Fired by Playboy for pro-Hamas tweets
https://www.tmz.com/2023/10/10/mia-khalifa-fired-playboy-pro-hamas-thoughts-israel-attacks/
shareRidiculous.
I guess you can only be against genocide and war crimes when it's happening to Israelis?
Palestinians don't deserve rights???
Not the ones cutting the heads off of infants, no. It's really not hard to see who the bad guys are here, at least, not for those of us with a functioning moral compass.
shareNot the ones cutting the heads off of infants, no.
Okay, but that's not all of them. Trying to turn it into a black and white issue based on the fringe is no different than saying Israel are the true villains because they bombed hospitals and schools:
https://www.dw.com/en/us-slams-attack-on-gaza-school-resupplies-israel-with-weapons/a-17825123
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/israeli-strike-un-school-gaza-kills-women-children
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/7/31/israeli-fire-kills-nineteen-in-gaza-un-school
https://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/hospital-evacuate-patients/
Or... are there justifications as to why Israelis can kill innocents and not be the bad guys? share
Are you kidding?? You can't compare what a terrorist group does to what the Israeli army does. Did you even read your own link??: "Today Hamas continued firing from Beit Hanoun. The IDF responded by targeting the source of the fire."
"Last night, we told Red Cross to evacuate civilians from UNRWA's shelter in Beit Hanoun btw 10am & 2pm. UNRWA & Red Cross got the message. Hamas prevented civilians from evacuating the area during the window that we gave them."
Muslim Arabs - Palestinians especially - are famous for using women and children as human shields and then blame Israel!
And you think Hamas would treat Israelis in their hospitals like Israel does??? https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1697050407-controversy-as-hamas-terrorists-are-treated-in-israeli-hospitals?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0rLw7AleC90zrYc2_AnvuO6omkCc_Vn4C6DF-Z13w6oYD6ZBcFTLq9Sbw#Echobox=1697053794
There's something very wrong with you!
There was one instance where Israel gave them a window to escape, but that wasn't always the case.
You're clearly for one side and no matter what Israel has done you'll justify it or make excuses for it, which I understand -- you're emotional and likely watching a lot of news that has altered your perception of objective reality.
My point is that Israel is not blameless in this, and -- much like Ukraine -- has been egging on and poking the bear for DECADES. It was all going to spill over at some point.
Trying to play nice on some instances while being ruthless in others doesn't absolve them from partaking in the rock throwing contest with the Palestinians.
"There was one instance where Israel gave them a window to escape, but that wasn't always the case."
That's bullshit, but you can't know better considering the obvious echo chamber you're trapped in.
The IDF literally announced their air strikes in the past years, all precision guided munitions, almost every time via multiple means before they actually strike the target. First, they drop a small bomb as a "final warning", followed by the actual ordnance intended to destroy the target minutes later.
You can't do much, even today, as a military when your enemy wears no uniform and uses civilians as shields while continuing to blind fire unguided explosives into Israel, being perfectly fine with random casualties, including women and children.
At some point, you are forced to act because you are expected to protect your people.
If civilians still get hit, that's unfortunate but maybe blame the ones that keep up the terror for decades and behead kids instead of playing the good old "evil joos!" card?
PS: No one said Israel is blameless. It's a messy and complicated conflict for a reason, but Hamas is not the answer and as we can see, must be crushed once and for all.
Very well said and very accurate!
shareNo one said Hamas was the answer -- you're reacting based on the false dilemma fallacy.
Hamas only exists because there is no actual Palestinian State; they have no state sovereignty. So obviously, they have no nationally organised and recognised army.
So realistically, what ARE their people supposed to do to fight for their freedom? They've essentially been forced into insurgency, identical to what happened in Iraq when the U.S., usurped the Iraqi army.
Again, no one is saying this is good, this is literally just the result of people who don't want to be displaced, fighting to keep what was theirs before international statehoods forcibly moved in to displace them.
The local militias will never NOT use civilians as shields because they ARE the civilians. They have no army.
