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GoldenEye is largely responsible for the dire state of the Bond series

posted 4 years ago by TreeShaman (806)
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GoldenEye was inexplicably loved by critics and audiences in '95, and the producers have been attempting to copy this film with every subsequent release, even to the point of bringing back the director for Craig's debut and copying major plot elements in Skyfall. GoldenEye was the start of Bond's downward spiral.

And yet I see morons suggesting to bring Martin Campbell back yet again for a future Bond film. That is a horrendous idea.

[–] Stratego (30510) 4 years ago

GoldenEye is a great movie!

Seems only logical to copy some elements for the other Brosnan movies.

[–] Oblivioid (1483) 4 years ago

Disagree. Brosnan Bond films strikingly mark the end of an era in the way the films were made, with miniatures and comic book style gleefully evil villains.

Daniel Craig Bond films were an obvious reworking to compete with the success of Bourne. It was the Bourne movies, and somewhat the Mission: Impossible series that increasingly made the archaic Bond formula appear more and more outdated and ridiculous.

Your assessment is laughably off-base. The Brosnan Bond films will live on with an endearing campiness however, to remind us of less serious times.

[–] clashwho (758) 4 years ago

I think GoldenEye revitalized the series after the Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton years. I hadn't enjoyed a Bond film that much since Sean Connery's heyday.

[–] Ripkens25 (2016) 4 years ago

I liked Goldeneye when I first watched it...but I think it was mostly that I WANTED to like it, because of a long hiatus, and because I wanted to like Brosnan in the role. Upon subsequent watches, I’m not a big fan of Goldeneye (or the Brosnan era) at all.

Goldeneye had dull, ho-hum Bond girls who were not even remotely sexy...and were actually rather off putting. And the villains (except for Sean Bean) were bad. Alan Cummings as the computer geek was just annoying. And speaking of annoying...don’t even get me started on Joe Don Baker!

This is a bad Bond film...overrated, and I think people have false positives about it for the same reasons I did; they just really WANTED to like it.

And Brosnan? I’ve grown to hate his puns....and he just seems like he’s more worried about prancing around in his little tuxedos, not a hair out of place, making sure his little martinis are shaken correctly than he is about getting his hands dirty.

[–] Pete314 (3010) 4 years ago

C'mon, Goldeneye had great locations and Bond in a T-55 tank in St. Petersburg. And Famke Jansen was one of the prettiest Bond girls ever. The only thing to dislike was the not that cool car brand introduced with Brosnan's Bond.

[–] Ripkens25 (2016) 4 years ago

Famke Jansen? Too pastey and pale, with way too much make-up. The bad black hair dye job...and the awful, thick Russian accent just ruins the whole package for me. Not to mention, she over-acts the part and is just...annoying, not sexy or seductive.

Sorry, no sale. This movie has not aged well.
And did I mention Joe Don Baker? With his loud-mouth, obnoxious cliche portrayal?
"Hey Jimbo!" (Ugh)

[–] clashwho (758) 4 years ago

Naah, she's one of the hottest Bond girls ever. Maybe even the hottest.

[–] R_Kane (15828) 3 years ago

^ This, to both of your posts, Ripkens. I LOVED Brosnan on the Remington Steele TV show. It KILLED me that his contract prevented him from becoming Bond when the franchise first wanted him; but this disappointed me, for the reasons you enumerate. The movie came after the worst Bond film generations, Moore and Dalton. Compared to the Moore era, a cluster-fuck with midgets, dwarves and Wookies would have been an improvement. Re: Dalton, I LIKED License to Kill, but it did not have a strong script and The Living Daylights had a script authored either by someone at Hallmark Greeting Cards or Boy’s Life magazine.

Goldeneye? No. Just no.

[–] thingmakersback (1373) 3 years ago

...and the music. That is a thing to dislike. Nice song, crap score.

[–] AP (5288) 4 years ago

This franchise has always had ups and downs.

[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 3 years ago

The last three Bond movies have been atrocious. GoldenEye is the best Bond film. Brosnan delivered a perfect Bond. The sad state of Bond films is a result of plain bad writing and pandering to a new Fast and Furious constituency. Skyfall, being as horrible and popular simultaneously as it was, was the movie that fits your claim.

Though I thought Casino Royal was the 2nd best Bond movie, I do think that bringing Campbell back would be a mistake.

I need several of you in this thread to drop and give me 20 pushups.

[–] pjl69 (2647) 3 years ago

Campbell is an old man now and he probably gave everything he's got in Casino Royale already. Casino Royale was born under lucky stars, I doubt we'll have another very soon. Craig's era was ruined by this continuing story arc. I have no idea what's coming after this.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

Eh Goldeneye is alright, not great but certainly not terrible. While it’s in the bottom half of my rankings it’s really closer to the middle

[–] scannerdarkly (1376) 3 years ago

There is a huge positive worth mentioning.

This great film spawned one of the best games of all time Goldeneye 64, and then that game spawned some the greatest genres of games "the first person shooter" that spawned even more amazing games!

This world has become a better place with this one single movie alone, you cannot discount these turn of events.

I think Goldeneye marked a triumphant return of James Bond, because between Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan we had the longest gap of time where no Bond films were made!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_James_Bond_films

I dont hold Daniel Craig's Bond as high regard as the other James Bonds, but theres still some room for him in the annals of history. Whats really interesting is where Bond will go from here. Maybe another decade will pass before James Bond is reinvigorated?

[–] Skynet1984 (189) 3 years ago

Ah GoldenEye 64 brings back some great memories of when me and my friends every day after school would play the multiplayer split screen. Great days.

[–] scannerdarkly (1376) 3 years ago

Did you fight over who gets to be Oddjob, or have to make a "no one gets to be Oddjob rule"?

[–] Skynet1984 (189) 3 years ago

We had a no oddjob rule.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

GoldenEye is comfortably the best of the Bond series. Thus it cannot be responsible of the 'dire state'. If only more films were like GoldenEye.

Campbell directed the two best Bond films of all time. So I understand the clamoring for his comeback but the man is 78 now, he's done.