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Episodes that are difficult to watch


I’m not referring to the ones that have, shall we say, dubious entertainment value (like The Swedish Tiger). I mean the episodes in which the characters behave badly, or a difficult point in history is revealed.

For example, one of my choices would be A Special Mischief. Of all the Elizabeth episodes, this one really makes me dislike her. She bullies Rose into joining her by threatening Rose's job. She behaves like a coward—telling Edward & Ruby not to say a word to anyone *and* going to Julius to get her out of the mess she’s gotten herself into (how could she possibly explain to her parents-or Sir Geoffrey-the reason for Rose being in prison?).

And then at the end: Elizabeth knows that Rose has been utterly humiliated by her prison experience, yet when Rose asks Elizabeth to never do anything like that again, Elizabeth hesitates.

It’s a well done yet difficult episode for me to watch because of the prison scenes and because Elizabeth never truly learns to appreciate Rose, in the manner she deserved.

Comments? Which episode would you choose?

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I have to agree with you, the way Elizabeth acted when Rose was sent to prison was appalling.

Hudson in 3.1 where he over reacted to Hazel eating and drinking wine. That bothered me quite a bit.

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I'm only on Season 3 so besides A Special Mischief, The Bolter was hard for me to watch.

The callous way Diana treated Hazel - to a point of actually putting her life in danger - infuriated me.

Not to mention James' insistence that Hazel did not join the hunt and his horribly rotten reaction to Hazel almost killing herself as a result of Diana's deception.

Then at the end how they laugh it off and forgive and forget.

Great episode but hard to stomach the character's behavior.

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It always bothered me that Bunny was more concerned for Hazel's safety than James.



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Right? I almost thought that he and Hazel would hook up - in fact, I was kind of rooting for it.

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Difficult to watch: The over-the-top episode in which Alfred, practically drooling with depravity, takes Edward hostage. It was the cheesiest of them all and didn't do anything to advance the story.

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Episodes difficult for me to watch:

Miss Roberts after the Titanic. Richard and James expressed no concern for her at all, James asking "What will you do with her?" like she's an unwanted dog, and Richard replying "I suppose this is the only home she has." Absolutely no compassion, maybe even blaming her for not saving Marjorie. In the episode after that, Rose mentions that Miss Roberts has been "put away" and that's it.

Hazel and James going to the Newburys' for the weekend. Hazel sitting there with her tea and being totally ignored; no one making an effort to befriend her (except for that nasty Corky). Then James kissing Diana in the game of Charades and that look on Hazel's face! Diana deliberately giving Hazel an unmanageable horse -- how malicious and cruel! I really liked Bunny and felt sorry for him being married to such a bitch.

Any episode where Hazel won't stand up for herself against James. She should have taken a cast iron skillet and whomped him upside the head!

Hazel's mistakes, such as addressing Hudson as "Mr. Hudson." Seems like even a middle class person would know he was simply "Hudson" to all but the servants, and Hazel wasn't a servant.

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To mitigate Richard and James' behavior toward Miss Roberts, remember they were still in shock over Marjorie's death. Having her ladies' maid show up out of the blue was a twist of the knife. Poor Miss Roberts probably spent the rest of her days in an asylum, when it's likely enough that once she got over her own shock and grief she could have functioned pretty well on her own. But in those days it was difficult if not impossible to get out once you'd been committed to an institution.

I guess Hazel's mistake calling Hudson "Mr." was from her own intimidation. But you're right, she ought to have known not to.

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I guess Hazel's mistake calling Hudson "Mr." was from her own intimidation. But you're right, she ought to have known not to.


jd, I would NEVER call anything you say here into question, but I find this very interesting. I would have thought just the opposite - that a middle class person like Hazel, addressing "Mr" Hudson as she did, was the correct and proper thing to do. Hazel calls him "Mr." Hudson several times and he never corrects her, UNTIL she has proven her mettle, treating Roberts as humanely as she did. That Hudson's correcting her in the aftermath was a display of respect and acceptance on his part and the rest of the staff.

This truly is the board that keeps on giving.


The devil turns away from a closed door.

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"That Hudson's correcting her in the aftermath was a display of respect and acceptance on his part and the rest of the staff."

I think that's the reason I was always so disappointed with the way the writers decided to take Hazel and Hudson's relationship. He finally accepts her in this episode, but then, it all falls apart as if this scene never took place. I could understand if they still had difficulties, but Hudson comes to absolutely despise Hazel, with the one exception being Word of Honour...


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tiderolls remember Hudson reminds the staff that "Miss Forrest" comes from reliable, hard working middle-class stock and that he, personally, would never question her respectability. So, in her context as Richard's secretary/housekeeper, he has come to admire her. But, as mistress of the house? That's quite a different animal, and one, I would agree, he never comes to accept and where his admiration turns to cool disdain.

Hope you've been well, by the way.

The devil turns away from a closed door.

