Did anyone feel sorry for....... - Menace II Society (1993) Discussion

[–] taterchipper118 18 years ago

yeah i did. they were just minding their own buisness and they lose their life!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[–] albrown-2 18 years ago

Hell No thats what they get for racial profliling

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[–] Laughing_bun 18 years ago

WERE THEY WRONG???? no is racial profiling OK? YESS. Did they deserve to die? nooo

how can you bitch about racial profiling when the two guys were total scumbags.

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[–] ZeeIsInTheHouse 17 years ago

Yeah cmon they kinda did deserve it, they were stereotyping caine and o dogg just because of their colour.. plus the guy said somethin about his mum

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[–] khaoesmith27 16 years ago

You can follow me around in the store all you want. I'll jus laugh at cha. Talk about my mom n yeah I'm winding yo clock back. I think the guy deserved it. The lady didn't.

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[–] dmatrix69man 16 years ago

how can u even wonder why or even be surprised that o dogg ended up shootin
the 2 koreans

first of all, o dogg and cain walks in the store minding there own business talking to each other

the women follows them around the store...... thats normal if you your store has been robbed previous and u just wants to make sure that nothin happens

but whats ticks everything off, is when she says "hurry up and Bye"

i dont care who u are, but if your shoppin in the store, its one thing to have somebody follow u around to make sure you dont steal, but for the person to rush u to bye somethin is ridiculous and will tick any sane person off

so to think O Dogg is already pissed off

and what throws him overboard, is that after he pays for the item, the korean man has the nerve to say

"i feel sorry for your mother"

i dont care if u like it or not, but nobody likes to get disrespect, and at the end of the day instead of cursing back, ignoring it, or jumpin over the counter stomping him out, he resorts to killing Both of them

its, wrong but at the end of the day can't say i feel sorry for them, because they were racist.....

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[–] Hobblefoot 14 years ago

Anybody who tries to defend O is pretty much just as much of a piece of **** as he is. These people run a liquor store in a bad neighborhood, and have probably been robbed many times, most likely often by people not nearly as thuggish as O himself. They have every right to follow him around, and his bull**** "nobody disses me" attitude caused the rest of it. "I feel sorry for your mom" despite how stupid some people are, isn't an insult to his mom.

The only mistake the Koreans made was not ramming a gun up his ass and pulling the trigger till it clicked. **** O, and **** anybody who thinks he was even slightly in the right. Pathetic ****ing wastes.

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[–] venanttout 8 years ago

Culture of excuse at its lowest. YOU ARE A RACIST. And a moron.

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[–] TheCrooner777 10 years ago

He did call his woman a bitch for following him around.. I don't see the Korean dude pulling a gun on him

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[–] Tru-Dru 15 years ago

Well u are either a liar or u talk the half truth...the european racist white supremacists are the cause of many if not most of the wrongs today. Still I don't hold Bigots accountable for everything slavery has ended, and now we still are enslaved in the mind, and hate each other, and do other evil actrocities..which is why I think the Black Nation may be lost, but still there's hope when YHWH (GOD), and Yeshua Emmanuel (Jesus Christ) Reunite the New Jerusalem's Lot and we join him as all Tribes (Ethnicities) in a new Earth which is all ready here, but hasn't been revealed.

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[–] billumberg 16 years ago

Just like you dserve an ASBO.

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[–] psychedelic_bomb 14 years ago

They were racist so they deserved to be MURDERED? I dunno about that...

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[–] venanttout 8 years ago

No problem. What isn't clear is, if you talk about somebody's mom, should he kill you, or should he kill your mom ? You know, for you to get the message ?

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[–] Mandingo609 11 years ago

It's funny how, 7 years after this post, The Zimmerman thing happened.

