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One of the worst ever


I find it hard to believe that so many people are praising this awful film. It fails on so many levels it is laughable.

Aside from the well known fact that Kurt Russell has about 150 words to say in the film (most of them of the "Yes sir" variety) nothing he says is interesting, he could have been completely mute and it wouldn't have made a difference. Heck none of the characters has much to say.

I've never been in the military but the colonel and other commanders are an embarrassment. I doubt they would have been promoted above seargent without intense boot licking. The colonel himself would have needed family connections and string-pulling to get where he did.

The idea that the military would take babies and raise them as depicted, even going so far as killing children that fall behind is dispicable. Granted this is supposed to be sci-fi but it takes place in roughly modern times. And what does all this intense training produce? Soldiers that walk into battle with guns blazing and know nothing about ducking or finding cover. A few first year rookies could have lobbed some grenades at these "Super Soldiers" and killed half of them. I am simply not impressed with the results (except they can run long and fast.) The half-dozen or so guys from "Predator" would have made mince-meat of the 20+ Soldiers shown here. The fact that Kurt Russell's Todd does indeed single handedly wipe out 20+ opponents without being shot or seriously wounded says something. (Particularly embarrassing is the scene where several Soldiers run toward what they think is the sniper only to find one of thier own dead with two guns set up with a string. Aren't troops trained not to run directly into machine gun fire like that?)

So after being choosen at birth, raised, trained and hardened to be a Soldier on the day of the big battle you are put behind a large gun on a super-ATV, or worse yet manning the search light, in plain view with little protection. You're just asking to be shot up, and hey! You are! Congrats! Can parents sue the military for gross negligence? Oh yeah, these guys have no parents, never mind.

The movie takes place sometime in the next 40-50 years. Not only has faster-than-light travel been discovered (and anti-gravity!) it is so fast and common that man has spread far out into the galaxy, to its edge and beyond. Yeah, sure. Metal too is so worthless that huge piles of it, city loads, can be dumped on a distant planet at the galaxy's edge. What!? Not in the next 50 years. Surely some better use for an old aircraft carrier can be found, housing for the homeless for example. (Nuclear bombs aren't valuable either since every jerk colonel with a squad can have one and use it at whim.)

Are these enough reasons to dislike this film? I won't even get into the sappy situation with the lost colonists and thier rejection of Todd (tell me you couldn't see that one coming) or the change of heart after the kid kills a snake (that too.) I've said enough already.

-Doughdee222 "I'm a realist, not a pessimist. The real world is pessimistic by nature."

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I just wanted to point out a couple of things about the military. As far back as World War II, the army was looking for ways to dehumanize their soldiers to make them more effective killers. Pre-WWII, soldiers trained on simple bulls-eyes for their target practice. In combat, they would lock up, and not shoot the enemy. So the army countered this by making soldiers train on human shaped targets. It was a simple mental thing, and it worked extremely well. Now we have virtual scenarios in which the soldiers can pretty much play an interactive videogame in order to get them used to combat training.

Also, one of the guys from my graduating class and a good friend of mine went into the Marines, and he was horrified to learn that they use drugs, enhancers, and stimulants to make soldiers more effective, stronger, faster, etc.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if something like Project Adam already was underway. But we'll never know for sure, because it would be classified to hell.

Point is, that plot line is much more believable than you might think.

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I agree. Not only one of the worst movies I've ever seen; easily THE worst. I was initialy interested by the concept but the acting was sub-par and the whole dehumanizing theme was totally unefective because it went way too far. There wasn't a single character woth caring about so there was no interest in the plot. I have to go throw up now. If you want to throw up too please rent this movie and you too can get sick.

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Not even close. It may have been mediocre, but to say it's the worst is a sure sign of a brain aneurysm. I can't even list the multitudes of movies that were far, far, far, worse.

As to your comments. Not a single character worth caring about? Yes, certainly not Busey, the child, the wife, nor Russel himself. Yes, certainly none of them. Go throw up, I think you have typhoid. There are legit reasons to dislike parts of this movie, but your batting .000, as are some of the other haters.

