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When did it jump the shark?


A The prequels
B The sequels
C The Christmas special
D The special editions
E Ewoks
F Other fuckup (describe)

For me it's A, it lost its luster and magic and turned into a tainted commercial operation for children, not a universe for me anymore.
It only got worse since.

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No idea

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I should point out that the Special Editions came BEFORE the Prequels, as part of the cinema re-release of the OT back in the late 90s.

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No shit Sherlock

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Sorry, I thought you made your list above in the order that they happened, no need to bite my head off.

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When Anakin Skywalker said, “I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth.”

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This is one of the most iconic, well known, and oft quoted lines of the entire franchise. So what if it's known because it's so cringe worthy? Decades later, people are still referencing it, just as you are here. I think it fits perfectly with the cheesy schlock that Star Wars was intended to be in the first place, with its space wizards and space sound effects.

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I know it’s Lucas’ love letter to Flash Gordon (which he failed to get the rights to). But this line was sadly iconic for all the wrong reasons.

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It is most certainly for all the wrong reasons, but iconic nonetheless.

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hmm good question, i wanted to say the prequels but the special editions really pissed people off, all down hill from there.

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I'm going with A. So, I used to watch Star Wars as a kid but remember not having seen them for YEARS when I went to a theater in 1997 and saw they were releasing the Special Editions. I saw A new Hope on Opening Day and it was amazing; like seeing it for the first time because it really was as a 15-year-old and not a 10-year-old. It's amazing what a 5 year growth does to your comprehension. lol. But I didn't hate the additions. At the time, they were just a 'special' one time thing. I don't recall talk of making them the end all be all only releasable versions. So it was no big deal.

Na, for me, it was the prequels. I let a lot of stuff go due to hype and newness but the more I thought about stuff; the more I hated it. I still refuse to acknowledge this ridiculous fact that Anakin was the one who 'Built C-3PO.' I still get angry thinking about it. I just had a problem with the fact that George Lucas had 15+ years to write and create a cohesive story that continued or built on to the original films and THAT's what he came up with. With the OT, they were just films. made one at a time with no real sequels planned when they were made. So I will forgive some of the changes they made, even though I am not a fan (Luke/Leia being siblings). It was just the time. But he had 15 years after RotJ to craft a full 3 part story. I never believed him when he said what was on screne was somethinghe always had written. I just don't believe it.

But that's what he gave us; people ate it all up and it allowed Disney to do the same damn thing when they made the Sequels. We live in a work post LotR and THAT's what they gave us. But it all started with the Prequels and I felt there were times Lucas was legit trolling us with stuff he put in those films.

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I see math skills are not your specialty. If you saw A New Hope when you were 10 years old, and then saw the special editions in 1997, you would be 30 years old. You wouldn't be 15 years old. And yes, there is a big difference in comprehension skills between a 10 y/o and a 30 y/o

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oh, bless your heart. I guess READING comprehension isn't YOUR specialty...

"I saw A new Hope on Opening Day and it was amazing; LIKE SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME" meaning, I saw it on its opining day in 1997 during the rerelease. Prior to seeing it in 1997, I haven't watched it in years, so I was commenting on the difference between seeing it as a child vs a young adult.

Next time you want to be rude and try and pull a 'gotcha' on someone merely relating a life experience make sure you know what you're actually talking about.

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My mistake

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Star Wars has always been for children. You grew out of the fantasy when you got older. Happens to all of us.
The weapons are called "blasters". Really? The space station owned by the empire is called "The Death Star"? Really?
The mystical religion/energy field that gives the Jedi their powers is simply called "The Force"? Really George?

George Lucus has always had a very rudimentary writing style and imagination, best suited for children.
I mean......"The Death Star"????? LOL

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And what better word or words would you use to rename the Death Star?

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Extreme Laser Planet

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Nope, Death Star is better

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80085 Laser Ball?

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People forget this. It's a Flash Gordon serial with space wizards. Don't forget the extensive sound effects in the vacuum of space. They are wonderful, they are awe-inspiring, they are stupid. But they fit well and make it a great movie/franchise. The entire thing is built on these nonsensical concepts.

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What parts of THX 1138 and American Graffiti were written for children?

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Never.

Not because everything has been great. I enjoyed, but didn't love, many things, but there have always been things I've loved. Kenobi was fabulous, and I really like Andor. It's well done, and I'm really enjoying the ride.

There have absolutely been movies that I may never watch again, but so far, Star Wars has always been able to redeem itself through another project.

Looking forward to The Mandalorian Season 3!

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Pretty much the whole list as per OP.

Although I think the Ewoks were definitely a first sign. The film series was always about selling merchandise but Ewoks was a pitch to the kiddy market.

The prequels and Jar Jar were terrible.

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So you see this saga as a shark jumping steeplechase track.

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Pretty much. Lucas took a pay cut in exchange for a bigger slice of merch sales so it's obvious to me that he always planned to have lots of characters that would make for great toys and collectibles. So with the benefit of hindsight it was doomed from the start.

Even starting the saga from Episode IV rather than the obvious Ep 1 because he thought Ep IV would have a wider appeal.

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I have to say I never believed the bs about episode iv.
There was no episode iv originally.
He didn't have any episode i or v in mind.
It was just such a huge opportunity to build upon the immense success of Star Wars that he went for it.

And ok, he realized having lots of characters for merchandise purposes is a good plan, but that doesn't mean it should conflict with his artistic vision. He could have had it both ways.
If anything, a stronger artistic delivery would mean bigger sales for his products.

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