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Please show me why this isn't a despicable film


First I ask simply, what is the purpose of making this film? What is the lesson? Do characters grow from their experiences? Is there a moral message behind the film? These are not rhetorical questions - I would like to know your opinion.

In the Lincoln Lawyer, for example, we are shown a defense attorney who comes to the realization that his client is a murderer of willful intent. He is given ample reason to want to make the right decision, including the threats made by his client, and the apparent murder of his colleague. He is given a chance to make things right, both with his past client (who was wrongly-accused) and by putting his current client in prison for murder. And he takes that chance through a series of clever actions.

In Anatomy of a Murder, the defense attorney knows immediately that the defendant is guilty of murder with willful intent. Knowing fully that the defendant is guilty, and *before* even accepting the defendant as his client, the defense attorney gives the defendant a variety of resources and defenses to win his case. Why? And when told that he might not even get paid for his work, he still decides to take on the case. In his own words, "I think I'll just stay with you, to make damned sure you get off." Why? What is in it for him?

People often make the argument that, "he is just doing his job", but it was not his job to take on the case, or to help the defendant *before* accepting him as a client, or to do the job even on risk of not being paid, just to "make damned sure" the murderer is set free.

Why was Jimmy Stewart chosen for this film? He is shown acting deplorably, with no recognition whatsoever that his choices are wrong. What was the purpose of using his loveable character? To persuade through emotional appeal that his actions are good? To show the audience how easily they can be won over by emotion alone?

Some additional points:

* No chance for him to vindicate his past actions is provided by the plot. The conflict between his character and his actions is never resolved, and appears to have been purposely left unresolved, or even unacknowledged, as if to assume that there are no negative emotional consequences to bad actions - i.e., asserting a mind-body dichotomy.

* No examination is given of why he went from being a prosecutor to defense attorney, and how that has impacted him. Any such examination would have presented a contradiction between the loveable character and his choices - a conflict which would have demanded resolution through character development or final vindication.

* We are never clear on why exactly he proceeded with the case. He accepts the case just to "make damned sure" the murderer was set free, and he makes occasional reference to the legal fees, as if he is only in it for the money. Is this a demonstration that lawyers are greedy or selfish? If so, then why is it in his self-interest to set loose an extremely jealous, violent murderer, whose wife has made multiple passes at him. At the end of the film he is shown happily choosing to meet up with the murderer and his wife, knowing that the husband had witnessed his wife make passes at him. How is that a wise choice, if he is just being greedy and selfish?

* At the end, the lawyer is presented with clear evidence that the murderer never believed he was acting based on "irresistible impulse", by using the term jokingly. How does the lawyer react? By laughing it off.

* Even the title makes no sense, as nobody in the film is interested in examining the murder itself. Nobody is interested in the truth. What actually happened doesn't matter to them - all that matters is that people believe what they claim happened.

I'll ask my original questions again: what is the purpose of making this film? What is the lesson? Do characters grow from their experiences? Is there a moral message behind the film?

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Here's my story. At different times over the years I saw parts of this movie on TV, but was never possible at the time for me to watch the whole thing. I always thought from what I saw it looked great. I kept telling myself one of these days I've got to watch the whole movie.

Well, now that I have finally seen it from start to finish on DVD, I have to say it left me mildly disappointed. Don't get me wrong. I still found it entertaining and it easily held my interest. But at the end it was somewhat less than I hoped it would be.

I understand all the arguments in favor of this being a great movie, and I agree with most of it. But where it failed for me was in the final outcome. It's not just that I found the verdict morally unpalatable. But I didn't feel a convincing case had been made for reaching that verdict. I mean, the guy admits he committed the murder. But gets off completely because, as we're meant to believe, he was temporarily insane. I simply didn't buy it. I didn't feel that the courtroom arguments led to that conclusion. Had I been a juror I would have voted for guilt.

