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56 years later, this movie is quite dated


That's to be expected. But it was also soooo slow.

When I watched it recently, I wondered if there was something wrong when the first 8 or 9 minutes is just a blank screen with some kind of ethereal music in the background. Then in the middle, they cut to a ten-minute intermission. An intermission in a movie that is 2-1/2 hours long? C'mon. Then the kaleidoscope of images as Daves is descending toward Jupiter, or maybe an alternate universe. Not sure how long it lasted, because I fast-forwarded past it. But my guess is 8 or 9 minutes. And other instances I won't even go into. It could have been an hour shorter, IMO. I know that won't please the fans of it, but to each his own.

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I don't think it's dated - I've had similar complaints since the movie came out (well, since I first saw it about 1973 give or take). True, the youngest generation doesn't like intelligent dialog - they want explosions, crashes, crazy stunts, and CGI up the ying yang. Screw them.

Getting back to 2001, I am what I freely admit to be a "lazy" movie watcher - I don't need to be spoon fed but I don't want to have to watch a movie and debate for years about the meaning like one would do with Shakespeare. The psychedelic ending? Someone here on MC explained it and others say if I had read the book (I haven't) I would have understood it, but I don't think reading the book should be a prerequisite for watching a film.

Forgetting all of that, this is still one of my favorite movies - top ten actually.

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You're right. Reading the novel shouldn't be required. Clark's book isn't a novelization. It's his own version of the story.

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It was, is and will always be a masterpiece based on Arthur Clarke's top-notch novel.

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Which novel?

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It isn't based on Clarke's novel. It's almost the other way around. Clarke wrote the novel along with Kubrick as Kubrick was making the film, so while it isn't exactly a novelization of the film, it's closer to that than it is to being an original work.

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You're absolutely right, Filmbuff, and I'm glad you pointed this out. The only thing I would add is that when Kubrick approached Clarke about writing the novel concurrent with the film, Clarke expanded upon the theme of a short story, The Sentinel, that he wrote in the 1950's. In The Sentinel, man makes a discovery that serves as an 'alarm clock' to the higher-order extra terrestrials that placed the item-to-be-discovered there in the first place. This told the ET's that man had evolved to the point where they were sophisticated enough to comprehend the heightened knowledge these higher-order beings could tech them.

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I can understand that you think the movie is sloooow (I love the movie, but cannot deny this!) and of course it's dated. What movie from 50 years ago isn't? But your complaints about the blank screen at the beginning and the intermission aren't really relevant to the film itself. These are just characteristics of how movies were presented in cinemas, especially roadshow releases. The music at the start would have been playing in the theatre while the curtain was still closed and people were taking their seats. If you were to watch 2001 on TV or early VHS releases, it wouldn't have had these extra components. These were added back into later video and DVD releases when people demanded the complete cinema experience, even though you don't need an overture while when sitting on your sofa waiting for the movie to start and you don't need an intermission when you can just press the pause button.

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The cinema experience? Sounds ... pointless
Has any other DVD ever tried that?
perhaps they could have annoying popcorn rustling and silhouettes of people having toilet breaks

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Has any other DVD ever tried that?

Yes! https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=96249

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Thats quite a list!
Dancer In The Dark (2000): Overture
2001 A Space Odyssey (1968): Overture, Intermission, Entracte, Exit Music

Whats an overture in this context ?
does have to be at the beginning ?

I utubed "2001 overture" thinkking i might hear that Blue Danube bit , but apparently its the Dum! Dum!Dum! Dum!Dum! Dum!Dum! Dum! bit at the begining

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I assume the Dum Dum Dum music you're referring to is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ik3QSTqZ4

The overture music is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTp0VEATYk

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Yes , I wasnt "dissing" the dum dum dum music , its a fantastic theme , just identifying it

re the second link:
Crikey , thats not what I would call an "overture" by any definition of the word I understood previously.

I would call it ambient music or indeed as the youtube title does - "Atmosphere"
Is this the "ten minutes of black screen at the start" I heard about earlier in the thread ?

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Yes it would have been playing before the movie started during its roadshow releases, hence the black screen (as nothing would have been projected in the theatre). The piece is called Atmosphères by Hungarian composer György Ligeti.

