First half was great


Then it turned into another crazy white man story.

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I remember feeling cheated. The trailer made out he was a normal guy who just flips out one day because modern life is just too cray cray, but then it turns out he’s basically a mentally ill psycho on a mission.

I also found Duvall’s character a bit blah, like did we need all the stuff about his wife etc?

There’s a really interesting film hiding in this mediocre cop-chases-psycho thriller.


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Exactly. They couldn't just make a film about a working man getting pissed off and losing it, which is basically what everybody wanted to see. They had to moralize...

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You are all correct - this movie robs itself of the potential by making it into "of course a psycho nut is going to act like a psycho nut" instead of something poignant, like "this could happen to you, because our world is insane".

What a waste of potential.. Koyaanisqatsi was gutsier (no pun intended) than this movie, it actually shows us - without any words - just how INSANE our world is, and how easy that insanity is to see if you look at it from a slightly different perspective than what we are used to.

This movie COULD have been similar, it could have moralized about how terrible corporate greed is, and what it DOES to people, how unhealthy the cubicle wage-slavery and the car-centric commuting system (just because the corporations have paid for the offices for years to come, we can't have telecommuting, working from home, et cetera) is.

When you watch those 'Urbanist' videos from 'NotJustBikes' and some others, you have to wonder if 'car-centrism' is REALLY what is the best for everyone. Thankfully, in Europe, public transport is downright amazing compared to car-centric, almost third-world sh1tholes that think they're on the top of the world because everyone has a car.

In any case, this problem is showed in this movie in a very powerful way, but then the guy ALREADY BEING A PSYCHO dilutes that power until there's nothing left. It destroys this movie's potential and poignancy more aggressively than D-Fence destroys the small Korean store because he would have had to pay 35 cents more for a can of toilet-cleaning liquid than usual.

(Yes, I said it - that stuff is better for cleaning toilets than human consumption)

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Ironically, the world gone mad and pushing a seemingly quiet, isolated man over his limits is pretty much the plot of Joker.

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As Joker says in the comics, 'Madness is like gravity, all it takes is one little push... One bad day'.

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I agree, the stuff where he's going crazy at stuff and reacting were great and was the appeal of the movie.

I also found the Robert Duvall / wife stuff really slowed it down. But it kind of pays off because I remember a sense of worry with this character going up against D-FENS at the end.

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I was disappointed in this film. I wanted him to be frustrated and angry at everyone and everything for being lackluster (lazy), unethical, apathetic, violent, loud, uncouth, because he feels society is going down the drain.

Instead we get a story tie-in with his wife and daughter. The film would've been fine without them. I thought that angle was unnecessary. In parts, this film is brilliant, but overall it's disappointing.

Loved Robert Duvall in this.

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Exactly. It would be much better if he was just a ‘get off my lawn’ grouch who tipped over.

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Whole thing was great. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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I agree. He realized he went too far and that there was no coming back so he picked up his balls and decided to go all the damn way.

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I've always wanted a sequel. Who's to say he was dead in the water? He could've survived, went into a psychiatric care facility. Gotten out eventually. And then who knows after that right lol??

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The whole movie is great.

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I thought this was a good movie but Duvall's wife's character was annoying and wish we would've gotten to see less of her and more of Michael Douglas's character.

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It was a crazy man story from the very beginning, when he abandoned his car. Normal sane people don't do that.

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I thought it had potential to be a great movie but the scenes with Tuesday Weld's character was way overbearing, I wanted to see more of Michael Douglas's character.

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I think those scenes are in there solely help the audience to compare and comprehend the true nature of Foster and why his marriage fell apart. In short, it was meant to relay that Foster himself was responsible for his marriage disintegrating because he wasn't able to cope with standing up for himself with the pressure between him and Beth, and that made him take out his anger on her because she wasn't "perfect" to him.

On the other hand, Pendergast ultimately decides to accept the challenge of having to stand up to his unpleasant colleagues in the end.

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That crazy white man did have a point, especially when said crazy white man arrived for some food at the "Whammy Burger" restaurant.. That scene is all too much like what we see now in fast food, so he's not wrong except for opening fire into the ceiling like he did and also, the woman taking his order before the manager took over is the kind of Gen Z worker you end up terminating after the smartass stunt she pulled with a crazy white man sporting an assault weapon

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"he's not wrong except for opening fire into the ceiling like he did"

Yes, but it was an accident.

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Yes I didn't like the end where we find that he is actually going to kill his wife. I mean he goes through all this trouble the whole movie to see his daughter and it's a cop out, oh he was just a psychopath trying to make it home to kill his wife.

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Nope, he had a water gun, he didn't actually intend to kill the wife but obviously it was something that crossed his mind.

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