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Jefferson Smith: liberal or conservative



I'm curious as to this board's perception of Jefferson Smith's political ideology?

Is he a liberal or conservative, IYO?

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American

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I would hope that both sides of the political spectrum would hold the positive ideals presented by Jefferson Smith in the film with the highest regard as I believe, as the previous poster mentioned, they are American, plain and simple.

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I think most people hope that, and this film's a great reminder. The reality is, however, that too often one of the sides considers the ideals we both consider "American, plain and simple" to be old-fashioned and deserving of replacement, or, as someone in a high place (and his wife) recently said, to be "transformed" -- into a very different kind of ideal.

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I missed the first few minutes of it on AMC today, and regret never having seen it until now. My take is that while he did not have a set ideology as we classify them today, his reading of the Constitution and the writing on the memorial, and his keen interest in communicating with his constituents despite "spin" would indicate a conservative vs. progressive ideology to me. We could use more like this in the Congress instead of focusing on the (D) or (R) as the only way to do business. I sure saw a lot of parallels between now & then in the movie.

I'm an English fan.

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Jefferson Smith, were he a real person in the Senate today, would be a TEA Party man. Where he sat in the film (to the left of the center aisle as you face the well of the Senate) makes him a member of the Democratic Party. But that citizen's committee we saw in the beginning is what a TEA Party, or a "Town Hall," would have looked like back then.

And furthermore, <i>Boys' Stuff</i> is a type of the alternative media. The difference is that today the Jim Taylor equivalent cannot sack the press, steal every copy, or run little kids off the road--yet--the way they did in this film.

His brief, first and last, would be for the Constitution. And I have to wonder whether, after succeeding in staying in the Senate and knocking out the Willett Dam, he would have planted the seed for raising the consciousness of a country, and proceeding against *all other* Willett Dam-style proposals that I'm sure that that "Deficiency Bill" contained.

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Well, it's not really important because he's supposed to represent the last good American man in politics. But he seems definitely more progressive than conservative, especially his bit on helping the poor and minorities, his stance on equality and welfare. Of course, a liberal now and a liberal back then are two different things.

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That's the problem we're facing as Americans right now, is we're all worried about whose liberal (Democrat) and whose conservative (Republican). Smith displayed some tendencies that may have placed him more to the left and then he displayed some tendencies that placed him more to the right. In the end, it didn't matter because he was taking on members of both parties for the truth and was willing to pay the price for it.

Why can't we have any leaders in Washington like that now?

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"Why can't we have any leaders in Washington like that now?"

We can, starting with the November 2010 elections, or as soon as next week in the NY 23rd House District. That race is the poster child for why Republican does not equal conservative in 2009.

I'm an English fan.

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Doug Hoffman does not a Mr. Smith make.

In short order Mr. Smith can't be a Democrat because he isn't spineless, and can't be a Republican because he showed an interest in getting informed about policy...I guess that'd make him Bernie Sanders!

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Independent.

He does not fall into any Republican or Democrat (or other) pigeon-holes, either then or now - nor does he allow himself to be pigeon-holed. (And by "Independent" I do not mean any political party with the same or similar name.)

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He can't be a teabagger because his Willet Creek project screams of "indoctrinating children in re-education camps." And the kids are paying for it by pooling their money, so that's socialism. Why not have each kid pay his own way?

And just where is Jeff Smith's birth certificate? Did we ever find out?

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And to you Mr DarkPegasus:
There is no such thing as a teabagger. That term offends me and millions of others who despise the word. The term is and was used only by liberals to make fun of the true Tea Party movement. They are afraid of Americans that would stand against the tyranny of our president and government of today.
Of course, I do not believe you or any other lib will ever understand that,
'We The People' have had enough!

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The tea party movement is a bunch of angry white people crying about taxes. Your movement is not important, nor is it at all noble.


Our president is also not tyrannical. I'm not a big Obama fan but I find the tea party movement and the general ignorance and mean spirited, fear mongering nature of the movement, frankly quite embarassing for our country.