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Hi GG, I just now saw your post, overlooked it yesterday for some reason. My theory (and it's just that, a theory) is that a middle class woman in Edwardian Britain would know that a male servant isn't addressed as Mr. She would have been accustomed to dealing with servants, though not in the numbers she encountered at 165. Hudson was likely the first butler Hazel had ever dealt with, but she would have read about them, seen them in plays, and otherwise have heard enough about them to know how to address them.

Of course it would be different actually coming face to face with one for the first time, and I don't blame her for feeling a bit intimidated.

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The ones I find hard to watch:

Board Wages, because of the cruelty on display.

The Key of the Door, because of the broad-brush, over-the-top depiction of most of the Fabians. (Evelyn an exception - what a great job Georgia Brown did!)

A Special Mischief, for all the reasons everyone's already delineated so well!

A Place in the World; James is so hopelessly doomed to never find his own footing, and it's painful to see him try.





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I've only recently discovered this show on Netflix, and am about half way through it.

To me, the two episodes that were hardest to watch were definitely A Special Mischief (an episode that confirmed my already low opinion of Elizabeth and made me despise her for her ignorant, selfish, petty delusions), and the episode (I forget the name) in which Elizabeth attacks Rose in a terrible way, telling her she'll never marry, etc. It was hard to watch poor, loyal Rose be abused in such a cruel, cutting way.

Another one that was hard to watch was the episode where Rose becomes a bus conductorette. It's not that she did the job; gotta admire her sand for that. It's that she basically stole the job from Daisy. Daisy found the job, and Rose upbraided her about doing her duty to the family, etc., telling her not to take the job because her first loyalty should be to the Bellamys. Then she rushes out and gets the job. When Daisy called her on it, saying the stole the job from her, Rose's only response was "so what if I did?" VERY out of character for Rose, and just plain uncomfortable to watch.



Here's to the health of Cardinal Puff.

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James' treatment of the servants, humiliating them and forcing them to get drunk is sadistic and difficult to watch.

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What you are saying is quite valid, except that Elizabeth does not threaten to "sack" rose if she does not join her, but if she says anything. Rose tries to prevent Elizabeth from taking part, and accidentally gets arrested. Elizabeth does try to intervene for rose and get her out of jail by dressing and playing the part of a damsel in distress by going to Julius Karakan, a social climbing ner do well, who only bails elizabeth out, because of who her family is. Rose says, "It weren't right! whatever it was for, it wern't right!" Elizabeth a suffragist, actually behaves the much of the aristocracy did at that time. elizabth actually shows the changes made in pre WWI England in the area of women's rights, and rights for the poor, by the younger female aristocrats. Elizabeth is caught between two worlds, one in which she lives, and one in which she is trying to create. Her mother's world of Aristocracy, and her fathers world of a rising middle class (Richard Bellmay was the son of a prominent country minister, Mr Bellamy did well academically, got a scholarship to Oxford college, followed by a job in the foriegn service) As someone who lived in england, a bit of an anglophile, journalist, and genealogist, I can tell you that the character elizabeth Bellamy although now always likeable, is more historically correct and realistic than the character of Lady Mary on downton Abby. What you refer to as behaving badly is simply a portrayal of accepted attitudes during a particular era. Elizabeth becomes so disgusted with these attitudes that she moves to America, where this is less of a class structure. This is what many Well to do British women with progressive views did within the first 20 years of the 20th century. Likewise, many American female heiresses married struggling titled male aristocrats, so that these men could have funds to keep their country estates, and in exchange some American millionaire married his daughter, so she could gain a title and her father could move from business to politics. Lady Cora Grantham on downton Abby is an American heiress who married Lord Grantham (Lady mary's father) as he was about to lose his estate. in real life, this happened within the Kennedy family. President Kennedy's favorite sister Kathleen (Kit) married a British lord. Ethel Kennedy actually disowned her daughter for marrying man who was not only protestant but British. Kathleen Kennedy died iforn a plane crash during the 1920s. Elizabeth does appreciate rose, which is why in "For love of love," when rose visits her, she insists that rose not call her miss Elizabeth, but elizabeth, because that is what friends do. Rose replies, "I am not your friend, i am you parents head house parlour maid." elizabeth was trying to break out of the mold of rich girl, and move into the role of a woman who fought for equal rights. "Rose you do want the world change. you want it to change from a world that says it is against the law to be poor. she is not that different from the spoiled rich girls of the 1970, like patty hearst, who referred to her parents as rich facist pigs. Again your observations are valid, but historically incorrect.
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I believe I might choose "Good Will to All Men". Series 3, Episode 9. I get agitated at Georgina's frantic need to push Daisy into doing something she patently feels is going to backfire big time. Which it does. As Daisy's mother comes across initially as almost comatose and her "man" is blatantly some sort of Neanderthal. Frankly, Georgina just needs a 'time-out' once a day, everyday!



"What's wrong with a little good, clean violence?"

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When Sarah learns she is going to Southwold to await the birth of her child. Realizing that James is out of her life forever. "Tell me that what they're asking me to do is right!"

The episode where James and Virginia go missing after taking off in his airplane. Hours of waiting, Lady Prudence sitting up all night with Richard, him half-wondering if his son and wife have run off together.

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