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It's far from pointless, and it was somewhat common in the past. Just as an opera has an overture, and a break between acts, so to did longer and more prestigious films. I've seen 2001 in a theater twice, once in the '90s and once a few weeks ago, and both times they started with the overture. The lights go down, the curtains remain closed, and about 3 minutes of music plays. Then the curtains open and the film begins. It's an effective way to build up a film, just as the intermission is a great way to provide a clean break between the film's two major acts.

I watched Lawrence of Arabia recently as well. Coincidentally, as with 2001, I'd only seen it once before, in a theater, and saw it again this past summer at a nearby theater. On both occasions the film was shown with its overture and intermission, as well as the entr'acte music, which is the overture music again to lead into the second act, after the intermission, and the exit music. As with 2001, it lends a gravitas to the film, and provides a much more fulfilling and complete experience.

Finally, I also had the chance to see Seven Samurai this past summer. It was a great summer for seeing epic classics apparently! While that has no overture, it does have an intermission, and as with the other two films it serves to reset things and provide a necessary thematic break between acts.

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In the Cinema sure , all that stuffs great .
I meant it seems a bit redundant at home on DVD , especially the intermission bit given the availability of the pause button , as someone pointed out

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Of course it's redundant on DVD... These things simply remain as artifacts or reminders of what the film originally was. And, if you don't want them, you just skip over them.

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I'm an avid collector of films on Blu-ray and DVD, and always opt for whichever release is closest to the original theatrical presentation of the film.

For example, I have the Grindhouse Blu-ray release of the Star Wars trilogy, and despite Empire having a magenta hue (apparently blue and yellow fades faster from film, which is why so many old films look pink), I'd rather watch that than the altered modern versions.

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I can see that, but there are many who try to recreate the cinema experience at home, and having the full presentation on disc gives an easier way to achieve that.

Semi-related: I'm seeing Megalopolis tomorrow night. I've read that there is a moment in the film when a character onscreen speaks to the audience, and at the film festivals and premiere shows, a hired actor was placed in the audience to carry on a conversation. I don't expect that to be a part of all theatrical shows, but I wonder if that is something that will somehow be approximated on physical releases down the line.

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that sounds cool : )

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Well said Sir and completely correct.

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Kubrick intended a mostly visual story. A contemplative one. He wanted the viewer to wonder. Jan Harlan calls it a story about the unknowable.

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I'm the OP of this post and agree that Kubrick was a genius. Sometimes. In contrast to 2001 and its slowness, I give you Paths of Glory, his masterpiece that came in at a thrifty 1-1/2 hours and was rated 8.4 on IMDB.

As I said, to each his own.

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The roadshow movie format was the only way to watch movies compared to the Crappaplex system they use hew.

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" Crappaplex system they use hew."

what?

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"Now" body auto correct on my tablet.

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and Crappaplex = multiplex?

I'm only just learning wht this "roadshow" format is .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadshow_theatrical_release

does this mean it cant be done in a "multiplex" cinema because the screens are too small ?

Or am i barking wrong tree and crappaplex is some sort of sound encoding tech or something?

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Crappaplex is a term given to modern movie complexes with multiple theaters that just shove you in and out like a supermarket. Gone are the days when movies were presented now it's just a big TV screen with ads.

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got it 👍

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Some are pretty crappy, but many are quite nice. The Cinemark near me has several large rooms, one of which is equipped to show 70mm prints. I saw Oppenheimer and Lawrence of Arabia on 70mm there, a 35mm print of North by Northwest, and some other great stuff in that room.

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You're lucky. Where I live there are no theaters that can run film it's all digital now. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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Obviously you are alluding to the DVD/Blu-Ray version which uses the original cut from it`s 1968 release.Both the "Ethereal" music and the intermission were part of the whole viewing experience for the cinema,even during it`s re-release here in the UK in 1984 plus every other year it was shown,the beginning music-i`ll let you work it out-and the intermission-were both left in just the way Stanley Kubrick wanted them to be.I normally watch the DVD at least once a month and i can tell you that the into music before the actual titles lasts only a couple of minutes,the intermission section was designed so that-along with many other films that had intermissions,people could go to the toilet/get an ice cream etc.This was in the cinema about 10 minutes,on the DVD it`s been reduced to about 2/3 minutes-or less-i`ve never actually timed it....Obviously the "Star Gate" sequence was lost on you-maybe a book explaining it would be better suited.

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Total failure at predicting the future. Humans will never get close to Jupiter in person.

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"In science fiction anything is possible."

Leonard Nimoy

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