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Anybody who really thinks that about the Tea Party obviously doesn't know anything that goes on there besides the leftist stereotypes. But then again, I am sure they thought the thing about the original when it happened. As for general ignorance, mean spiritedness, and fear mongering, if you wanna see that, don't look to the Tea Parties, just look to any liberal politician running for office and you'll find it.



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By referring to "the original" I assume you're trying to connect today's tea baggers to the Boston Tea Party. The problem is that the BTP was protesting taxation without represetation. Today you have representation, in the Senate, in the House, and in your state legislature. Any attempt to connect today's tea baggers to the patriots who founded our country is an outright lie.

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I live in DC and I went to a Tea Party rally and, yep, it was a bunch of old white people complaining about how Obama is a socialist tyrant and how their rights are being taken away - just spouting off random blanket statements without any facts to back them up. They're entitled narcissists who take out the resulting frustration on anybody who does not politically align with them, and they do it under the false guise of some sort of righteous 'American' ideology. It's really sad how ignorant people can be.

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More lies from a tea bagger. At the original rallies that started this putrefactive movement, tea bags were constantly on display, and the ralliers were calling themselves tea baggers. It was only after people started laughing at them that these new neo-fascists looked up "tea bagger" on the internet, and started calling themselves the tea party. Your objection to being labeled a "tea bagger" is badly misplaced, since it is clear that the goal of your movement is to "tea bag" the entire country.

I also want to emphasize that referring to "tyranny" by our current president is ridiculous; the previous administration constantly ignored the Constitution in ways that this president has not. No matter what name you call him, it is too pathetically obvious what your real objection to him is. And one more time, I am just as much a part of "We the People" as you are. Probably moreso, since I know and support ALL of the Constitution, not just the second amendment.

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Frank Capra was a devout Republican and anti-communist in his personal life. I don't think it's particularly relevant to the principles or enjoyment of the film though.

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Yes but this film was pre-red scare, pre-FDR New Deal too, pre-civil rights, pre-modern politics.

I would put Smiths ideological breakdown as a moderate, new deal, populist. This would be closer to some of the more populist independents of the current style government, Bernie Sanders of VT, Dennis Kusinich or Ron Paul come to mind.

This is the opposite of the big government corporate types that are embodied by the power structure of both parties... and joe leberman.

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First off, this film is from 1939. FDR's New Deal programs were enacted in his first term and few programs were put into place after 1936, so in other words you are wrong. Also Bernie Sanders is nothing close to a moderate. He is a self described Socialist Democrat but only is listed as an independent because he is outside the democratic party lines. Dennis Kucinich is a democrat not an independent and Ron Paul is essentially a Republican and has a very conservative voting record. So the fact that you cited Jefferson Smith as close to both a far-left Socialist, a very liberal Democrat, and a far-right Republican does not make much sense. In the end stop trying to figure out where he would stand. He is a character not a real political figure. He stands for righteousness not corruption, which in my opinion would be equally shared by any truly good politician (although it seems not many exist). His party affiliation is not important but rather his message.

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I agree with you, Thalog482, that Frank Capra's party affiliation probably isn't terribly relevant. He was a Republican, no doubt about it. But Republicans in the 1930s were different than Republicans now. There were a lot more progressive Republicans with genuinely populist sympathies and pro-Civil Rights views in the 1930s than there are today. And I think Frank Capra was one of those. True, he was an anticommunist, but that was mainly in the 1950s (at a time in American History when most people - liberal and conservative - were anticommunist). Moreover, most of Capra's screenwriters were either hardcore New Dealers (Robert Riskin, who wrote most of Capra's screenplays, was a devout FDR backer) or even further to the left (Sid Buchman was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party and he wrote the screenplay Mr. Smith Goes to Washington). Capra also spoke out against Buchman being blacklisted in the 1950s. For an excellent documentary, see Frank Capra's American Dream, which is included in the wonderful box set of his 1930s films released a few years back. I have the set and love it. It also comes with a beautiful booklet.

