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Americans will have to face 'hardship' if Trump wins


Musk says Americans will have to face 'hardship' if Trump wins
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/elon-musk-trump-hardship-austerity-taxes-rcna177732

Elon Musk, the world’s richest man, said that if Donald Trump wins and gives him a role in government, Americans will suffer “hardship” as a result of efforts to address the national debt. He made the comments Friday in a virtual town hall on his website, X. When asked about “tackling the nation’s debt,” he mentioned changing the tax code, and then went on to say there would be some financial difficulty imposed on some Americans. “Most importantly, we have to reduce spending to live within our means,” he said, adding that these efforts will “involve some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity.”


When Musk makes financial decisions, he loses money. He has better people than himself running SpaceX and Tesla. But Musk is running Twitter into the ground to make it his mouthpiece for this buddies.

I think Trump and Musk put together will certainly be bad for the economy.

Trump would never do anything to significantly increase the tax burden of the wealthy, he will put that burden on the middle class instead.

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Elon Musk admitted that he knows that Donald Trump’s policies would crash the economy if he’s elected president

https://newrepublic.com/post/187662/elon-musk-confession-economy-trump-victory

Trump’s plan to appoint Musk to his administration, possibly to lead a government efficiency task force, could also have negative effects. JD Vance, Trump’s running mate, previously said Musk told him that he plans to look at cuts to government programs like Social Security and the Department of Defense.

Judging by what happened after Musk gutted Twitter and laid off many of its workers after he purchased the social media company, there are justifiable fears that he would cripple essential government programs. Social Security, for example, is a lifeline to many older Americans, and in fact needs more funding, not less.

Musk’s status as the world’s richest man, as well as the success of his companies like SpaceX and Tesla, comes from taxpayer funds. When the government isn’t involved in his ventures, they’ve suffered, such as Twitter (now X), which has lost more than a third of its value since he took over the company. Musk’s confession that the economy would initially get worse under Trump is worrying enough, but his idea that it would lead to a rapid recovery should be cause to reject his plans altogether—as well as the administration that would enable them.


https://www.datalounge.com/thread/34929975-elon-musk-admitted-that-he-knows-that-donald-trump%E2%80%99s-policies-would-crash-the-economy-if-he%E2%80%99s-elected-president

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Trump was president for four years and the economy got better. Right after he stopped being president, the economy started getting worse, and worse. I'm not talking about abstracts like the stock market. It's what gasoline, energy, groceries, and other stuff costs that affects people every day, and they all cost a hell of a lot more now than they did when Trump was in office.

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You're obviously lying. The economy tanked during the pandemic that Trump mismanaged. Trump bragged that he could do anything per the Constitution including keeping the lock downs from happening. But he decided to let the economy tank instead.

The price of a free economy and capitalism is inflation and price gouging. What commie price controls do you want to see?

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It seemed like a political plot when Covid happened.

I am politically neutral and view both parties as negative.

I work in community health in Philadelphia, so I was all over the city working while people feared going outside.

Philly is a very Democratic city and I live by Bucks County which is typically Republican. I live only a few miles away from Bucks.

In Philly, everything was shut down, police were taking action, etc. In Bucks things were barely shut down and opened quickly, masks weren't needed, and so forth. On Philly news, there were stories about packed hospitals and dying people. There were stories about morgue trucks pulling up to hospitals because there were so many dead.

None of this was true as I was at hospitals; they were quiet.

Supposedly, out of a million people, only 1500 died. That number was likely inflated because other illnesses, including car accidents, were the real cause. In Bucks, only about 90 people died and they were the predicted population of very elderly, cancer patients, etc.

Diseases do not work this way. If you smoke and get lung cancer or get a head cold what political district doesn't affect the results.

In addition, situations like Democrats saying you can't visit relatives or you will kill them, but then not stopping the Floyd riots, was telling.

Also, there was a Canadian case where a man was arrested for violating covid laws. His lawyer challenged the existence of covid and demanded a sample of the disease. The government couldn't produce one and the case was won.

I believe that covid was some kind of US coup attempt. I was never a Trump fan but one of his claims is that he will stop some kind of "secret government" that is toxic to the US. It could be whatever that is behind it.