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[–] Nitty1981 14 years ago

I don't but at the same time I do. First, I didn't because of the way the store owner and his wife treated Caine and O Dog as customers. These two people are patronizing your business, you can't treat customers that way. Telling them to hurry up and buy. The store owner didn't have to say one word to them. Just let them buy their beer so they can leave. But naw he said "I don't want any trouble, just get out! I feel sorry for your mother!" Now I do feel sorry for them because no one deserves to be killed like that over mere words. All in all both parties were wrong.

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[–] robot-robot 14 years ago

After this scene I lost ANY sympathy for any of this movies characters. They don't even try to be decent human beings, they have no soul and should be shot. *beep* animals

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[–] Bosdog6777 (817) 4 years ago

I'm sure O Doggy was causing trouble in that store for years and they didn't even want him in their to begin with because you know he was a murderous raging psychopath and all and the Korean guy had enough and let a small insult out and got blasted for it because Muh Black Privilege.

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[–] bbs1984 18 years ago

Yes and No. Should O-Dog have murdered them, absolutely not. However, the male store owner was very out of line for what he said to O-Dog. All he had to do was wait for them to leave, then talk crap about them once they were gone. You never know how someone is going to react to that kind of statement. You should never talk about a man's family unless you're ready to accept the reprocussions for that statement. Also, racial profiling isn't ok. It's never ok.

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[–] Computer_Stud 18 years ago

I really didn't feel bad for them. They were very racist.

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[–] missgangsmashers 18 years ago

I didn't like that fact that they were racist and I
it's a toss up about my feelings about them getting
killed because back in the day (early 90's);

I think this happened in New York; a young
Black Girl was being followed around in
a Korean owned store and I don't know if
she stole the Orange Juice or not but in
any event; even if she did; the Korean
Lady shouldn't have never shot the girl
in the back!

Does anyone remember this story?
Back in the late 80's, early 90's
Blacks and Koreans were having major
problems; mainly becaused they
owned the stores and as always,
Black People are the ones buying
and they would treat the Black
People like shyt and follow them
around and falsely accuse them
of stealing...

When the Korean Guy told O-Dog
in the movie: "I feel sorry for
your mother!" I knew it was
ON then and I was like DAMN,
that's what they get but of
course the other side of me
feels bad when anyone looses
their life under any
circumstances...

Best,
Miss. T

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[–] Computer_Stud 18 years ago

I read this case in law school. The Korean owner was a little more justified in the sense that the black customer had beaten the owner severely and I think the owner retaliated merely out of rage. However, the girl didn't deserve to die but the owner's actions were understandable.

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[–] mach3blackbird 18 years ago

That scene is by far the most unrealistic of the entire movie - powerful, yes, but if you think that would happen in real life, you're playing yourself.

First of all, no Korean store owner with his sanity intact would have said what he said in friggin' ENGLISH - he would've resorted to his native tongue and let the dude walk off. I mean, come on...if those two cats LOOK dangerous, you aren't going to provoke them unless you're really THAT stupid, in which case you deserve a Darwin award for subtracting yourself outta the gene pool.

Second, even someone as crazy as O Dogg would be equally foolish to act that imposing in real life...please believe the blacks and eses know that every Korean convenience store owner in L.A. keeps a loaded firearm hidden under the counter. In real life, O Dogg would never have even thought twice about acting threatening that way because the moment he did that, chances would be about 90% he'd have a shotgun barrel to his chest and a finger on the trigger before the thought of reaching for his Glock entered his mind. When the black dudes rob the Korean stores, they go in with guns drawn immediately (and usually, 3-4 strong) cause they know that if they aren't quick, they're gonna get shot at.

So, to make a long story short, what happened in that scene would never have happened in real life…EVER. Korean guy would have a gun, O Dogg would have a gun, but since that puts them at even odds, both would go about their business even IF there was noticeable animosity between them for fear of provoking the other.

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[–] missgangsmashers 18 years ago

I read this case in law school. The Korean owner was a little more justified in the sense that the black customer had beaten the owner severely and I think the owner retaliated merely out of rage. However, the girl didn't deserve to die but the owner's actions were understandable.

