Kirk got what he deserved


He was being a jackass, and he entered the home without permission. Leatherface could have construed this as breaking and entering. Therefore, it was justifiable homicide.

Never go poking around other folk's property in rural Texas, really bad idea.

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Okay, but Franklin wasn't even in the house. Not exactly justifiable.

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No, but Franklin was very annoying.

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Even if Leatherface wasn't already a cannibalistic psychopath, I'd say Kirk's "justifiable" homicide was a complete overreaction. Not to mention Pam's and Jerry's as well.

Franklin's murder and Sally's kidnapping and assault however would never hold up in court. Not even the most religious right-wing fanatic could defend the Sawyers for that.


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It was meant as a joke, but seriously, its a bad idea to poke around and into people's homes without permission. You can be shot, and the homeowner can get off.

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The early seventies was a different era. People hitchhiked and also would go into houses. People were more open at that time.

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'its a bad idea to poke around and into people's homes without permission.'

The guy at the gas station warned them of exactly that!

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That type of law is on the books in many US States. Its similar to the 'stand your ground' law, under which George Zimmerman murdered Treyvon Martin in 2014, and got away with it.

Texas has the most lenient rules for home defense by property owners.

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FACT: George Zimmerman did not invoke stand your ground in his defense. Prove me wrong.

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That type of law is on the books in many US States. Its similar to the 'stand your ground' law, under which George Zimmerman murdered Treyvon Martin in 2014, and got away with it.

Texas has the most lenient rules for home defense by property owners.

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I live in Texas and that law is still in effect, though a lot of people misconstrue it by thinking we're allowed to shoot/kill someone for simply trespassing on our property. The person has to actually break into the house or be attempting to break in. Only then can you use deadly force.

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Pan told him over and over again to turn back. This was a salutary lesson in what can happen when men don't listen to women.

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He certainly did. Only fools rush in.

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Kirk was wrong, family was more wrong. No, Kirk shouldn't have. But maybe he also thought no one was home, and hey, the door *was* unlocked, so while that doesn't justify him entering, it also indicates the family not being *that* big on security, because if you're that worried about people entering, you're going to always be locking your doors. My guess is Kirk thought he might just leave them a few bucks with a note of explanation and then take a little gas.

And no, you don't want to find an intruder in your home. But if they haven't already shown explicit intent to harm, then after you arm yourself, at least just threaten them into leaving instead of murdering them before they can even explain that they're seeking help.

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Oh yeah? Well what if Leatherface borrowed gas from Kirk’s house and snuck inside to leave a note. Would Kirk be justified if he killed him with a hammer for breaking and entering? Or should he just threaten Leatherface into leaving?

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I'd say threaten into leaving. My point is that while it's definitely not okay to go into someone's home like that, it doesn't justify murdering them. The only real reason to harm someone is self-defense. So yeah if the robber is clearly willing to hurt you, then put that mf down. But if their only intent was to seek help/gas, or even if it was robbery but now they're willing to leave without hurting you, do you really want the memory of killing someone being in your head forever? Wouldn't you rather just get them out of your house and then call the cops?

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You had better forget those rules if Leatherface breaks into your house. 😄

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Well obviously when I see the chainsaw my fight or flight instinct will kick in

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Did it get you more angry or grossed out when Kirk put that yellow tooth into Pam's hand?

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