Also, Biden and Democrats have heavy funding from the Chinese. If you read Chinese philosophy about war, they believe in indirect wars, using spies, culture, bribes, and so forth.

I believe is was a "coup" to tank the economy

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Seek help...

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You are on a discussion forum and can only post two word cliches, lol.

In addition, I'm sure you have no life experience with this topic, and probably not many others.

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Get Help!

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Improve your trolling skills.

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[–] SamNoyoun (5672) a day ago
"Seek help..."


Fucking gaslighting, bravo.

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So why did Trump allow it if he could do anything?

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If the "deep state" idea is correct, and it likely is, Trump was one person against a machine, so not a situation a person can control.

A micro example of the deep state idea is P Diddy and Epstein with Diddy being better.

On the surface, he's a guy behind fun pop music but behind there's kinds of crime and perversion, but he's just one guy with some supporters. So, imagine if there's people way smarter than Diddy but with the same personalities, that would be international deep state.

In the 70s they used to call them the "fifth column" and they have been in many governments through history.

As I mentioned in my first post, Covid had to be largely fake due to my experience in Philly vs Bucks County which boarder each other. In Philly, it was the end of the world and three miles away no effect, gyms, restaurants, etc open and next to no deaths.

It was a dead giveaway so to speak.

In addition, the "vaccine" was not one, as they are made from the disease. Instead, it was an RNA Inhibitor like they give to HIV patients. On top of that, the tests were for Coronavirus which is common and has hundreds of varieties.

If it was an election stunt it was of epic proportions.

I have noticed, the media is insanely anti-Trump and he's just some guy. But, he's not a politician and seems to not care what people think. So, he is some kind of threat that we do not understand or at least I don't.

I am a fairly extreme liberal and my guess is that the deep state is communist, which doesn't bother me. I think they see Trump as too capitalist and panic about it.

Alternately, they could be a ring of P Diddys.

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The economy tanked during the pandemic that Trump mismanaged.


Exactly. Trump should have created an executive order to order people to not get Covid, or not die if they did, or to not stay home from work when they did get sick.

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Trump's standard for allowing potentially infected people into the USA is less than one. He said Obama should resign because he allowed one potentially infected person into the USA. Trump let thousands in. Trump was slow on just about everything that needed to be done.

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Who did Trump let in? And when?

He was actually trying to stop immigration as well as all travel, particularly from China, and leftists called him a racist and fearmonger, and then told people to socialize and party, and didn’t follow through on limiting travel and immigration, or social distancing.

The democrats defied Trump and let people in, and they got sick because of it.

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Thousands of potentially infected Americans were allowed back into the USA from China after the Covid-19 pandemic was identified. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html

Trump said he could keep them out, but decided not to. You ever wonder why he allowed the infection to spread to the USA like this? https://www.newsweek.com/trump-insists-constitution-allows-do-whatever-want-1444235

Why is anyone else to blame when Trump was in power? HE said he could do anything.

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The first link is to an article locked behind a pay wall so I can't verify for myself, and the second doesn't say anything about him letting thousands of people in during covid.

The presidency isn't an all-powerful position, it was never designed that way. The democrats defied Trump out of spite, they over-hyped covid, they did a half-assed job in vetting supposed carriers and pushed out faulty vaccines, and they did it to spread chaos and weaken America during one of its greatest economic eras, and then they relied on your short attention span to blame Trump for everyone that got sick.

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The second article details how Trump brags of his ability to do anything per the constitution. Why do you think Trump says this? Does he really believe it? If so, then why did he not take more action to secure our borders?

Trump wants you, to think he is all powerful. Trump thinks you are stupid, LanceDance. Why else would he make that kind of statement?

Which faulty vaccines? Were they the same vaccines that Trump was so proud of?

Why didn't Trump take more action to keep infected people out of the USA? Trump's personal standard on allowing infected people into the USA, was less than a single person. Why did he change his mind when he was president?

Why do you think trump pushed light and disinfectant as cures when he did not avail himself of these cures instead went with the best medical care available in the USA?

