and there, plenty of people still do and say things the old-school country way, too. It feels completely natural to a Texan to mix the old and the new. You can see a real life, honest-to-goodness cowboy pull a smart phone out from a pocket of his blue jeans while he's seated atop his leather saddle, blanket, and horse. It's a perfect integration of eras. And the matter-of-fact way that Whedon had these characters mix things up worked for me. It made me feel stupid for ever presuming to laugh. As a Texan, I should've known better, all along!

I'm also involved in search and rescue. And while we love our techy gadgets and toys, we also have to be prepared for missions out in the middle of nowhere, where a gentlgeman named Mr. Murphy is bound to introduce himself to all that pretty tech. We have to have old-school ways of getting things done, too. And we have to practice with both. Also, shiny 4x4 trucks and blingy touchscreen portable devices don't tend to stay so new-looking for very long, when you're hiking up dusty trails, bumping into rocks, or slipping into muddy puddles. Therefore, the kit of modern-day search and rescue teams is an eclectic blend (read, hodge-podge) of equipment and techniques from several different decades. So this part of my background also kept the seemingly anachronistic bundle of stuff aboard Serenity from appearing too bizarre or jarring. I think I would've felt right at home on that ship. (Just let me bunk in the engineering room with Kaylee.)

Some commenters have questioned the show's sense of continuity, but I would have to say that I thought the show had remarkable continuity. It was actually another strong point of the program which kept me coming back for more, episode after episode. Decisions had consequences for these characters--maybe not in the immmediately following episode, but certainly at some point down the road. It was extremely satisfying to see connections between different events, as well as to see consistency in the characters' personalities even as they faced new situations. The show felt solid, that way.

As far as quantifiable ratings go, though, I don't really consider there to be much difference between a 7 and a 9. I don't really split hairs between 7.8 versus 9.2. Either way, the show was darn good. I guess I think more in terms of a 4-star system, with 2 being fair, 3 being good, and 4 being near-perfect. This show earned 3.5 stars from me.

I also echo others' theory from above that part of the reason this show is so highly rated is that it went out before it ever had the chance to jump the shark. It was cancelled abruptly, so I can't exactly say that it went out on a high note, but it definitely went out while it was still firing on all cylinders. So it leaves a positive taste in a lot of people's minds. It leaves them with an overall positive impression. And there was very little about the show to detract from, undo, or tarnish that. Whether rusty, grimy, dusty, or slimy...at the end of the day, when it really mattered, the Firefly-class ship Serenity was still quite shiny.

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Hey TexasB. I liked your post.

I too had a long, interrupted journey to becoming a browncoat.

I enjoyed the show when it first aired, but I barely noticed when it was cancelled. I rewatched it before Serenity and finally fell in love. Here I am 30 or 40 rewatches later, still occasionally visiting these boards.

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Dang straight!

Is it just me, or do I smell some of Book's cooking drifting down the corridor?

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The first three shows were being controlled by FOX, after the cast and crew got the word they were being canceled they didn't worry about the FOX critics. There is so much depth to the story and characters that most people will ever know. The DVDs give you more insight with the special features and interviews. It is also very rare for a cast and crew to have had and still to this day have the type of relationships as the cast of Firefly does.

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