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Please. Its just a matter of my personal opinion. I feel its a terrible film. You dont have to agree that its the worst ever but flaming me is not the way :). Let's just agreee that the film sucked OK?

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It amazes me how your average person suddenly becomes a high-brow movie critic when talking about a movie they don't like. NO ONE on this board is qualified to judge the quality of acting in any movie unless THEY THEMSELVES are either an accomplished actor or director. If you don't like a film, fine. Say "I didn't like this fim" and then give your reasons. But placing your own opinion abnove evryone else's on Earth and saying "This movie was terrible" is arrogant bull manure; as is saying that a well established actor like Kurt Russell can't act. I am a fan of Mr. Russell; although he has done several movies I can't stand. My dislike of them doesn't make them bad films or him a bad actor. It simply means I DON'T LIKE THEM.

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That is exactly my point. As I said "in my opinion" the acting in this film sucked. I never said Kurt Russel couldn't act, though I wouldn't know it from watching this movie. I am not an actor or a director, nor a professional critic. I just offered my opinion for your consideration. That is after all the purpose of this message board.
I too have my gripes about the way people conduct themselves on these boards, mostly the people who waste space by laying down insults against other users (flaming) while not offering any opinion whatsoever. I asume from your post that you liked this movie Jetfire? If yes then why?

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First of this is an action film as well as a sci-fi. The action wasn't too bad. There were some things that weren't too realistic even for science fiction. Yes that's a huge difference between fiction and fantasy. However it still got the point across. The fact that he could take out so many men was as someone said in the film, they were made fast but not smart. Todd doesn't say much, but if you noticed at the beginning of the film, you don't talk unless spoken too. These men only communicate when necessary. They are trainedto be men of action not men of words. There were a few things that bothered me but over all the film worked. One thing is why snakes? Surely there must be a tonne of rats around to keep all those snakes happy. I can understand people throwing unwanted pets in the trash and them breeding but there were nothing but snakes. Also, I didn't look too closely, but did one of those huge vehicles run over a weed plantation? It looked like it and watching that plantation burn felt worse than watching that settler burn to death. Also you were complaining about the colonals. Well what if the military was privatised? If it was this scenario would make allot more sense. Perhaps he just had lots of shares in the company! Instead of CEO or whatever you get made general or colonal haha. anyway so what if it's supposed to be set 50 years in the future. That's just one number. It can't be that hard to pretend it's a hundred years ahead instead. Sci-fis are notirous for this error. Also you have to remember than in the last 100 years technology has surgad ahead. For all you know we could have faster than light travel by 2050.

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Your a *beep* tool, in the military you dont get promoted from sargeent to colonel, due to the fact that a colonel is an officer you damn moron if your gonna talk *beep* now you *beep* first by the way this movie kicksa ass

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"Childofthecorn86: Your a *beep* tool, in the military you dont get promoted from sargeent to colonel, due to the fact that a colonel is an officer you damn moron if your gonna talk *beep* now you *beep* first by the way this movie kicksa ass"

First of all, why dont you learn some english grammar before you start replying to other peoples messages.
Second of all, use quotes.
Third of all, no one said anything about being promoted from sergeant to colonel.

He said " colonel and other commanders are an embarrassment. I doubt they would have been promoted above seargent "
Which doesnt come close to anything what you just said.

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Actually, this was a pretty decent movie. I think your problem is that you believe in an 'idealic' world. You actually believe there aren't people out there who would raise soldiers from babies so they could control every aspect of that soldiers life? You need to get your head out of the sand. There are DEFINTELY people out there who would like to take babies and start them on their military training early on. There are probably even some non-military people who would jump on the bandwagon as long as it meant their little boys didn't have to go off and fight wars. It might not be right, but humans are a tendency to 'look the other way' when it suits them....pretend it's just not happening. That's one of the reasons cloning and genetic manipulation is such a big issue. Some people think that it might be used for nefarious purposes like...producing the perfect soldier. I believe something like this military operation is not so far-fetched as you might think.