People seem to be under the false impression that angry local militias fighting for their landsake should somehow operate according to U.N., Geneva Conventions. That's not how it works on the ground floor where there are no rules, there is no statehood, and no one cares about you.
They have elections and have always voted in terrorist groups, NEVER a legitimate leader/government. They base their voting on the candidate who promises to extinguish Israel, i.e. the PLO, PA, Hamas. If they would vote in a government that cared about them things would be much different and legitimate negotiations would occur, not just with Israel but with other countries. Perhaps, for example, negotiating with Egypt to help them bring in their own electriciy in Gaza IF they didn't want Israel's help. Gaza is right at the Egyptian border, which is why I mention it. They have never had leadership that cared about anything except destroying Israel!
What's crazy about this entire argument/discussion/whatever you want to call it: You're BOTH right. This is a hideously complicated situation with No Good Guys, and some of the smartest people in history have been unable to find a workable solution to the mess in that part of the world.
Add in the fact that the bad actors (on BOTH sides) have typically had the loudest voices/most power, and it's an unmitigated disaster.
The analogy: if I tried to get you guys to talk to each other and try to figure out what you agree on instead of disagree, but Moviechat banned/restricted my account. THIS is what is going on in the Middle East.
In any case: why not give it a try? ALL of You. You might be surprised at the results. . .
The thing is Israel has never been able to trust them. As I said in my above post, the Palestinians have always voted in terrorist groups, never a legitimate government who cares about them. How can Israel ever trust a group of people that only wants its destruction? They've never listened to reason, never accepted any peace offerings, never wanted to assimilate or live in that utopian 2-state solution. They just want to destroy Israel. If they're not firing rockets, they're digging tunnels with which to use to attack, it's always something. Then when the IDF goes into catch the perpetrators, they're hiding among civilians - always among civilians - to make it look like the IDF is intentionally hunting civilians! It's a sad, old story. Very recently, in good faith, more work permits were given out to Palestinians to work in Israel and they think it's very possible it backfired. They think, in part, the attacks happened due to letting in the wrong person(people). It's a nightmare! Again, if the Palestinians would elect legitimate leaders, who would negotiate for their people - WITHOUT wanting to destroy Israel, I know things would be very different. They could work on their infrastructure, have their own electricity, etc., etc., things that would improve their lives! But their sole focus is destroying Israel so it never changes for them.
Just for the record too, none of the Arab countries want them either. Egypt, while making threats to Israel about what's going on, is refusing to let them in because they're afraid they'll bring "trouble". Exact same with Jordan. Again, it's the leadership they vote in - terrorist organizations. And they just don't get it.
Why would MovieChat ban you? What happened?
I don't think MC would ban me. I was making an Analogy.
Won't go back and forth w/you about the particulars of your post, because, unlike 99% of online posters, I don't argue when I have no f$*king idea what the facts are. Clearly you do, and you have your perspective. ALL I was saying was, so do others, and they have Their perspective as well.
And. . .here's the important part. . .the Truth is almost Always Somewhere In The Middle.
All I know is, there have been atrocities on Both sides. And bad actors on Both sides. And plenty of blame to go around. And the Hamas actions are Indefensible. But so are some of the actions on the other side of the conflict.
OK, we don't have to get into things any further. Thank you for your condemnation of the Hamas atrocities.
Glad you weren't actually banned 🙂
They have elections and have always voted in terrorist groups, NEVER a legitimate leader/government. [...] If they would vote in a government that cared about them things would be much different and legitimate negotiations would occur, not just with Israel but with other countries.
The most legitimate government they could vote in is one that does what they want. Remember, the people are angry and fed up with their situation, so they want people who represent them to get things done. If the so-called "terrorist" groups are the ones at least taking action, then why wouldn't people vote them in (assuming their votes are even legitimate)?
It's a long-winded way of saying -- there is no such thing as a government who gets in and makes everything magically better. The Palestinians absolutely do not want a pushover government whose only job is to make concessions; it's obvious the people want someone proactive.