I'm not sure how meaningful it is to debate about whether Jeff Smith would be a Democrat, Republican or Independent. Each of us sees what we want to see in him. Pro-Tea Party people see him as a little guy standing up against entrenched Washington elites, so Mr. Smith becomes sort of a Depression Era version of Sarah Palin in their eyes, fighting the Good Fight against Obama-type liberals. By contrast, liberals and lefties see Mr. Smith as a rebel, fighting a hopeless battle against a corporate fat cat (James Taylor, who is depicted as a powerful capitalist in the film). Independents see that Mr. Smith stood alone - without backing from either party - to fight for his beliefs. So everybody sees what they want, which speaks to the enduring power of the film.

By the way, this is my favorite film ever made! :)

I don't know whether Jeff Smith was a Republican or Democrat. I do know one thing: He was a decent man and we need more people with his courage, goodness and integrity in politics today...

"You can dish it out, but you got so you can't take it no more." - Caesar Enrico Bandello

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He wasn't really either. He was more of a libertarian-socialist.



A widespread misconception is the idea that the political spectrum is linear, with the extreme-left socialists at one end and the extreme-right fascists at the other. It's better to imagine the political spectrum two-dimensionally, as a square tilted 45 degrees so that it's standing on one of its corners, sort of like a diamond, I suppose.

../\..
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Anyhow, if you divide it in half, vertically, you can imagine varying degrees of left and right positions. Now, consider the point where the left and right meet at the top as being the best of both worlds -- an absolutely free, almost utopian, society where individual liberty is so valuable that we can live by a shared set of moral laws with virtually no government, but where each individual is compassionate enough to ensure that no one else suffers from a lack of basic human needs, such as food, shelter, and clothing. We can call this libertarian socialism (a la Noam Chomsky). Of course, the complete opposite of that would be the point at which the left and right meet at the bottom, and this position would be characterized by the worst that both sides have to offer -- a tyrannical, statist government whose policies and restrictions provide individuals with not even the most basic liberties, such as free speech and free thought, and where all of our needs are met by enforced regulations dictated by the state in return for a life of service to the government, which is in a perpetual state of war with the purpose of building an empire and maintaining corporate interests. We can call this authoritarian socialism, or fascism.

.....libertarian...
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He was a bit of the best of both worlds, so I'd say he's somewhere in the middle, near the top.



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"Why do you find it so easy?"
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I yield the floor to my distinguished colleague!
Nice analysis.

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Interesting, but your spectrum is based on two false assumptions:

1) "fascism" (a form of authoritarianism) can be right wing". It cannot. It is left wing, founded by Europe's most visible spokesman (in the 20's & 30's) for socialism (until weeks before he was killed) -- Benito Mussolini, and modified culturally (as he defined the modifications) by -- Adolph Hitler. The farthest left manifestation of authoritarianism - communism - is identical in every important respect to Nazism, as admitted in "Mein Kampf" by Hitler himself. Statism in "all" its forms (& variations) is left wing exclusively.

2) "authoritarianism can be right wing." It, too, cannot be -- in any respect. All right wing movements (conservatism, libertarianism, objectivism, etc.) have one thing incontrovertibly in common: a maxmization of individual liberty and a minimization of state control (force, interference, influence, etc.). Authoritarianism is "utterly incompatible" with right wing prerogatives.

The linear model makes the "most" sense, but not as it is usually presented in academia - with fascism & nazism on the right.

Noam Chomsky is a loon, with suitably nonsensical and self-serving (leftist) home-made, agenda-friendly deceptions, ah . . . definitions.

I have no idea where Jimmy Stewart's character fits into any of the above, but I'm inclined to think of him as a kind of populist.

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No, you are wrong. Facism is right wing. Right Wing= Hierarchical power structure. Left Wing= egalitarianism.

