Did you also notice how the movie tends to associate male-male sex with something negative all the way through?
The board members: Disowning his gay son, having sex with an 11 year old boy and doing whatever ghastly things to his own son.
Bob being shocked at Jay fantasizing about men and Jay going out of his way to prove he isn't a *beep* Same thing with Bartleby when Betthany thinks he's gay, though he isn't quite as negative in his denial.
male-male sex is something negative. And is wrong. Btw I'm not religious in any way, shape or form. Nor am I atheist. So don't try using that on me. And I won't read any reply to this.
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First of all, how is male-male sex (ugggh you pretencious son of a...) negative and wrong? Show me a concrete example of how that is, without using the bible or any other holy text (since you claim to be not religious).
And I'm sure you know babbling about corrupting the children or other nonsense doesn't cut it either, since as *we all know by now*, there has never ever been any evidence of such being true.
Also, if homosexuality is not wrong, as I believe it is not, how would homosexuals inspiring more homosexuals be wrong? That's what we call circular logic in the grown up land.
Also, you can't be both non-religious and not an atheist. I mean, yeah, you can witheld a belief in any established god, but if you don't believe in anything particular, I'm sorry, you are an atheist.
And since you don't read replies, why did you write that mountain of crap in the first place? Why am I replying to you? Is the answer blowing in the wind? Are you a troll? Or Justin Bieber? We may never know.
Also, you can't be both non-religious and not an atheist.
"TDeMona, where did you get this silly implication from? You can be both non-religious and agnostic as well. Also, there are people who have faith and spiritual feelings, but do not conform to or like the idea of organized religion. There are also people like me who maintain independent and creative input with their beliefs. Not every non-religious person is an atheist"
Well, okay, that is true. But "agnostic" itself is kinda beyond this conversation, because we are not talking about the knowledge of god's existence or non-existence. That is completely separate from the question of belief. You can't kinda believe in a god, or kinda not believe, you either believe or you don't. In other words, you are either an atheist or a theist. Almost all people, me included, are agnostics, because only few fundies claim to "know" there is a god, and I don't personally know anybody stupid enough to claim to "know" there isn't.
" Not every non-religious person is an atheist. "
The term atheist refers to not having a belief in a God. It does not mean you do not believe in organized religion. If the poster meant he did not follow an organized religion, there were much better ways for him to convey that.
"male-male sex is something negative. And is wrong. Btw I'm not religious in any way, shape or form. Nor am I atheist. So don't try using that on me"
Don't worry. When someone is a biggot, they don't need a reason to be one, so I won't charge you with any of those.
"And I won't read any reply to this"
The ultimate coward's response on message boards. "I'm too much of a wuss to handle criticism so I won't respond."
We do not have to challenge your opinion if you are too afraid to even defend it.
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I have two words for you. who cares?
shareFirstly, ten years (from your original post, now 14) has changed attitudes a lot regarding homosexuality. That said, I don't see it as maliciously as you do.
- Disowning his gay son was treated as a sin, so that doesn't support your notion of homophobia.
- Having sex with an 11 year old boy is wrong by any standard, because he's 11 years old.
- Jay being thought of as gay shatters the perception he tries to create for himself as a ladies man, it goes against the nature of his outward identity. Maybe he really is gay and doesn't want the world to know, he wouldn't be the first. Maybe he isn't but occasionally has had thoughts that again, go against his own self image and outer image.
How is being criticized for disowning a gay son anti-gay? The message was that parents shouldn't treat their children horribly because of their sexual orientation.
An adult having sex with an 11 year old, male or female, is bad. So is incestuous sexual abuse.
Jay has the mentality of a horny 6th grader, so I wouldn't place much importance on his attitude. As for Bob, he was probably pretending to be more shocked than he actually was to rib his friend.
Bartleby was just stating as a fact that he wasn't gay. His motivation was partly because he was attracted to Bethany (before he knew what she was) and he wanted her to think the option of hooking up was still open.
The movie wasn't the best representation of enlightened attitudes towards LGBTQQ people, but it wasn't terrible.
Yeah, the point is that disowning your gay son is a bad thing, and that raping a child is a bad thing. that's not saying that being gay is bad. Seriously!
shareDid you also notice how the movie tends to associate male-male sex with something negative all the way through?
The board members: Disowning his gay son
having sex with an 11 year old boy and doing whatever ghastly things to his own son.
Bob being shocked at Jay fantasizing about men and Jay going out of his way to prove he isn't a *beep*
Same thing with Bartleby when Betthany thinks he's gay, though he isn't quite as negative in his denial.
Besides "love" what's positive about it?
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