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Kinda cheesy looking back...


Here are some cheesy moments...

1. When the vato wants Jake to let him see his gun, he says... "Here's where the problem comes into play.. I've seen this one, I wanna see yours." Who talks like that? Here's where the problem comes into play?
2. The vato actually had back to back cheesy lines. He then says, "Hey whiteboy, if you ask me homes, of course that is if you ask... I think Lonzo played you for a fool." If you ask me, of course that is if you ask... LOL! These are cliche cheesy lines forced onto a ganster to say.
3. When Smiley calls Letty... that scene was a bit cheesy on how everthing got cleared up. Also, in reality, would they really let go Jake? They have no idea what type of character Jake is, they don't know that he is someone that would honor a street code and not have cops busting down the place the very next day. How did they know they weren't risking that?
4. King Kong ain't got nothing on me... what does that even mean?
5. When the blood gangster said... Go ahead Jake and bounce, we got your back.... Where is all this respect coming from? I thought they just minded their business. I mean he just go through telling Lonzo he has to put in his own work. But then turns around and gets Jake's back, a rookie cop they don't even know? Do they even know what the commotion is all about?

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There are a few scenes a bit off too, but plenty of our fav. movies do right? Lets take a look.

For 1+2 those guys were basically wasting his time with chatter so Alonzo could escape. I'm sure you visited someone and while waiting for them to get ready a family member of theres is talking nonsense to you. In this case was playing along since he knows its a dangerous situation.

3 - this scene is what males everyone wonder and I think we can all agree, Jake got lucky but as another poster mentioned - The leader of that gang wasnt just some thug like his two friends but a powerful crimelord to the level of the 3 wisemen, and thus not as blood thirsty as evident by how calm he was in the kitchen and how much he knew about Alonzo. By the scenes end it came down to if hes gonna kill this cop whom his cousin admittedly stopped from being raped. Only someone real messed up would go through that. As far letting him go. I doubt Jake could or would go through looking for trouble with them at that point and the gang leader knew that.
4.found this pretty good answer on Yahoo answers - "hes saying hes so powerful and destructive that he makes King Kong look like a little capuchin monkey. its a turn of phrase meaning he (King Kong) doesnt have anything in his/her personal traits or abilities that is better than what i got
5.as far as that final scene, thats a bit dicey too. We know that entire neighborhood hated Lonzo. He probably robbed, threatened and arrested them or their family and there was nothing they could do. All the other cops that stepped to Alonzo probably were dead or there never were any. So the neighborhood was glad to see someone brave enough to stand up to him -- that is a cop. Would it go down like that? Maybe not, but its a movie =)

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You spent way to much time trolling on a film that nobody remembers or cares much about.

Better luck next time...

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What?
How old are you?
Training Day is one of Denzel Washington's greatest villainous performances and plenty of people remember it.
It may not be a perfect film... as few are...but it's sure a lot of fun to watch.
And with so few "fun to watch" films these days I wouldn't discount it.

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#1-2 ... that gang member was just talking nonsense to stall Jake. Plus, the film deliberately wanted this gangster and the shirtless gangster to be clowns. They were meant to juxtapose with the calm, intelligent Smiley. The film wanted Smiley to be the man in that scene, not the other 2 gangsters

#3 ... The scene shows that Smiley had a code of honor. He was big on family. Remember that he told Dreamer to take the girls next door after they hit Jake with the bottle? Remember how, when Alonzo knocks on the door, the little girl runs to get Smiley and doesn't talk to Alonzo? The suggestion is that Smiley told the little girl to avoid speaking to Alonzo.

As for whether Jake would come back for Smiley, the answer is no. The movie indicates that Smiley is a really high ranking person, as he had privileged information about Roger and Alonzo. So there isn't much that police can do to Smiley. Plus, I get the sense that Jake will respect Smiley; they had a deleted scene where Jake and Smiley talk briefly before Jake goes to the jungle.

#4 ... King Kong ain't got nothing on me is a reference to being king of the jungle; that neighborhood where Alonzo is shouting is known as the "Jungle"

#5 ... the gangster had Jake's back because the gangster hated Alonzo. Remember when Alonzo first takes Jake to the jungle. They talk to this gangster. The gangster tells Alonzo, "Thanks for helping out my nephew." Then when Alonzo walks away, the gangster says, "Man, I'm sick of this. I can't stand that guy." ... the gangster (as well as everyone at the jungle) really hated Alonzo.

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I agree on all points.
The writing is weak in many parts.
Most of the dialogue is cheesy and redundant, Alonzo's above everybody else. But the three wiseman cops, the thugs on the street, Alonzo's cops, even Snoop, it's all written by someone imagining how gangsters talk to sound dangerous, but it all sounds like a guy with no clue trying to sound dangerous.
If anything, it makes them look LESS dangerous and believable, as in all talk and no bite.
Alonzo at the end has only his motormouth to impress us, but he's just weak and annoying.

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Alonzo, weak and annoying? What're you talking about?

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I'm talking about what I wrote in the whole post.
Alonzo talks a lot and delivers very little, he's a pathetic bully that tries to look more dangerous by making a lot of noise. King Kong's fart are more important and impressive.

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Petsonally while I disagree about it being cheesy I will never understand Denzel winning an Oscar for this. But then again I can say the same thing about other previous Oscar decisions

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Denzel played against type for the first time in his career and did it with great charisma. I saw this in a very packed theater 20 years ago and the crowd loved Denzel's portrayal as a villain. He was highly entertaining and had a lot of fun doing this role. As for him just being a pathetic bully is silly because we all watched him take out a drug pin in cold blood and destroy a mafia thug off screen, as well as shooting it out with some street hoods in daylight. He was gangster to the fullest.

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Always felt this movie as a little cornball and on the nose. The themes and characters are all great, and it opened up a lot of people's eyes to the true nature of how things work on the street. It was a very important film. But yeah. It's a little cheesy. I think it needed to be so everybody could understand it.

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"My Niggah!" would a black guy really keep saying that repeatedly? Especially to a white guy?

I think the whole intent is that we aren't supposed to like Alonzo and he is also supposed to be very cocky and feels indestructible. At the end when the community turn on him it's like the veil is lifted and we see that no one actually likes him after all.

That said it isn't a great film and Denzel, well, Denzel plays Denzel as per usual.

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