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This thread is so disheartening. People are at each other's throats. If you had half a brain or any heart whatsoever, you'd be on the same side of the political spectrum as I am. I get so sick of this mentality.

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The best two comments in this thread:

by mstytz (Wed Sep 2 2009 18:33:51)

American


This is what Jefferson Smith was meant to represent. Without labels or specific political identification, Mr. Smith is meant to be the embodiment of the honest American fighting for what he believes in.

by lostmyheadache (Wed Sep 1 2010 21:08:35)

I find it telling that both sides claim Smith as one of their own in this thread. It is interesting that both sides can admire a man like Smith yet they can't put aside political difference to elect a man like Smith without labeling him as "with us" or "against us".


It's a tribute to the writing, research, and overall abilities of the film's cast and production crew. Jefferson Smith can be seen as representing the values and principles of either party and either side will readily accept him as one of their own.

Yet, unfortunately, it seems that there are many who would regard him as nothing short of a mortal enemy should he prove to be a member of the opposing party.

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Those are some interesting lies in your comment. Mussolini left the Socialist party in Italy in 1914; he founded the Fascist Party -- and the philosophy of fascism -- in 1919, specifically to combat socialism and communism in Italy. Fascism is and has always been far right. Hitler was a fascist, and far right wing. He was determinedly anti-communist.

The idea that right wing is anti-authoritarian is one of the new, most egregious lies of today's right wing, coupled with the idea that the left wing is always "big government." In fact, there are both authoritarian and anti-authoritarian philosophies on both left and right. The right has libertarianism and fascism. The left has anarchism and communism. The real difference between left and right has always been rooted in the left's belief in equality of rights and progress, looking to the future, and the right's worship of wealth and power, and denial of progress, looking to the past. It's ironic that you should talk about self serving, home made, deceptive definitions, when that is all you present in your post. Not that I expect any right winger to ever appreciate the irony of their hypocrisies.



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The great about this film is that it can work in both ways: the way he talks about "American ideals" and how he says that the project won't cost a thing to the goverment seems very conservative, yet the fact that he is standing against a powerful bussiness man in order to protect the natural beauty of the zone looks more liberal.

I'm a libertarian, my brother is a conservative, and we both love the film.

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I find it telling that both sides claim Smith as one of their own in this thread. It is interesting that both sides can admire a man like Smith yet they can't put aside political difference to elect a man like Smith without labeling him as "with us" or "against us".

The poster that mentioned a 2 axis political spectrum was correct, however. Smith was almost certainly a libertarian socialist (which is not a contradiction in terms), not a "liberal" or a "conservative" as defined by modern American politics.

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There's a scene of a newspaper headline that says that Smith wants a "government with fewer laws". He also wants the govenrment to be reimbursed for what it spends on the kid's camp by the kids themsleves with whatever small contributions thye can send in. James Stewart was a conservative Republican who was against the new Deal and probably wouldn't have taken the role if it wasn't made clear that Jeff Smith wasn't a political conservative.

regarding the Tea party, if Carl Palladino is an example of the Tea Prty, Jeff Smith, (and Jimmy Stewart) would have had nothing to do with them.

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...vs. those who are greedy and corrupt. There are people on both sides of the political spectrum would would wind up on either side of that battle.



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That's definitely just you. Several posters on this thread have pointed out that Smith embodies positive values that are shared by well meaning people on both the left and right. It's clear that you cannot comprehend or appreciate this. Smith is a good guy, you're right wing, so Smith must be right wing, and his opponents must be the liberals that you've been brainwashed into equating with evil. The irony of course is that Smith is taking on a rich, influential businessman and the Senator whom that businessman owns body and soul. Which party is it that worships big business and does its bidding? I think you'd better try to open up your mind far enough to take the "embodies positive values that are shared by well meaning people on both the left and right" approach, before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

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I think he is a Constitutionalist Libertarian.

Same thing we do every night try to take over the world

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