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One of Trump's problems is that he pays too much attention to the idiocy the Dems spew. He should have fired Fauci, given everyone in America access to ivermectin -- which worked like a charm when my husband and I were registering lower and lower oxygen levels -- and kept the country open. Instead he listened to Fauci and Birx. And, of course, he didn't strand Americans outside our country. He should have ignored the media who said he was a racist for not wanting Chinese to come into the country. And he should have listened to the doctors who were successfully treating Covid, and there were many of them.

The media, Fauci, the CDC and others were to blame for the disinformation that cost so many lives. Trump listened to them. They should never be listened to again.

And, of course, Trump's vaccines have harmed many people and didn't prevent the spread any more than those useless masks. As one doctor pointed out, the masks stopped droplets in the air, but the virus was so small that stopping it with a mask was like "trying to stop a mosquito with a chain link fence."

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Almost every American who wanted ivermectin was able to get it. There was even a shortage of it for use on animals.

Prior to being elected, Trump's standard on keeping potentially infected people out of the USA was nearly absolute. Why do you think he changed his mind when the Chinese were involved. Was Trump in their pocket and the Russia pocket at the same time?

Why are you repeating the false assumption that a mask is intended to block a virus? The mask merely reduces the amount of virus laden droplets of liquid in a person's breath from spreading around. You would choose to say nothing instead of telling everyone how stupid you are.

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If you were a doctor and prescribed IVM in Oregon, you could lose your license, and the pharmacies wouldn't fill the prescription for you. We got our IVM from out of state.
Naturally, I quit reading with that hilarious piece of misinformation. And the IVM for people was totally different from that for animals. People took pills, animals had this interesting paste. A friend of mine raises sheep, and the sheep got the paste. That is, of course, why the American media kept calling it "horse paste." Horses were among the other farm animals given the apple-flavored paste.
It's as if you didn't live through the same pandemic the rest of us did. Or possibly, you don't come from this country, and therefore wouldn't know what things were like, here. You wouldn't be the first Brit or Canadian trying to pass themselves off as an American on social media, telling us what's what with American politicians.

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You must be living in the dark if you think people were not using the paste during the pandemic. One of my friends did so when he got covid.

I'm American born and raised. To me, you're the one who seems alien.

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If they did use the paste, they didn't need to. I know the Dems were saying those stupid MAGA Republicans were eating horse paste, but everyone I knew was taking the pills. RFK, Jr. has a list of the brave doctors who bucked the system and were prescribing IVM in pill form during the pandemic in the first few pages of his book, The Real Anthony Fauci. One of those doctors is where we got ours.

I'm sorry for your friend who didn't know any better. And that I'm the sort of person who knows that IVM is one of the most prescribed medications on planet earth is, I suppose, why I seem so alien.

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His point was that things were going to get worse before they get better. Context matters. Of course, you're not going to get that from The Reidout.

I love how the libs here act as if we're in a good economy now. It's as if they don't go to the grocery store and suffer the same sticker shock the rest of us do. Possibly, they don't. They may all have high-paying jobs and don't have to worry about inflation. Or maybe they live with their parents.

MSNBC is about as biased as you can get. They loved Musk when he was the liberals' darling, making the Teslas they all wanted to drive. Once he woke up and smelled the coffee and moved his businesses to Texas because of Democrat mismanagement of San Francisco, they've decided to hate his guts. And all news coverage of him has suffered from extreme bias. They'll go after Bezos next -- and it was just a few days ago that he could do no wrong.

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Biased or not, was Musk misquoted?

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From Grok:
While Musk hasn't directly admitted that Trump's policies would specifically "crash" the economy, his commentary on economic policy implications, when viewed in the context of his support for Trump, suggests he believes there could be significant economic turbulence resulting from the policies Trump has proposed. This interpretation leans on Musk's general statements about economic policy rather than a direct quote explicitly linking Trump's policies to an economic crash.
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The impression I got was that there would likely be some economic turbulence SHORT TERM, but the policies would improve America in the long haul. A post from Musk himself: "I have not asked for, nor has DJT offered, anything whatsoever.

"However, we are both in agreement that strangulation of America by overregulation needs to be stopped.

"This will unleash a new era of prosperity."
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How much of what Trump has promised he will eventually implement is, of course, dependent on a number of factors, Congress not being the least of them. How much of what Harris is promising that will actually be implemented is anyone's guess. She's now promising to secure the border. Meanwhile, when asked if there was anything she would have done differently from Biden, "Nothing springs to mind," she said. So with Harris we get four more years of the same economic malaise, and possibly a way out of the mess they've led us into with Trump.

