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One of the worst ever


I find it hard to believe that so many people are praising this awful film. It fails on so many levels it is laughable.

Aside from the well known fact that Kurt Russell has about 150 words to say in the film (most of them of the "Yes sir" variety) nothing he says is interesting, he could have been completely mute and it wouldn't have made a difference. Heck none of the characters has much to say.

I've never been in the military but the colonel and other commanders are an embarrassment. I doubt they would have been promoted above seargent without intense boot licking. The colonel himself would have needed family connections and string-pulling to get where he did.

The idea that the military would take babies and raise them as depicted, even going so far as killing children that fall behind is dispicable. Granted this is supposed to be sci-fi but it takes place in roughly modern times. And what does all this intense training produce? Soldiers that walk into battle with guns blazing and know nothing about ducking or finding cover. A few first year rookies could have lobbed some grenades at these "Super Soldiers" and killed half of them. I am simply not impressed with the results (except they can run long and fast.) The half-dozen or so guys from "Predator" would have made mince-meat of the 20+ Soldiers shown here. The fact that Kurt Russell's Todd does indeed single handedly wipe out 20+ opponents without being shot or seriously wounded says something. (Particularly embarrassing is the scene where several Soldiers run toward what they think is the sniper only to find one of thier own dead with two guns set up with a string. Aren't troops trained not to run directly into machine gun fire like that?)

So after being choosen at birth, raised, trained and hardened to be a Soldier on the day of the big battle you are put behind a large gun on a super-ATV, or worse yet manning the search light, in plain view with little protection. You're just asking to be shot up, and hey! You are! Congrats! Can parents sue the military for gross negligence? Oh yeah, these guys have no parents, never mind.

The movie takes place sometime in the next 40-50 years. Not only has faster-than-light travel been discovered (and anti-gravity!) it is so fast and common that man has spread far out into the galaxy, to its edge and beyond. Yeah, sure. Metal too is so worthless that huge piles of it, city loads, can be dumped on a distant planet at the galaxy's edge. What!? Not in the next 50 years. Surely some better use for an old aircraft carrier can be found, housing for the homeless for example. (Nuclear bombs aren't valuable either since every jerk colonel with a squad can have one and use it at whim.)

Are these enough reasons to dislike this film? I won't even get into the sappy situation with the lost colonists and thier rejection of Todd (tell me you couldn't see that one coming) or the change of heart after the kid kills a snake (that too.) I've said enough already.

-Doughdee222 "I'm a realist, not a pessimist. The real world is pessimistic by nature."

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It's a bad film. Paul Anderson is one of the worst directors in the history of cinema. The only film of his I liked at all was Event Horizon.

Fear is the Mind Killer

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My job is the mind killer.

Also, I liked this movie. Kurt Russell is hot,and a good actor(in this role at least), also hot. I would actually label this a chick flick. So emotionally driven,also hot guys. Then again I thought the Borne Identity was a chick flick, so what do I know.

I thought the premise was intriguing, and definetly a possibility in Bush's war machine America.

I just wish the movie hadn't tried to genre jump halfway thru.

P.S. Just got off of work, excuse my brain dead ramblings.
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I thought Soldier was a very entertaining film and even though Paul Anderson is a bad director he did quite a good job with this and as for Event Horizon well that is one of the worst Sci-fi movies ever made. If you want to see a cheaply made Sci-fi movie with plenty of flaws watch Event Horizon.

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I don't know why I am commenting on a 4+ year old post, but I wanted to say that while the OP is overly bent out of shape over plot points and scenarios in a move he admits are in a "sci-fi" film, he not only said "One of the worst ever", but backed it up with details of WHY he thought so. And that is a rare thing around here.

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I believe you are correct sir, yes.

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I love Kurt Russell and I loved this movie.

"There are few things fetching as Stuntman Mike." - Stuntgirl Trish

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The OP and others who are so young they know everything and/or have never been in the military and denigrate this film have their heads up and locked so far, they can see the backs of their own teeth.
Try being a Viet Nam vet and feel the disdain of the moron class of the citizens that shunned them and worse for a feeling of lonliness and rejection Todd felt. This is an EXCELLENT film, for those who are able to get it's meaning.
Thank you to ALL vets who have served. I just hope it has not been in vain, given the way things are going...

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Thank you I am a Vet and with that aside I liked this film as a possible of what could very well happen to the military if left unchecked of the goverment. And often the people the soldiers protect treat them as garbage after the job or even during the job, often becuase the facts get confused and the people fell so safe in there homes they don't see the need for soldiers. This is a age old rift that is getting worse

"NOTHING IS FORGOTTEN, NOTHING IS EVER FORGOTTEN" ROBIN (ROBIN HOOD) OF LOXLEY
The wolf

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" And often the people the soldiers protect treat them as garbage after the job or even during the job" You're absolutely right, black wolf 1970. Historically, soldiers especially but all branches of the military, were treated as the lowest of the low (and sometimes were, given the tendency to offer military service as an alternative to imprisonment). More recently there has been a tendency to treat servicemen better - until Vietnam. Now they're right back where they started, PR-wise.

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i was looking at the stats for this film, and wondered: "Why did it flop at the box office?" I later found that many of the critics felt Kurt Russell should have "said more than 79 words through out the movie?"

It wouldn't have mattered.. The facial expression, from only him but the his AA counterpart were more than enough..

And all of those guys were HAWT!!!



some days, it's not worth chewing through the restraints..

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79 words is enough for this to be a great movie.
8/10 stars

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You totaly dont get the 80's / 90's action movie genre. I assume you're under 30, otherwise I'm sure you would enjoy this movie. Kurt Russel, Van Damme, Stallone, Snipes, Arnold .... these are all great 80's / 90's cheese ball action stars who did good movies for their day. Nowadays, there is no replacement

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I'll give you a break since you made this unilateral blanket statement some 8 years ago.I found the movie enjoyable for what it was and I think Kurt Russell convincingly portrays the confusion of someone that's been genetically engineered and raised for solely one purpose .
And since then there's been seen far worse to grace us with many similar themes that haven't done it half as well..
Frankly, I couldn't tell you one of the worst films "ever" because I'm not bored enough to sit through one of those.
What does that say about the poster?

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Anyone who expected Kurt Russell's character to say a lot of words and for those words to mean a lot didn't get the movie at all. Russell's silence spoke volumes. His inability to function as a normal member of society is what made this film interesting. OP is an idiot.

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When you read this whole thread, wading through the dense verbosity, the self-congratulatory chest pounding, deep he smug assurance of one’s cinema acumen and just plain bullshit, you will have learned that all the reminiscence about “how wonderful” the IMDb boards were comes largely from people whose lives were SO EMPTY that they had the time and inclination to write labored, badly-edited posts that even their own mothers would not waste the time to read, even though Mom was just 1 floor over baby’s room in the basement.

Soldier is a great fucking movie, but it requires testosterone to enjoy it. It’s coeval with The Blood of Heroes, which was written by the same screenwriter.

Why the hell did we never put
Kurt Russell and Rutger Hauer in a movie together? Maybe a movie where they team up and behead all the assholes from the IMDb boards? Produced by Charles Band and directed by Jim Wynorski?!

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