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But most jurors are going to be sympathetic to the defendant, as long as they believe the rape did occur. So as the Stewart character says early on, as long as he can find a legal rationale as a "peg" to hang their "not guilty" verdict on, they will be inclined to take it. So once he did indeed find that peg (the precedent from the law books about an "irresistible impulse"), and even got an Army psychiatrist to testify to it, the jury didn't take a lot of convincing. They didn't need to be convinced of temporary insanity in the same way they would if the defendant was being tried for killing a helpless innocent like a child or an old lady minding her own business knitting in front of the TV.

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Excellent points. It hadn't occurred to me to think of it that way. I will keep that in mind if I ever watch it again. Thank you.

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You're very welcome :)

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It's very entertaining movie. The script was great. The directing fabulous. All the actors did incredible job acting, especially Lee Remick, Jimmy Stewart and George C Scott.

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What I got from the movie is the definition of truth and who gets to do that in the court of law. From the testimonies, we only get from the witnesses' perception of the truth along with their opinions on the events that happened and the lawyers fight over whose more relevant. There are different sides to the story that everybody would either agree or disagree based on their life experiences and moral judgment. What I believe: I believe that the wife was sexually assaulted, but I do find the defense of temporary insanity to be a bullsh*t defense given the husband's mental history. At the very least, he should be charged with manslaughter.

In the end, I love this movie. Admittingly, I'm a bit of a sucker for courtroom dramas, but this played with reality in near flawless form that I felt other courtroom movies severally lack that I welcomed this with open arms. With given time, this could potentially be one of my all time favorite movies.

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The title of the film is "Anatomy of a Murder," and for those who do not understand the law it can be difficult to dissect many of the implications in this movie. To begin with, the law is supposed to act as an umbrella, which means that it protects everyone under the protection of the umbrella. So when a person is not read their Miranda Rights, for example, it protects everyone from being held responsible for utterances made before they have become aware they are being charged with a crime. It protects good people and it protects bad people. You can't protect the good people without also protecting the bad people.

The woman in the film comes off as a bit of a sleazy or loose girl, she is protected by the law. Just because she is slutty is no reason for the perpetrator to get away with a crime. We know from the fact that Barney Quill's daughter found those panties, with that label, torn up and sent down the laundry chute from their specific area of the hotel, that Barney did rape her. Thats the "aha" moment of the film - when we realize from the fact of the panties that as much as we may not really like Lee Remick's character, she was raped by Quill.

We don't like her because she is so over the top and inappropriate, so we are left wondering whether she was really raped throughout the entire 2:40 film - but in the end it turns out she was telling the truth.

Her husband comes off as cocky and having a very short fuse with his temper. Because he seems like he is either looking like the cat that ate the rat or like he is about to jump up and punch someone through the nose, we the viewers feel very anxious about him. But if you were a young soldier in the 50s and you had a beautiful, sexy, inappropriate wife who had just been raped, you would be trying to put a brave face on it, you would be smirking with hate for the man who raped your wife, and you would be incredibly angry. Whatever is below the surface of that anger and the smirk is impossible to say.

The fact that the lawyer used to be a prosecutor means that he is very wily. He knows the ins and outs of the legal system in that area. His pal is an alcoholic and they are not doing so well with getting cases and paying their bills. They aren't perfect people, but they are good people. James Stewart took the case on a hunch and he did telegraph to the defendant that he needed to give testimony toward an insanity case. But the bottom line is whether you believe it was wrong of the defendant to shoot Barney Quill for raping his wife.

I believe the grand point of the film is that we have an imperfect man and his imperfect wife. They're probably from the wrong side of the tracks and they have done some stupid things, but do they deserve justice? Is justice always perfect? No, as a matter of fact, it is not. The wife, although imperfect, deserved for something to happen to Quill. He had just brutalized her, whether we liked her or not, and she deserved justice. The young husband, whether we liked him or not, was also traumatized by what happened and he deserved justice that he probably was not going to get. And the defense team were also imperfect - just like the law is imperfect - and they fought and clawed their way through that trial until they came out with a not guilty verdict for their client. Even though we didn't like the clients or even the defense team, the defense team had done their job.