If you've done well under the Carter-like Biden/Harris administration, perhaps you can give us pointers as to how you've managed to make your grocery dollar stretch farther? I always ask, and yet I never get an answer to that.

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Explain how slashing federal programs like social security and Medicare/medicaid is going to help people afford food?

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Rick Scott suggested cutting Social Security. If that's part of cuts to federal programs to illegals to get them to self-deport, I'm all for it. If he wants to cut it to the hard-working Americans who've paid into it all their lives expecting help in their golden years, I most sincerely hope he's voted out of office in a landslide. Same goes for illegals getting Medicare/Medicaid. We don't owe food to the thronging hordes yearning to get free stuff.

So how do you stretch your grocery dollars now that inflation at the stores is giving the common man and woman sticker shock? My guess is I'll hear crickets like I always have whenever I ask that question of you folk.

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Nice dodging the question. Explain how gutting vital social programs is going to help common Americans afford groceries?

Also if you’re not culinarily illiterate, you can buy simple foods like rice, potatoes, and beans to eat cheaply but healthily. You can buy whole cuts of meat at Costco or the butchers for a steep discount. Most people like you who struggle to pay for necessities have no financial sense and waste their money on useless frivolities. Also there’s such things as cash-back cards for groceries, gas etc.

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No one who tries to cut prices buys their "whole cuts of meat" at Costco, where a chicken can cost twice what it does at, say, Winco. Looking for meats on sale at Safeway is a great idea. Their loss leaders can be fantastic. Walk in, buy that, and that alone, and walk out. They're going to try to get you to buy something else, but do the rest of your shopping at a much cheaper outlet like Winco.

Actually, eating less meat is a better way of cutting food costs, speaking of being culinarily illiterate. Look into the impoverished cuisines of the world to find how they feed families at low cost. That actually tells you how buying those "simple foods" can translate into tasty meals. Herbs and spices in bulk at Winco will help, too.

And your home cost-reduction plan is to stop buying snacks and fast foods? Wow. Deep. The people who are struggling to choose between food, insurance, gas, heating, and rental/mortgage payments have likely stopped getting the chicken McNuggets a long time ago. Fast food is Campbell's chicken noodle or bean with bacon soup. Better still, make your chicken noodle from a Costco roasted chicken. You can make about four meals off that one chicken if you're frugal. Between 6-8 if you're extremely frugal. Then the carcass goes in the crockpot to make the stock and the meat for that chicken noodle soup or Juk. When my husband was in the hospital there at the end, he kept ordering chicken noodle soup hoping it would be like mine. It wasn't.

My point was that I would cut the demand on social programs, freeing up more money to help legal Americans. Also, the higher the spending by the government, the higher the inflation, which makes affording things like groceries more difficult. If we can lower government spending, we can help get inflation under control.

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Okay so you’re admitting you can easily stretch your dollar to eat cheaply and healthily, okay.

Now answer how you plain to cut social programs without affecting millions upon millions of “legal” americans(disregarding the fact that illegal immigrants are basically essential to our economy at this point)

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No, I'm saying Costco's meat is much higher in price than even Safeway's when it's on sale. But you seem to think it's a bargain. You must have a really nice job and don't have to worry about this economy. Or even check the price of meat. Either that, or Mummy and Dada are keeping you up.

Golly. Whatever did we do before we opened the back door to the country? No, illegals are not "essential" to this country's economy. They can come in on Green Cards. That's legal. Maybe we can just make us all get ID cards, and we can have to prove we're here legally. Oh, boo! That's so mean! I have to prove I got into Costco legally. How dare they assume I didn't? Because they have RULES. Let's pretend our country has RULES called LAWS.

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^ idiot confirmed. You can get good cuts of meat for cheaper prices. It’s called google.

Yes, immigrants are essential to the economy. Your fat ass isn’t going to be picking fruit in a 90 degree field buddy

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Locally, no one goes to Costco for meat bargains. And apparently the problem is true elsewhere. I've seen people post pictures of eye-popping prices on Twitter/X from across the country. If I want chicken, for instance, I'd never buy it at Costco.