The other problem is that they are reliant on their sworn enemies for infrastructure, and worse yet, their sworn enemies have even funded the very same "terrorist" governing factions they're now actively trying to eliminate:
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
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They could get from Egypt - which borders Gaza on the other side - if they had good negotiations but they don't want to. They only want to destroy Israel. Period. I do not understand what you do not understand about this.
Proactive? Terrorist groups? I'm out of here. I'm not even sure you understand how you sound.
Seems like the '40 infants beheaded' story is a hoax - it's surreal that it's still spreading.
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/
https://news.sky.com/story/its-important-to-separate-the-facts-from-speculation-what-we-actually-know-about-the-viral-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329
https://www.mediaite.com/news/cnn-reporter-confirms-gruesome-decapitations-at-kibbutz-attacked-by-hamas-shot-executed-heads-cut/
CNN reporter is a witness. Do you think he wanted to count the number of dead babies?? Would you you???
BS
That site was visited by a number of journalists - including the chick that first 'broke' the story.
She got her info from a soldier (despite being on the scene), not from what she was shown (with those other reporters who were taken to the spot). She backtracked her story after being confronted. Not one of those reporters supported her story.
And as for the CNN - a fake news network - this fellow does not say that he personally saw it, so we can only assume he's doing more of the same 'reporting' that the original 'reporter' did.
As this news article points out - Photos have been published by Hamas showing beheaded soldiers and the X account belonging to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted pictures on Thursday of babies killed and burned by Hamas. No photo evidence had been made public as of Thursday morning corroborating claims that babies had been beheaded.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/unverified-allegations-beheaded-babies-israel-hamas-war-inflame-social-rcna119902
So you're saying it's no big deal they murdered and burned babies but it's BS that they beheaded them? Is that what you're saying?????
Are you making a bigger deal of them not showing pictures of some murdered babies and only showing pictures of other murdered babies???
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?????
"Spokesman for prime minister says the decision to share shocking photos was made ‘so that the world will see just a fraction of the horrors that Hamas carried out’"
"JUST A FRACTION OF THE HORRORS THAT HAMAS CARRIED OUT"
We are discussing a particular claim which everyone is calling BS on, but which some morons are persistently spreading.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html
Do you understand what I'm saying?
I understand you're trivializing the massacre and making excuses because no pictures have come out. CNN - and Nic Robertson - are NO friends to Israel. They have no reason to lie! There were body bags all over the place behind Robertson. Because no pictures have been posted - and I don't think they should be! - of beheaded babies you think it's a lie because you're a terrorist supporter!
It's not enough that pictures of other murdered babies have been posted - you demand the see the specific ones or you don't believe it! BELIEVE ME, IF THEY'RE SAVAGE ENOUGH TO BURN BABIES, THEY'RE SAVAGE ENOUGH TO BEHEAD THEM!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!
I support the truth - not BS
There is a psychological element to these claims of 'beheaded babies'. It is purposely being used to justify killing what - over 400 kids in Gaza over the last few days? I'd also like to point out that this number is also likely to be inflated. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-biden-hamas-attack-holocaust-gaza-displaced-palestine?page=with:block-6527f9da8f0889b52d8c2d6a
We are looking at war propaganda -
When it comes to war propaganda - you hide your soldier losses and inflate the civilian casualties for more international support. Right now, Israel and Palestine are doing the exact same thing as far as propaganda goes.
One Israeli reporter went a bit further and added a 40 beheaded babies story into the mix (I don't blame the reporter, actually - she really did get her info from one BS artist in the IDF reserve unit).
You're full of shit! NOT ONCE have you said how horrible the massacre was, how horrific the murders have been. You're a terrorist sympathizer, probably anti-Semitic too! JUST GO AWAY!
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html
CNN?
