"And yes the undervote was higher this year than in the past Presidential election, both by outright numbers and by a percentage of the total votes cast where it was over half a percent higher so about 20,000 votes. "
Nationwide or in a particular state? If so, which state or states? Finally, from where are you citing these undervote estimates? Another obvious question. Why not take the extra 20 second to bubble in the Democrat Senate and Congressional candidates? You go to jail either way if you are caught, so why wouldn't you? Any group power hungry enough to cheat for Biden on the scale you are suggesting would surely understand the crucial need to attain the Senate and hold or expand the lead in the House. Otherwise, their agenda is dead in the water from the start. In this case, Occam's Razor suggests stupidity and laziness, not fraud.
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4 years ago
I'm only looking at Wisconsin which you would know if you bothered to read the full discussion. And why would you not mark the other candidates on the ticket? Because if the 53,000 undervotes were fraudulent then you would not have 53,000 people doing it only a handful. Now assume only half those 53,000 are fraudulent, if it took you criminal 30 seconds more to make the other boxes on the ballot that is over 200 hours of additional work. If you had a dozen people involved that's more than 16 hours per person. Do you think the criminals want to piss away that much more time? That is why it looks suspicious. A legit voter is unlikely to think 30 seconds more time is a big deal... but if it was fraudsters stuffing ballot then that 30 seconds per ballot adds up to a whole lot of time.
As for the Senate theory, well Wisconsin didn't have a senate race only representative races so the fraudsters wouldn't have been able to influence the senate. As for the house, they would have likely believed what the pollsters had said, that the democrats were on track to pick up additional house seats not lose them so there would have been no reason to waste time trying to mess with the House since they thought they would retain it no matter what they did.
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christomacin (4655)
4 years ago
All you did was repeat the assertion you made before. What statistical evidence are you basing that assertion on that proves it differs from past elections, or other states in this election? Furthermore, how do you know how the undervote broke between Biden and Trump? Where is the data for this claim? I'd also point out this this election was unusual in that many people were motivated solely to vote either for or against Trump, and nothing else. Why else was the turnout so high? It sure as hell wasn't because people suddenly became more civic minded or concerned about who their representative was. By the way, even an extra 30 seconds' is an over-generous estimate...ESPECIALLY if there were no Senate races in Wisconsin. That would mean about 5 extra seconds to bubble in the one or two House races on the ballot.
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4 years ago
Everything bit of data I gave was directly from the Wisconsin election board. As for the 30 seconds you are assuming the ballots only had 2 items on them. They had more, but the varied across the state. 30 seconds is probably being too conservative because in some areas you would have had a multi page ballot, other a single page. I also provide the difference as a percent of total votes which would account for the larger number of voters.
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christomacin (4655)
4 years ago
The people who would do this wouldn't give a damn about anything other than the presidency and the house race. So, the total number of other items is entirely irrelevant. The data you gave me only tells me the number of undervotes, not whether they are unusual or who they favored. If you really had this information you would have supplied it already. In any case, a strong argument can be made that things WERE different this time that would perfectly explain a higher than usual number of undervotes.
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