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Why has the show “Friends” become considered so problematic in recent years, when it was so hugely popular?


https://www.quora.com/Why-has-the-show-Friends-become-considered-so-problematic-in-recent-years-when-it-was-so-hugely-popular/answer/Michael-Vogel-5

Overt homophobia. Yes, it was finally getting to the point where it was accepted that gay people exist and maybe deserve some rights, but they were shown as weird, extreme, and all around the object of ridicule. From Ross’s ex and her radical feminist man hating lesbian partner to Chandler’s transgender father, the show made LBGTQ+ their punching bag. There is a whole episode where Chandler is terrified because people think he’s gay. It disgusts most young people now (as it should).

So white. A show that took place in downtown NYC, one of the most diverse cities in the world, basically has no one who isn’t lily white. They occasionally encounter a person of color, but besides one Asian American and one African American, both of whom Ross dated, the world of Friends is as white as can be. It’s just not relatable to the rest of the world

Insane sexism. Toss this in with the homophobia above. The number of sexist tropes that Friends counts on for a laugh, from Chandler’s lack of manliness to Rachel (just her whole character), the show is full of sexist stereotypes. Monica and Ross’s father saying “Now that woman has quite a tush. I’m just saying!” and so much objectification is overly prevalent on it.

Shallow and unrelatable. The show that was so relatable (to white 20 somethings in the 90s) is now seen as completely out of touch. Younger people grew up watching TV that wasn’t just funny, but was actually relatable in some ways. Friends just doesn’t touch that chord anymore. People can see better TV than watching a bunch of ultra-privileged white people fly through life on a whim and a prayer. It just doesn’t click with them.

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The person who wrote this is a moron.

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Maybe you are?

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Oh, so YOU wrote it!

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Atrocious point. Nearly every point is laughable, that I wouldn't even know where to start to rebut this garbage.

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And belongs in a mental institution.

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This "article" gave me cancer.

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Yeah, for me it went straight to advanced stage. I suspect I have maybe a month left.

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I don't think most people think its "so problematic". Its just a tiny group of idiots like the writer of that article that are offended by it. The fact Netflix spent 100 million dollars to keep the show after there was so much backlash over them getting rid of it proves most people don't feel the way that the idiot writer does.

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The original poster is a clueless mental retard.

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Have you ever heard of the phrase "Don't blame the messenger"!?

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True but you do share a lot of crap articles.

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Agreed. All the original poster does is copy and paste other people’s work. Nothing more.

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Which is why I never watched it in the first place. Not the diversity issue, but I sure couldn't relate to them. However, your revisionist history regarding a show created in 1994 is remarkable. Culturally, things were a lot different back then. And it still exists in reruns that I avoid assiduously.

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It is a comedy, their comedy which they can put whomever they want in the show, who cares?

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Also people should not take a comedy seriously. It's not meant to be.

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If its in good fun and they mean well with the humor sure,but if its offensive then yeah its not a good idea

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Was just about to say, lol! And that's an impressive list. Watching re-runs nowadays with this "all white" comment in the back of my mind, I see people of color in practically every episode!

So these complainers are pulling a straw man argument there.

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The article is trying to find offense.

First: it describes Susan as a "feminist man hating lesbian", but she never comes off that way. She doesn't really get along with Ross, but Susan and Carol were always portrayed as a loving couple. Ross usually came off looking worse compared to them. While the show takes a couple cheap shots at Chandler's dad, the whole storyline where we finally meet him, the point is that Chandler should get over it and stop pushing his father away. It's super positive and accepting.

The show wasn't very diverse for NYC. Sure. But that doesn't affect it as a show.

The show isn't sexist. There are six main characters. Three are men, three are women. There's an episode where Ross keeps trying to mansplain martial arts/ self-defense to Phoebe and Rachel, and they repeatedly kick his butt. Rachel's character is sexist? She starts off as a spoiled rich girl and progresses into a self-made woman. The article highlights a joke made by Jack Gellar about Steffi Graf, but the joke (as I understand it) is that Jack is coming off as ridiculous. The joke is at Jack's expense, not Graf's.

Next, the article doesn't think it's relatable anymore. Maybe that's true, maybe it doesn't mesh with the modern mindset, but that's okay. Shows won't always be eternally, universally relatable; not every work of art is Shakespeare. Some people relate to it, some people don't. The article writer also misses the fact that, for a generation, Friends *did* speak to them. It was one of the most relatable things in the 90s. Things being made today won't be relatable in twenty-five years, either. That doesn't affect the show's quality, only its longevity.

I'll end by pointing out that the article also claims the show is "shallow", but doesn't even drum up a straw man for that argument. The writer just throws it in there.

Bottom line? This is a poorly-written article, looking for offense, attacking a well-known, well-loved property for clicks. It's tripe.

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That reply, while I wouldn't give the article the respect of one, was perfect.

The all white thing is a stretch. There are groups of tight friends all over New York and the world who are all white, or all black, or all asian, etc (and then have diverse friends outside the core group . And there are also diverse core friendships. I have no idea why it was even relevant. In Family Matters for example, Eddie, Waldo, Steve, Laura and Maxine were all black. No complaints on that one from the author though. Weak complaint.

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