1. Why do you think kids were let out of school for the summer? Once upon a time it was to pick the crops. Summer vacation is simply a holdover from the old days. I used to pick strawberries during the summer. After that, we'd pick beans. Then cucumbers. I came from a poor part of the area, and kids were expected to help with the family finances. The money they made in the summer paid for the clothes they wore during the school year.

If that sounds hard, my mother's parents were sharecroppers. She couldn't start school until late because she was picking cotton. Broken backs and cut up fingers. We had it easy by comparison -- just broken backs.

2. Even with the kids out there, we'd have some people here on Green Cards. We on the West Coast had real respect for them. They'd follow the crops from California, through Oregon, up to Washington. When the season ran out, they'd go back to their families in Mexico. Green Cards work, and with modern technology, they'd probably be a lot more efficient.

3. If you're so young you don't know this stuff, you shouldn't be arguing it. You just wind up looking...well, like you do now.

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You continue to obfuscate and dodge the question:

Who is going to pick the fruits and vegetables in the fields in 90 degree heat if you ban all illegals?

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I'm not obfuscating or dodging. We could have the kids out on summer vacation, like we used to, plus folks here on Green Cards. Just like we used to.

To make it simpler for you:
Kids
+
Green Card holders
[Green Card holders = legal aliens]

I hope that's plain enough. I can't write it in smaller words or more directly, so it will have to do.

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Green card holders and kids do not want to be picking fruit in 90 degree heat, they’d rather be working inside with air conditioning, sorry bud. Only illegals want to do that job,

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Which illegals are getting social security? A person needs a social security number to obtain these benefits.

So you want Americans to get their benefits cut in the hope that a few illegals might leave the country? Isn't that kind of like cutting off your own nose to spite your face?

How do you stretch your dollar? I eat at home and do not buy prepackaged foods.

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No one's trying to rip off Social Security, so you're right. You couldn't walk in with fake identification, get a Social Security number and rip off the system. And we know people who break into this country are trying to do everything by the book. 😂

The Feds have lost a lot of people in the country and claim they don't know where they are. But if they did an audit on the people who've applied for benefits and drivers licenses in the past four years, they might find the folks who are ripping off the system. A lot of people under Boomer age are whining about paying for the Boomers' Social Security, but they DON'T mind paying for benefits for people who came here illegally? Odd priorities. Especially for people who can't even afford to buy a can of Campbell's soup. It's pre-packaged food, after all.

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You're being evasive. Which illegals are getting social security?

Why do you think the feds are not doing the audit that you suggest?

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I don't think the Feds are remotely interested. As we keep hearing, we need the illegals to pick our crops! But they could come in on Green Cards, if that were the case. They seem to want more from America than work.

Do you want to pay for all the freebies that illegals can get? I'm saying many people younger than Boomers are complaining about paying for Boomers' SS, despite it all being legal. You want to pay for everything the illegals get, even though you can't afford a can of soup?

What are you paying for? Healthcare, nutrition programs (WIC), education, housing, state and local benefits, emergency relief. People that whine and moan about what Boomers are costing them don't seem to even think about what illegals are costing them. Now you're going to act like if I can't tell you how many are getting the aid, it's not happening. They're eligible for it, and between one to two million illegals cross into this country every year. How many are availing themselves? I couldn't find a number, and I doubt if the government has a hard and fast number, either.

You'll say that's evasive. But you can't afford a can of soup, and you're cool with paying the extra millions per year in your state alone for housing and educating illegals? Not to mention the extra teachers and police your local government is going to have to hire, the extra cash you're going to have to shell out for insurance and rent; how squeezed the housing market is going to be with all those extra people. And there's you, unable to even afford a can of soup.

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You're just being evasive. Everything else you say is just smoke.

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Called it. When you don't like answers you just call it "being evasive." 😂

If you got confused when I said that people younger than Boomers are whining that they have to pay for their SS and assumed that meant all illegals are getting SS or SSI -- I'm sure some are gaming the system; you can't prove they're not, and if you don't prove they're not I'll say you're "being evasive" -- I didn't mean they were all getting SS or SSI. Some are taking the jobs of people who are here legally. They're big in the construction industries. We had a friend who had to leave his construction job because the illegals would do his job for less. Not that the contractor charged the owners any less. They just were able to make more money since they could pay the illegals dirt cheap wages. But we do want the rich to get richer, don't we?

