the nolan movies cant top this
THIS was a batman movie
the nolan movies were movies where a guy was called batman
I love this movie too.
But this is such a horrible take lol
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I agree they don't top it, but they hold their own.
Batman '89 ~ 8/10
Batman Returns ~ 9/10
Batman Begins ~ 8/10
The Dark Knight ~ 9/10
The Dark Knight Rises remains a huge disappointment. The Dark Knight has some good aspects but I dislike how Gotham was just Chicago, Batman's voice, and I lose interest in it every single time once Joker escapes from prison. I still enjoy Batman Begins now and again mainly because it had the best Gotham and just the right amount of realism and fantastical.
This is superior though.
The Nolan films take themselves too seriously, too melodramatic. Good action and entertaining yes, but up their own ass as well.
Batman 89 is geared more towards old school movie fans who like a bit more style in their movies, more imagination, and not just realism and pretentious dialogue like "You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain".
Something I find fascinating. Whenever I think of Nolan's Batman films, the first thing I think of are all the scenes of Alfred telling Batman how much he cares about him, how he doesn't want him to die, and how he wants him to find happiness. It just feels as if there were tons of repetitive scenes like that throughout the trilogy. Yeah, we get it Nolan, Alfred cares about him.
In this film, Tim Burton does it in one brief moment - "I have no wish to fill my few remaining years, grieving for the loss of old friends, or their sons". Much more subtle, simple and effective storytelling.
I think that's a great summation of the difference between Batman 89 and the Nolan ones. Less is more with Burton, while the Nolan movies just beat you over the head repeatedly with every message.
Even the little things work better like the Batmobile being a cool car instead of that weird lump/APC thing. When I watch the film it feels like I'm looking into another world when I see Gotham and places like the Axis chemical plant or the batlair, while Nolan's Gotham is just feels like a boring city.
Great point about how they would get the point across with one succinct line.
It's an annoyance most films are guilty of now i noticed it really bad with one of the last Scream films. They spend 20 minutes telling us how sad and vulnerable the main girls are where in the original you get one or two lines about what happened the year before to Sydney's mother and we understand perfectly and can move along with the story
One succinct line's right. Burton did it in the original Beetlejuice as well. The heart of the film ultimately boils down to Lydia becoming like a daughter to Adam and Barbara who were never able to have kids when they were alive.
If it was made now you can guarantee there'd be a load of exposition for the audience about it at the beginning. But just before the car crash Adam just simply says to Barbara "We can try again while we're on vacation".
It's an even worse form of exposition and just like in real life if somebody is constantly explaining how tough they are or how funny loyal ect it has the opposite effect
I'm thinking back to Ledgers character now and all the monologues about his upbringing and everything it's just cringe to me not menacing in the slightest i never liked the Nolan films but wasn't sure exactly why and now i think it's these little things plus the shit score that put me off
Pretentious maybe, but it's iconic. Look at how many people still quote that line now, along with "the hero Gotham deserves but not the one it needs right now", "Some men just want to watch the world burn" and others.
I always found the dialogue in Batman 89 clunky, like "It's not a perfect world", "It doesn't have to be a perfect world".
Well that's your taste and I respect that you think it's iconic, we all enjoy films in our own way.
For me, "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight" is like movie Shakespeare haha.
That's a great line. Also "Think about the future" :)
shareI love the way Nicholson delivers that line. Also love his 'Better be sure...' as Bob pulls out his gun from behind him.
shareYes, that's another classic line haha.
Rotelli: What's with that stupid grin?
The Joker: Life's been good to me
Nicholson was a riot in this movie. Born to be the joker. share