Oh, thanks for letting me know this! I didn't know about her beating the lady.
But I still don't think she should have killed her!

Best,
Miss. T

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[–] aznplayafolife206 18 years ago

when O-dog said "I cant stand ya'll" after the korean guy gave him his change.. was he just referring to them? or all asian people? or just racist?

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[–] Computer_Stud 18 years ago

He was referring the two asian grocers because of the way the lady kept following him around, thinking he was going to steal something.

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[–] xFAM0USx 18 years ago

That doesn't justify murder..at the most,curse him out..but shooting the man and his wife dead in their own store is ridiculous,then later,glorifying it by watching the tape and talking about selling it..

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[–] blunderful_k 18 years ago

Oh man, I was hoping for both of them to go Jail the entire movie. I was pissed that Kevin, aka "o-boy", wasn't the one who got shot. And they had every right to follow them around. They were thugs! Poor grocer, just trying to make a life for himself. And was O-boy the same kid from power rangers?

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[–] aznplayafolife206 18 years ago

its o-dog not o-boy and i thought he was the black power ranger from the original series also when i saw the cover but it isnt thats walter jones that played the back power ranger.. and larenz tate plays o-dog.. and the store owner guy shouldnt have said anythin bout his mom because alot of ppl get offensive over that and o-dog is crazy so he just doesnt give a *beep* but i do feel bad for the wife.

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[–] lade_at_large 18 years ago

O-Dog was an evil dude, but that didn't give him a right to murder the two korean grocerers. At most, he coulda cussed them out, and maybe pushed them, or something.

Also, MISS T, the owner's actions in shooting the little girl was NOT right at all. I don't care if she got beaten by a black man. She probably got beaten by a black man because she was getting on his nerves.

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[–] aznplayafolife206 18 years ago

i dont remember no girl getting beat

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[–] lade_at_large 18 years ago

It was the korean store managers that got a beat up by a black man (i'm not talking about the movie, i'm talking about a situation that happened in 1991)

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[–] jessecalderon2 18 years ago

I felt sorry for their mothers...

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[–] cclub 17 years ago

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I read this case in law school. The Korean owner was a little more justified in the sense that the black customer had beaten the owner severely and I think the owner retaliated merely out of rage. However, the girl didn't deserve to die but the owner's actions were understandable.>>>>>>

You are not telling the whole story.

The girl had a bottle of $1.99 orange juice. The owner thought she was going to steal it and GRABBED the girl. The girl became enraged and slapped the owner several times. Then the owner grabbed the gun as the girl was LEAVING the store and shot her in the back of the head. The bitch should have gotten prison time, but she only got charged with involuntary manslaughter and got probation.

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[–] cclub 17 years ago

I didn't feel anything when the Koreans were shot in the story. Not condoning it, but I just didn't care for them. Alot of them take for granted their customers, they need to respect their customers because without them, they would be back in riceboats and starving.

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[–] mr_x350 17 years ago

the store owner deserved a punch in the face maybe, but NOT death! the store owner was probably many times a victim of robbery too, which is why he chose to keep his eye on them, but he was acting like kind of a dick too. i think o-dogg shoulda just punched him, not shot him

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[–] youngnottheold1 17 years ago

wow that's an incredibly racist post..
riceboats? starving?
South Korea is hardly a 3rd world country, do a little research before running your mouth off like that.

Also I'm surprised nobody has brought up the LA riots and the millions of dollars in damages Korean store owners suffered at the hands of black people.
After something like that, it's no wonder Koreans don't trust blacks anymore.
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[–] billumberg 16 years ago

Just like, without the internet, you;d be stuck keeping ignorant comments to yourself.

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[–] jsn_hylnd 14 years ago

I don't think they deserved to die but I didn't feel sorry for them though.

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[–] anders_biro 14 years ago

I must say that it is indeed quite pathetic to accuse the shop owners of racism when it turned their suspicions about their character were right all along.
(Even more so as they were not only thieves but murderers as well).