Some union workers were picketing outside where a Walmart was going up. They had illegals doing the roof on the place -- and other things, too, no doubt -- because they could pay them peanuts. The construction workers had families to feed and were all American citizens, but they were out of luck. That Walmart charges some of the highest prices in the area for food. But we're all for the rich getting richer, aren't we?

I did give you the list of things illegals are eligible for, and repeated that you can't even afford a can of soup -- you avoid pre-packaged food -- and yet you have no problem that your taxes are going up to pay for all of those extra people, citizens being thrown out of work for all those people, housing prices to go up because of all those people, etc.

You couldn't answer a single thing I said. You just said I was "being evasive." And you, you poor dear, having to pay high grocery prices, high taxes, and high housing prices to the point you can't even afford a can of soup. And I bet you vote for Kamala and Tampon Tim anyway.

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Are the illegals getting paid to pick the crops or are they claiming social security? Make your mind up.

Can you imagine how much more expensive groceries would be if they weren't picking the crops?

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You're being evasive. I said people younger than Boomers were whining that Boomers got SS, but are happy to pay for all the money spent on illegals. I listed the things the illegals are legally able to get, then I went on to say I was sure that no one was trying to rip off Social Security, since that's never been done in the history of forever, and you'd need a valid SSN for that.

I will take my place on the front porch, whittlin' my stick, and ask you exactly how old you are, sonny? Do you know why there's been summer vacation from grade and high school for as long as you can remember?

Well, let me tell you about the old days, when kids were let out from school on summer vacation to pick the crops. They got paid, but they got paid for what they picked -- so much per flat of strawberries, etc. Now they've got a lot of mechanical harvesters, so kids wouldn't be asked to pick beans, or most cane berries, corn or such, but they could pick cucumbers.

And, of course, if no one wants their kids to work during the summer -- it would do most of them good -- the folks could do it the old fashioned way, come in on Green Cards (as I keep saying), start in the Southern states and work their way up, following the crops, until fall, when they'd go back to their home countries, just like they used to.

You kids don't know how this country used to be run.

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[–] Destinata (3265) 13 days ago
Well, let me tell you about the old days, when kids were let out from school on summer vacation to pick the crops.

It is rather foolish to repeat the urban legend about crops being the reason for summer break. Most crops were planted in the spring and harvested in the fall, not during summer. But some harvesting does take place in the summer months.

Educate yourself with these links.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/debunking-myth-summer-vacation
https://pickyourown.org/US_crop_harvest_calendars.php

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Maybe you should watch the video on X?

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Which video on Twitter, O, Satanic one?

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Trump is your President!

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Americans will face hardship no matter what.

See hardship belongs to me
I will never give it away or sell it for a fee
I regret to inform you i will never set it free
Everyday i'm reminded of how hard it could be
I take my pain just like a g
Got my struggle of life down to a t
It's nobody's fault but mine if i can't see
So i open my eyes and start looking for the key
Hardship is mine to hold onto
All through to the yellow brick road it goes
My shoulders got the heaviest load but i pack light
And i compensate i got act right when i conversate
See some people relate but they don't understand the words
Some people can climb mountains but can't jump curbs
And vice verse. i know it's such a nice verse
But hardship makes everything worse
And worse is a reminder to stay on the path
But hardship is mine to have
Because hardship keeps me in check
Mainly so i can check myself i give up full respect
Because he's real like a hundred-dollar bill
Without hardship you wouldn't appreciate your meals
Without hardship i wouldn't appreciate my skills
And so i do and so i grew and so i knew
That hardship not only makes most of my days blue
But it teaches me how to struggle in the jungle
And never crumble and how to remain humble
Some people they live life inside a glass case
Some people they live life in the vastness of space
And others will live long at a snail's pace
I live with hardship slapping me in the face

Because hardship belongs to me,
I will never give it away or sell it for a fee
I regret to inform you i will never set it free
Everyday i'm reminded of how hard it could be

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