That's why one shouldn't respond to news stories until a week or so later. Many times, big events have a lot of reporting similar to the game of telephone.
sharestill no proof of beheaded infants, media has walked back on this story
https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/biden-ive-seen-pictures-of-terrorists-beheading-children-in-israel/
https://www.mediaite.com/news/cnn-reporter-confirms-gruesome-decapitations-at-kibbutz-attacked-by-hamas-shot-executed-heads-cut/
CNN reporter is a witness to the aftermath of the carnage!
BS
That site was visited by a number of journalists - including the chick that first 'broke' the story.
She got her info from a soldier (despite being on the scene), not from what she was shown (with those other reporters who were taken to the spot). She backtracked her story after being confronted. Not one of those reporters supported her story.
And as for the CNN - a fake news network - this fellow does not say that he personally saw it, so we can only assume he's doing more of the same 'reporting' that the original 'reporter' did.
As this news article points out - Photos have been published by Hamas showing beheaded soldiers and the X account belonging to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted pictures on Thursday of babies killed and burned by Hamas. No photo evidence had been made public as of Thursday morning corroborating claims that babies had been beheaded.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/unverified-allegations-beheaded-babies-israel-hamas-war-inflame-social-rcna119902
So you support women and children being murdered and beheaded?? YOU'RE the "ridiculous" one (and I'm being nice when I say that)!
shareNo one said that.
But it's a war... who expects barbarism to retire during war?
Only TERRORISTS behead infants, go into people's homes and kill them and cut off their heads in front of their families, throw grenades into bomb shelters full of terrified civilians, shoot almost 300 dead at a fucking music festival, take women and small children hostage, nothing to do with war! It's savage TERRORISM!
shareI know this may shock you... but none of that has been off the table in past wars:
https://www.norsetradesman.com/blogs/news/the-worst-slaughter-in-viking-history
This one was especially nasty, even worse than the Hamas "terrorists":
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/horrific-sand-creek-massacre-will-be-forgotten-no-more-180953403/
And just one more for good measure:
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/us/an-iraqi-massacre-a-light-sentence-and-a-question-of-military-justice.html
Last I checked, I don't remember anyone calling Vikings, U.S. Cavalrymen, or the U.S. Army "terrorists" during war? Or does it only apply to Hamas?
that was a very long time ago...... people have evolved.
not these though....Muslims still party like it's 1399
lol
Evolved?
Are you referring to the laws of war?
Probably the funniest bit of the so-called 'evolution'.
You can massacre millions with bombs, but they better not have any white phosphorous in them! lol
Yeah it's crazy how much people are passing off war atrocities as "not that bad" so long as it doesn't affect them emotionally.
As the old saying goes, "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic".
that was a very long time ago...... people have evolved.
The Iraq massacre was less than 20 years ago. People have not evolved. share
You're trying to justify the barbarism of a KNOWN terrorist organization? You're actually trying to justify what Hamas did to civilians and children??? You're brining up the Vikings???
I stand by my original opinion that there is something definitely wrong with you. SHAME ON YOU!
You're trying to justify the barbarism of a KNOWN terrorist organization?
Nope. Explaining that barbarism comes with war, regardless of WHOSE side it is.
You're actually trying to justify what Hamas did to civilians and children???
I don't know what they actually did due to all the propaganda. All we have are videos and photos of out-of-context situations being exploited by a war-mongering media establishment.
You're brining up the Vikings???
Yes, because according to your standards that would make every army in the world terrorists because they engaged in similar acts of barbarism. share
Oy vey, there is something wrong with you, I knew it!
shareThe tactics are irrelevant .
Israel is a stronger force already occupying their territory
That makes them the invaders . that makes them "in the wrong"
"Occupying their territory"??? Both the Jews and the Palestinians are from Canaan. The Palestinians also came from Arab nations. The Palestinians are NOT all indigenous to that area!