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[–] tawdry_hepburn 17 years ago

No, it was clearly a racial slur. "You people" is a fairly problematic phrase. It's open to interpretation, I suppose. But, given the themes present in the film, it's almost certainly a slur.

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

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[–] billumberg 16 years ago

Right, the scene is all about allegory (for racial tension) and the introduction of O-dog (psychopath) and Caine (spineless joiner).

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[–] bonzo2751 17 years ago

I too studied this case in my first year Criminal Law class in law school. It involved the slaying of Latasha Harlins, a 15 year old, black, HONOR STUDENT in Los Angeles, CA.

Latasha and a friend walked into a store owned by a Korean family by the name of Du. In prior months, the Du's had been victims of shoplifting and robberies by the local chapter of the Crips. Their son, who occasionally worked at the store, once ID'd a crip member in a line-up, and was thus targeted for retaliation by the crips.

Out of concern for his safety, the Du's reached out with a cash settlement offer to the crips in exchange for his safety. AND, Mr. Du bought a modified .38 caliber revolver.

NOTE: The gun had been modified so that it basically had a 'hair-trigger'. This means that a far less forceful squeeze was required to fire the gun...thus making it ILLEGAL to own in CA.

BACK to Latasha:

Latasha was wearing a backpack. She walked to the cooler, grabbed a bottle of OJ, and stuck it in her backpack. NOTE: she had 2 one dollar bills clutched in her right hand the whole time.

Mrs. Du, who was working instead of her son, saw Latasha put the OJ in her backpack, walked up to her and demanded that Latasha give it back...while Latasha was on her way up the aisle leading to the register no less. Latasha retorted angrily, "WHAT JUICE?!!?", and Du accused her of stealing.

Du started to scuffle with Latasha in an attempt to grab the OJ. Latasha punched Du in the face at least twice, knocking Du down each time. Du ran behind the counter and grabbed her ILLEGAL firearm. She pointed it at Latasha.

At this point, Latasha put down the OJ on the counter and started to walk out...her 2 dollars still in her hand...Du raised the gun, pointing to the back of the girl's head, and ...blew away a bona-fide honor student-athlete over a bottle of OJ.

Du was sentenced (manslaughter) to 10 years, and the judge (a white woman) suspended the sentence...Du never served day one of her sentence.

Those are the facts of the case. You decide. The people of CA decided...they lobbied and protested the sentence so much that the stupid judge was removed from the bench...unfortunately the murderous Du went free.

MY PERSONAL OPINION: the problem with Middle-Eastern, Indian, Pakistani and Asian store owners is that they come from countries where social castes are not only acceptable, but are sometimes the law...

When they arrive here, their friends and relatives who have been here a while tell them that blacks are the lowest man on the totem pole and aren't worth much. (NOTE: I DO NOT AGREE NOR CONDONE THIS BELIEF) .....but that's why tragedies-like the one that befell Latasha Harlins-occur...hmmm.

"Nothing useless can truly be beautiful"

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[–] bonzo2751 16 years ago

Hi there walking ignorance...welcome to my ignore list.

"Nothing useless can truly be beautiful"

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[–] LadyLovie 16 years ago

I remember that,they had a video of it on the national news,if it's the same story,i don't think the girl stole anything, they were arguing & pushed each other. the store owner pulled a gun on the girl & the girl put her hands up & turned away to walk out the owner shot her-in the back.

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[–] GrimeyRickGrimes 16 years ago

Hell naw I didnt feel sorry for the store owners. If it was a robbery I would have feel sad. That's what they get for talking shyt

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[–] CharlesMartel80 16 years ago

Who wouldn't be racist living and working in that area?

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[–] tawdry_hepburn 17 years ago

I feel sorry for O-Dog's hypothetical parents...

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

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[–] billumberg 16 years ago

But not for the actor's parents. One of the best psychopath performances ever.