Jimmy Stewart was perfect for this role as a country lawyer who defends someone based on a snap decision about the client's veracity. He does pull out every trick in the book to get his client acquitted, and we are supposed to like him in spite of his flaws. Another actor would not have fit the bill. Arthur O'Connell was also perfect in his role as the alcoholic who never passed his bar exam and winds up floating in a bottle. He is flawed, but likable. He is a kind man.

There was a rough justice realized in the film. Its also a film that needs to be viewed through the lens of the era in which it was created. It was a huge shock when it was revealed Barney Quill never married his daughter's mother, for example. I still think it was a magnificent film and I love all of the main actors.

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Maybe a poster has said it all prior to me, but here's my two cents:
- I don't think every movie is necessarily supposed to have a very deep moral message or a lesson to follow. Some may be just for entertainement or esthetical value.
- This being said, I think you may find some clue about AOAM's moral compass in James Stewart's tirade to the brunette girl near the end. I don't remember the exact words but it's something like: "Nobody's completely good or completely bad. I believe everyone's a little bit of both".
- In AOAM, you find a good illustration of that. Paul Biegler is both a nice man, who likes simple pleasures like fishing, a good friend, a shy bachelor, and a somewhat sleazy lawyer. Maybe he's bitter about not having been releected as DA. Maybe he just needs the money his client can give him (we see in the movie he's not able to pay his faithful secretary anymore). The old counsellor is both an erudite, friendly man and a drunk. Laura can be seen as a likeable and spontaneous young woman, or a provocative, thougtless flirt. Is the lieutenant a cold-blooded murderer or a man possessed by the love he has for his wife ? It all comes to Barney Quill, the rapist, being described as a considerate and serious father. So, in all of its aspects, the film is both light and shadows.
- The ending is indeed kind of a cynical one. The lawyer's been wronged and lied to, by someone he has taught to become a convincing liar. Yet, he doesn't seem to care that much and concentrates on the future. I would still note there has been a upbeat change of some sort for the James Stewart and Arthur O'Connell characters: they both have jobs back. And the latter one has stopped drinking. They even have a partnership. So, if the story does not end on a specially virtuous tone, it still shows the 'heroes' in a better light than when it all started.

Finally, let's not forget this movie was written and shot in a no-censhorship perspective. It was meant to shock and disturb, and not merely by its language.


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I think the moral message is immorality, no? The whole thing is a game. Anatomy of a Courtroom might be a better title, but that isn't quite as snappy.

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This was definitely not a despicable film. If anything, it was a huge eye opener about how trials and the legal system works.

Before this and similar courtroom dramas, a lot of people probably had this very naive, unrealistic view of the legal system being completely infallible, that it was all about justice and establishing morality.

Anatomy of a Murder was one of a few films during the late 1950s (Witness for the Prosecution, 12 Angry Men) that tried exposing how cynical the legal system really was. It wasn't so much about justice or morality at all, the film said, but about arguing your case the best, regardless of whether justice was actually served. In the film's case, Manion gets away with murder, not because he wasn't guilty but because his lawyer did a better job at injecting doubt about his guilty than the defense attorney did in establishing it. '

To us today this may not seem like much, but back then Anatomy of a Murder was mind blowing, because for the first time it showed in stark, cynical detail the reality of the way the legal system worked. No, it's not always about justice. If anything, it's all about theatrics and using various argumentative tactics to win the jury over.

You have to understand why these types of films were being made. They were most likely a response to the McCarthy hearings of the 1950s, where people were basically treating McCarthy and his trials as if they were beyond question. It was films like Witness for the Prosecution and Anatomy that showed that justice didn't work the way everyone thought it did and made them more cynical about trials in general. The idea, I guess, was to make the American public cynical enough so that we would never be guilty of another wave of witch hunting trials like we had in the 1950s.

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