Secondly, they NEVER owned that land. The Jews that were there didn't own it either UNTIL the UK/UN gave it to them, at which point the Palestinians became infuriated and remained infuriated for 75 years! They NEVER wanted to integrate or to live in peace. They only want to destroy Israel. Do some research into the 1993 and 2000 peace agreements in which Israel was going to give most of their land to the Palestinians but they refused - BOTH TIMES. They only want to completely destroy Israel! They've never even had a government that wasn't considered a terrorist group! They receive huge amounts of aid yearly and almost every cent goes towards attempting to destroy Israel. Their leadership has NEVER given a shit about their people! Israel has Arabs in its government FFS! Please stop repeating lies!
displacing and keeping a population of 2mn under a siege for more than a decade, denying their basic rights, periodically bombing them to serve a domestic agenda, and now cutting off water and food supplies is a lesser terrorism?
shareBoth the Jews and the Palestinians are from Canaan. The Palestinians also came from Arab nations. The Palestinians are NOT all indigenous to that area!
The Jews that were there didn't own it either UNTIL the UK/UN gave it to them, at which point the Palestinians became infuriated and remained infuriated for 75 years! They NEVER wanted to integrate or to live in peace. They only want to destroy Israel. Do some research into the 1993 and 2000 peace agreements in which Israel was going to give most of their land to the Palestinians but they refused - BOTH TIMES. They only want to completely destroy Israel! They've never even had a government that wasn't considered a terrorist group! They receive huge amounts of aid yearly and almost every cent goes towards attempting to destroy Israel. Their leadership has NEVER given a shit about their people! Israel has Arabs in its government FFS! Please stop repeating lies!
How can Israel trust these people whose sole focus is their destruction??? In good faith, they relaxed work permits in the past few months and the attacks are probably, in part, due to this mistake in judgment. They CANNOT be trusted!
And if Hamas released the civilian hostages - women, children, elderly - their lights would go back on! They've begged for whatever they now receive!
israel was never serious about giving any land to palestinians, all the "offers" they've made were made just verbally without any official papers, if israel adhered to the international law and UN resolutions it would've never built settlements beyond it's 1967 border
shareNever serious? Wow, for you to know something like that sure is a magical, mystical power. Please let us all know what type of power you have to be able to read people's minds and know something like this! Wow!!!
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Edited to say: Re: 1967 "borders" - Israel won that land in a war that THEY DID NOT START! If the Palestinians don't want to lose land, lose privileges and live decent lives, THEY NEED TO STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL!
as for the arabs in the israel, ethnic cleansings made sure that very few of them left, so they can't make any impact on israeli policies
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Why don't you list the Arab countries with Jews in their governments? OH RIGHT, THERE ARE NONE!
that argument has nothing to do with a current discussion, ethnic cleansings are historical fact that displaced the palestinians from the present day israel area, there is no point in denying it
shareI've had it with you, another terrorist supporter! Another apologist for perpetual terrorist victims.
All I can do is laugh at you now because you really sound stupid!
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so when you're out of arguments you're laughing? is that what they taught you at the clown school?
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I didn't run out of arguments. You're not addressing most of what I wrote, including confirmation of the horrific massacre of women and children in a Kibbutz that you claimed was not actually true. You're too ridiculous! Absolutely ridiculous!!!
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It's a troll - ignore him -
It's when they start using hundreds of emojis that you know you've spotted one of those rare creatures.
And you still haven't condemned Hamas for what they've done. You're doing nothing but making excuses because one action, in your opinion, may or may not be true. In essence you're saying: They killed babies but did they behead them?? If they didn't behead them it's not good enough, it's not true.
Do you realize how disgusting you sound?? YOU'RE the troll, anti-Semite, and terrorist supporter.
The Palestinians are NOT all indigenous to that area!
first of all palestinians were there before the balfour declaration, so they came there before zionists
also if you think that modern jews have a right to live there because bible says so then you can check the story of Samson in the old testament which mentions "Philistines from the city of Gaza"
You're really ignorant! Jews lived there too WITH the Palestinians. It wasn't until the land was given to the Jews, after the Holocaust, that the Palestinians had a problem. They never owned the land, nor were they all indigenous. They came from Egypt and other Arab countries that they were expelled from!
You're obviously a terrorist supporter. Shame on you!