The whole point of Todd not speaking more than like 80 words is because he has been dehumanized. He was raised from a baby to only speak when spoken to. And I'm sure then that the only speaking he did was related to training, fightinh, etc. He has no experience whatsoever holding a casual conversation. He just doesn't know how to do it. The few words he said was to make a point that he knew how to speak, but not to actually converse. They were trying to show how different he was from the crash survivors. And I think they did a good job of it.

And you don't think that some of the higher ups in the military didn't get there by a**-kissing? Geez, you really must have your head stuck in the sand *rolls eyes* The feeling I got about this military is that none of the higher officers have ever been in combat. They are there strictly to give orders to the fighters. They don't fight themselves. They kind of like the CEO of a corporation where the only reason they got the CEO position is because daddy owns the company. Not because they moved up in position. They probably have a wife and kids at home. This is a job for them not a life. The soldiers, on the other hand, the military is their life. they've never knowb anything else. The fighters in this military are strictly fighters. They can never move up to the higher positions because they're sole purpose is fighting.

And why could Todd take down a whole platoon of soldiers by himself? Because he has experience. He knows the terrain. He knows how other soldiers are going to react. This is the first real mission by this platoon of soldiers. They might be faster and stronger, but they are very inexperienced. And Todd uses that to his advantage. The new soldiers are faster and stronger, but Todd is alot smarter. That's what got the whole platoon killed. They weren't smart. They'd been bred for speed and strenght, but real fightinhg requires a brain too.

My only problem with this movie is the time period it took place in. They should have set it about 150years in the future or so. I just choose to ignore the time period that they give on the movie.

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I don't understand how anyone could like this film, aside from realistic or not, the idea behind it is not that bad but overall, its a poor film. And if u want to say its just an action film, well... i seen other action films that are a hundred times better. i wouldn't give this movie a single star, maybe a half, the worst performance of kurt russel since L.A. crap.

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The fact is, people are hungry for good Sci-Fi. *(see Farscape, Babylon 5 as examples of this blind hunger).

More often than not though, we're subjected to mediocre Sci-Fi, that we don't necessarily love, but we cling to it and try to make ourselves like it.

Basically, it's what 90% of Star Wars fans born before 1985 are doing with the Prequels.




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Thank god im part of the 10% that realizes they are crap.

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the worst performance of kurt russel since L.A. crap.


If you even think about criticizing Kurt Russell's performance in "Escape From L.A.," you've clearly missed the point of the movie.


Also, the OP shows his ignorance of the military by saying that the Colonel would never have gotten past the rank of sergeant. Sergeant is an enlisted rank. Colonel is an officer rank. Lots of people go into the military as officers through the service academies or ROTC and never serve as enlistedmen except possibly during summer tours while in college.

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"I find it hard to believe that so many people are praising this awful film. It fails on so many levels it is laughable."

No it's not. It's an entertaining movie. Movies are meant to entertain. If you want to see a laughable movie try one of Spike Lee's films.

"Aside from the well known fact that Kurt Russell has about 150 words to say in the film (most of them of the "Yes sir" variety) nothing he says is interesting, he could have been completely mute and it wouldn't have made a difference. Heck none of the characters has much to say."

Neither did the Terminator.

"The idea that the military would take babies and raise them as depicted, even going so far as killing children that fall behind is dispicable. Granted this is supposed to be sci-fi but it takes place in roughly modern times."

IT'S AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!!! Quit trying to compare this movie to OUR times. That's your problem right there. It's only a movie and it exists in a different universe.

Hell, Blade Runner is based in the near future and looks nothing and the setting in it looks nothing like Earth in real life. Does that make it a bad movie? No, on the contrary, it made it a GOOD movie because we are able to escape into another world.

"Are these enough reasons to dislike this film?"

No, because you seem to expect that every movie made should occur within our own , real life universe. So, in that case, are Quentin Tarantino movies awful to you? They exist in the Tarantino Universe.

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"If you want to see a laughable movie try one of Spike Lee's films."
That's a matter of opinion and personal taste. And there are many folks who would find his films entertaining too.

You can mention say Uwe Boll for the director of laughable and mostly failed attempts at filmmaking much more so, and others.

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