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[–] tawdry_hepburn 16 years ago

Indeed.

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

www.myspace.com/ohhorrorofhorrors

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[–] fiatlux-1 17 years ago

I felt very sorry for the two storeowners in the film. They were perfectly justified in staring at them like that. I get stared at in stores all the time, and while its annoying sometimes, its punks who steal that make businessowners nervous and watch everyone in the first place.

Granted, the Korean storeowner making that comment about 'feeling sorry for your mothers' was way out of line, and stupid too!
But he didn't deserve to DIE for that! And the wife did nothing at all. I was so hoping that O-Dog and Caine would get arrested too.

"Know that when you look into the abyss.....the abyss also looks into you."

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[–] tvman20002000 17 years ago

The owners didnt deserve to die at all just as caine didn't deserve to get killed at the end

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[–] tawdry_hepburn 17 years ago

Not at all! They were more or less innocents whereas Caine was a murderer, a thug, a drug dealer, and a (soon to be) deadbeat dad. He was poisoning his own neighborhood with the crack he sold and for what? For some rims?

The story is told through the eyes of Caine. Thus, as an audience we must see things as we does. We end up sympathizing with him because we are put in his shoes and people are wont to see themselves as "the good guy" but the fact of the matter is that Caine is the same as O-Dog. Both had it coming.

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

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[–] lcplthomasc 16 years ago

the store owners were poisoning the community with the alcohol they sold. its all a vicious cycle.

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[–] tawdry_hepburn 16 years ago

Seriously? You're saying that the Corner Store owners deserved to die because they sold a legal product, in a legal manner, with various restrictions?

It is entirely possible to use alcohol in a responsible manner. It can even be beneficial to do so. You know what can't be done responsibly or socially? Crack. You know, the stuff O-Dog was making money from?

Granted, Alcohol and alcoholism can and do destroy lives, but to blame the Korean couple, and moreover to imply that their deaths were justified because other people weren't mature enough to know when to stop drinking...that's just stupid.

Now, if they were shown giving 10-year olds a freebie 40 ouncer, or over-serving a drunk man, then you might have a point, but since neither of those events happened, your arguments remain specious.

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

www.myspace.com/ohhorrorofhorrors

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[–] mrdwaynej 17 years ago

I thought it was awful that they lost their lives over nothing. Very tragic indeed.

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[–] McNools 17 years ago

He didn't talk *beep* about his mother, he said he felt sorry for his mother, in other words, he was talking *beep* about O-Dog, not his mother.

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[–] KCohere 17 years ago

Of course! They didnt deserve the be murdered by a sociopath.

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[–] mr_armageddon 17 years ago

are you people joking me with these comments?

who the *beep* honestly thinks the koreans DESERVED to die? Racial profiling, ok, that's not good. Judging by color is horrible. Talking *beep* about someone's mother, that's also not good. It's racist and unfair and a bad thing.

However, does that deserve DEATH? in no *beep* way does talking smack deserve a bullet in the head. That's the dumbest *beep* I've ever read on IMDB, and i've read a lot of dumb comments on this site.

Are you saying that if you were out and about and someone yelled at you "*beep* your mother", you'd come out blasting? what the *beep* is that? If you honestly believe that *beep* then I'm just waiting for your names to be called out on local news reports.

The korean store owners maybe deserved to be punched or talked smack back to, but in no way does someone deserve death over something as trivial as that. If this is the general american sentiment about trash talking, then it's no wonder that the US is the murder country of the world.

Those types of opinions are incredibly childish and uneducated. I feel sorry for YOUR mothers.

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[–] erikriveros 15 years ago

wow...lot of messy things in this thread...

i feel sorry for your mom's....uhoh....

it is better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have it

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[–] lolita_ivory 16 years ago

That black dude was reckless but the store owner did not need to say what he said especially if he wasn't going to be able to back it up.

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[–] billumberg 16 years ago

Of course. Nobody deserves to get shot for making smart-ass remarks.

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