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The betrayal at the end (spoiler)


Six seasons we're supposed to believe Kevin and Winnie were meant to be together. In the finale though we learn they went their separate ways. To a certain degree this spoils rewatching the show. I don't understand why the writers thought they had to take the realistic route instead of the romantic route. Then again, there are highschool sweethearts ending up together for life. It still pisses me of no end. I just don't understand what they were thinking.

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didnt bother me

I dont think they were that great together

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Yeah Kevin was always thinking about other girls when Winnie wasn’t around.

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i liked that girl he met on vaction in the summer "the lake" episode then went back "return to the lake"

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Trying to figure out who you meant, ran a quick search online & found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHRrI9MREM

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WTH is that? Is that the girl from the lake episode?

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All grown up, yeah.

https://moviechat.org/nm0314126

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Definitely cuter than Winnie.

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No worries! Everyone knows that just 6 months after we hear adult Kevin's final narration that he discovers his wife is having an affair and divorces her.

Meanwhile Winnies husband reveals he's gay and in love with an Australian man and she gets divorced.

Kevin and Winnie get together and get married.

Boom happy ending.

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That sounds amazingly 2021ish. You should move to Hollywood and become a hip modern day SJW writer, and lecture the world about inclusiveness, and diversity.

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I think it sounds more 2012.

2021 would be… Winnie goes to college and becomes body-positive, eating herself into dangerous obesity while learning about the patriarchy and how evil Kevin always was. She cuts her hair and dyes it blue, and becomes a raging politically active lesbian, occasionally having sex with men so that she can get abortions.

She returns home, lecturing her parents on systemic racism/sexism/transphobia in explosive domestic tirades, and is ready to beat the shit out of Kevin, who she hasn’t seen for years, for being a bigot.

But, to her surprise. Kevin is not the straight white male jock she was expecting to see (and educate). No, Kevin is now ‘Karen’, a proud trans woman, fully post-op and with big fake tits. The two hook up immediately and set about destroying their families and both go into film and TV production.

Together they produce The Wonder Years (2021) - the new all-black version which successfully erases all memory of the original.



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The two of you should move out to Hollywood and become a writing duo. You'd make millions... or lose millions. Hollywood doesn't seem to care about how much money it makes anymore. It's all about pushing an agenda nowadays.

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I would but I’d lose my soul and never be able to sleep again, plus straight white men can’t get work out there anymore.

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You do understand life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, the happy fairy tale ending that you seemed to want rarely ever happens. It’s all part of growing up, things don’t always work out the way you planned. Maybe you you’d better stick to Full House and The Brady Bunch, they seem to be more your style.

Besides Winnie had the personality of a dish rag, he should have just decided to be with Becky or Linda he was an idiot for letting them go.

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Well duh! But there still are happy endings. Lots of high school sweethearts. So why would it be more realistic for them to fall apart? Watching reruns just feels wrong now.

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Because in life things don’t always turn out the way you want them to. Having them end up together would have just been your typical fairy tale ending, the show was more mature than that. Not to mention it would have been corny and cliched. The show was about growing up, and part of growing up is learning that life is going to throw you curve balls.

Again if you want my advice just stick to Full House.

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Not winding up together is just as cliché. Misery isn't any deeper than happiness.

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Uh no it isn’t. It’s more realistic and less corny. And Kevin didn’t end up miserable, things didn’t work out the way he wanted but it was alright. Your now in logical fallacy territory as you just directly misrepresented what I said. I’m sorry The Wonder Years wasn’t the Brady Bunch fairy tale you wanted but it is definitely too much for you.

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Happy endings are no fairytales. Miserablism is not more realistic or less corny. You keep repeating the same stereotype.

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Gotta agree with Burger here. What are you on about Moviechatuser

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I clearly explained why it’s not a “betrayal” that they didn’t end up together. This show is a coming of age drama, it’s not a corny romantic comedy.

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Im just saying I disagree with you thinking two people ending up together is less realistic or corny. It happens all the time

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And that was never my premise

The OP said it was a “betrayal” that they didn’t end up together and it isn’t because more often people don’t marry their middle school sweethearts and this wasn’t that type of show, the show was about Kevin growing up and learning to handle what life threw at him, it wasn’t about him finding his one true love or whatever

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Please show me evidence he ended up “miserable”? You are twisting the facts to fit the square peg in the round hole you want it to go in. The ending was fine the way it was. Life is full of disappointments , things don’t always work out the way you want them to and you have to learn to roll with the punches. I’m also very confused as to how this constitutes a “betrayal”? They in no way ever promised or set up that they would get married. This isn’t Cinderella, this isn’t a romantic comedy, it’s a coming of age story. Like I said stick with The Brady Bunch that is more your kind of story. And besides Winnie wasn’t even that great of a character, she was bland , uninteresting and wouldn’t even say what was on her mind. If Kevin was going to end up with anyone from the show it should have been Becky or Linda. It would have been very unrealistic for Kevin’s life to turn out exactly the way he wanted it to when he was 12, that barely happens to anyone. This show is about growing up and the universe it exists in is very similar to ours unlike Full House and your typical animated Disney fairy tale.

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I think Linda was his science partner once,he escorted her to a dance in junior high. The actress who played Becky is tbe real life sister of Danica. I think she practices law now.

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Both of them were better characters than Winnie. Kevin was a complete fool for letting them go.

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I recall Becky was kind of bossy and mean, but I assume she cared about Kevin. Anyhow, as much as one can at that age.

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She wasn’t bossy or mean, she didn’t appreciate Kevin using her to make Winnie jealous. She also had something called a personality, something Winnie didn’t have.

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I recall Becky was kind of bossy and mean, but I assume she cared about Kevin. Anyhow, as much as one can at that age.

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TLDR.

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It was only like a paragraph, how is that too long for you to read?

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No you are just extremely boring.

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Apparently not considering you took the time to respond to me.

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You were right in this whole string. Not sure why they're trying to make such a false leading statement.

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I didn't like it when I was younger, but having re-watched it about 2 years ago, it didn't bother me at all. They weren't good together. She was the queen of mixed signals and brooding and he was constantly looking to other girls.

I liked that they stayed friends though.

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Seriously, she wouldn’t ever say what was on her mind and she was as dull and boring as dish rag.

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Having rewatched it as an adult I really picked up on some things. She was sooooo aloof and sending mixed signals all the time and he always had his eyes on other girls. One minute she's all "I really care about you, Kevin" then by 7th period she had a boyfriend. And he was terrible at keeping in contact with people.

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Totally agree, and another thing that pissed me off was in the final episode she got so mad at Kevin for "spying" on her when she was making out with someone else (pretty sure they were going out at the time), and I'm like "uhh you were doing it in public, obviously you didn't care about your privacy at all"

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Winnie becomes a math wiz but still prefers her career as a pin up girl. Kevin is intimidated by Winnie flaunting herself but oddly excited as well. Winnie knows that Kevin is far below what she can really achieve in life but he is somewhat stable and he never seems to ask why she sometimes comes home late, without panties.

And why their second child is darker than both of them..

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Winnie was a head case. There's no happy ending with her. I've loved a few head cases. They always end up with idiots who don't appreciate them.

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Nobody's perfect.

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If the wonder years is anything, it's realistic. people love this show because in pretty much every single episode they can relate to something. this show is the most realistic and honest story of childhood there is.

We've all had high school sweethearts, we've all gone to the prom with them, it's seemed perfect at time, like it would last forever, but today can you even remember her surname?

it's like kevin and paul, they were best friends, but what happens is as time passes, you might change schools, then you go toe college, you get a job, this puts you in contact with new people, you change.... the best example of this is the card game episode, kevin and paul will be friends for life, but it won't be like when they were 12.

you're expecting kevin and winnie to feel the same way about each other at 30 as they did when they were 13!

you're ignoring the realities of the world, this show is beautful because it captures childhood perfectly, it takes us back there. bad times and good times, if you want romantic perfect endings there are disney films.

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Like I said, there are plenty of high-school sweethearts. It's realistic, it happens all the time.

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over the last week or so i've watched about 20 wonder years episodes at random and the final episode too.

Wanting for winnie and kevin to end up together would be like not wanting the titanic to sink at the end of movie. the series tells the story of kevin and his childhood, his friends, his first love. it tells the story of kevin and winnie who are always drifting apart, never seem right for each other.

in every single season they get together, just to find someone else and breakup. it's too easy for them to find someone else, go off with someone else, who in reality is pretty meaningless, like the girl at the lake, the lifeguard at the hotel....

in the last episode in the barn everything is explained, kevin says "you can live next door to someone all your life and not really know who they are", winnie cries when he says that not because she's sad, but she knows its true.

to have kevin and winnie end up together after a 100 something episodes of telling you weren't compatible and always ended up finding someone else is to ignore the entire series. it's to put a cows head on a horses body.

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I must have missed that quote from Kevin but all the other episodes he always alluded how they were always to be together.

However, I never saw what he did in her, she did have a personality of a dish rag. I don't know if it was her acting but I had to assume the entire series she must have been a heck of a playmate before middle school to have pined over her so much in this series.

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but that's life right? how old was kevin when we first see him and throughout the show? he's a kid...

how much kids change from starting middle school to leaving high school is crazy. of course he saw something in her, they grew up together, she was pretty, they had been through so much...

the show for me was so realistic, because i too dated like a high school sweetheart that seemed would last forever, it didnt...

we also see kevin and paul drift apart a little..thats what happens.

like the person you responded to said, it was never realistic for them to end up together.

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